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Well Fish,
I owned Quartets that I bought new back in the day and owned for 20 years. I own both K-Horns and a LaScala Center now and have owned others as well. I put together 4 KSF-10.5s with an RC-3II for my mother which I upgraded first by selling the RC-3II and moving her up to the RC-7, then I changed out her front KSF 10.5s for RF-7s. So I have personally bought and set up all of these speakers and in my opinion, my quartets sounded the best / clearest & most enjoyable. I am sure some of this was from the Nachamichi Stasis I had powering them. I have a brother in law who built a listening room 24' by 32' on 1.5 times the golden mean cube, that owns a Klipschorn settup, but also owns VOTs and Studio Monitor 19s. Unfortunately, I have also experienced tubes and what they can do for a set of perfect VOTs vs; solid stae. I went with the reference for my mom as she has a long wall, but no corners. I sold the quartets to my sister as with 7,200 sq ft, she has plenty of corners. This is beginning to ramble, but I have belonged to AudioReview for a long time and you know as well as I that you can tell who the kid is who thinks his must be best, and who knows what they are talking about, or is it just coincidence that my Stax Labda signatures are the highest rated headphones followed second by one set of high end Stenheisers, then third by the Grados. In my opinion, the list shows merit, a usable tool, although not the final word. I don't see how anybody could buy an entire RF settup for $1200 that wouldn't burn your hands though.
Roger
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Fish, and BigDaddy take note;
Check out the site I listed. Join up yourselves as it is free!!
Forte is rated 4.93 out of a possible 5 stars from 85 ratings from owners of these speakers.
RF-7 is rated 4.86 out of 5 possible stars out of 71 ratings from owners of these speakers.
La Scala is rated 4.72 out of a possible 5 stars from 57 owners.
Klipschorn is rated 4.66 out of a possible 5 stars from 108 owners.
These are not some like this better and some like that, these are "Trends".
The speakers sound, and value are rated, plus each one has a write up on that speaker by the owner.
This site rates headphones, amps, subs, receivers, interconnects, everything!! I find it a useful guide.
The Chorus, Forte, and Quartet all rate higher by owner satisfaction than all other klipsch speakers, with the Forte in first place, and the Chorus in last place of these three speakers!!
Roger
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wsu99999,
Buy the LaScalas and NEVER, EVER, look back. Of the 3, the Forte' 2 has the best sound and is the most highly rated Klipsch speaker ever made as rated by owners at www.audioreview.com under the reviews section for Speakers, under Klipsch, under "older equipement only" The LaScalas will absolutely ROCK, and although all speakers should have a corner placement, the LaScalas don't have too, where as the Forte 2 really must have corners to enhance the Bass output of their rear facing passive radiator. Most importantly, with surround sound, your Center Channel and Sub Woofer, are by far the two most important speakers, and you should buy the absolute best that you can afford for these two speakers, but until you can afford to spend the money, Adcom made pre-amps you can buy cheap on EBay that you can seperately adjust the outputs to the front (L&R), the (Center), and the (Rear Surrounds). The ADCOM GTP-600 has all these features and can be had on EBay for <$200. For a "seperates AMP, you can get a ADCOM GFA-7000 for <$400. This amp is one of their poorest amps, but still alot better than most receivers, and sounds like it could be in your budget. Further, you can always upgrade the AMP later. The GFA-7000 is 125 Watts RMS X 5 Channels. The RF-7s look pretty nice in the Cherry Finish, and have better wife approval as such, but both of the other speakers are better for sound.
Roger
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May,7th 1964
Hello, Dolly by Louis Armstrong.
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EVGuy,
Another Question; Do you have plans and measurenments for these cabinets that you have built yourself?? Would you please scan and email to me at rgordon@watchtv.net
Thanks!!.... Roger
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EVGuy,
I really like the look of your home made Corner Horn type enclosure prodject for your Patrician IVs alot better than the stock looking settup. It must be very impressive in person. Do you ever plan on enclosing the backs?? I really like what you have done with them, thanks for sharring!!
Roger
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oldbuckster,
Perhaps you should explain to other people that one of the most common traits of someone with depression, or in the depressed phase of Bi-Polar is extreme, illogical anger. I think most people think of "why me" syndrome or the person who wants to stay in bed all day because of the depression, and don't reallize an obvious sign is swings of extreme outrage or being "pissed off" to an extent that just doesn't make sence. If you know of someone that may be nice one time and stay up all night cleaning or getting work done, and at other times has almost no fuse what so ever, don't just explain it away to yourself that they are probably just tired and under alot of stress, as this person is probably Bi-Polar.
Roger
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Travis,
Lawer mentallity at it's worst, I know as my brother and his wife are both attourneys, but if you read further than the end of your nose, you would realize that it was not "pot calling the kettle black" as you referenced and if you had paid attention I first posted in bold that I felt for Glen in a way you probably are incapable of as I had my favorite uncle beaten to death by a mentally disturbed man who used a tree branch to bludgeon him to death. They didn't find my uncle till the next morning on a trail at a state park and he died hours later in the hospital. He spent about 20 of his last 24 hours alone bleeding, beaten, and cold. Further, I first posted how sorry I felt for Glen in bold, but "Iwillwalk" never even aknowledged the loss that Glen was expressing. Further still, you first attack my view, then post to Glen. I wasn't talking about preventative maintinance, but punishment after the fact, so go bury your nose in your books for precidence as I have more personal experience with the aftermath of these disturbed people as well as proffesional expierience in the clinical setting. There is no clause in the constitution to protect the right to murder, and our much wiser forfathers who wrote that piece of paper you are touting, would not have hesitated in putting the mentally disturbed murderer down, so what makes you think that YOU are wiser than the framers of that piece of paper??
Roger
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EVGuy,
Sounds like you could have used those 700s for your front left and right channels and your Georgians for rear surrounds. How do you like the EV 18W-K VS: the EV 15W-Ks??
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EVGuy,
Thanks for the corrections. I felt that someone who was cosiddering building a set, that did not know of the plans existance, probably would not realize the financial undertaking involved here. I bought one EV 15W-K and tried it back and forth with my center channel LaScala, and it went lower and louder even after the stock LaScala woofer was audibly kliping, so I started aquiring the other EV 15W-Ks and swapping them all out and putting the EVs in my speakers, although there are a couple of very highly regaurded members here that tell me the K 33-E is a better driver, my eyes and ears tell me otherwise. I think the EV 15W-Ks are a bargain. I would eventually like to find a very cosmetically rough corner horn as well, and try to install an EV 18W-K to see how I like that, but I am presently fidling with my mid drivers to see what I like best, and plan on buying a T-350 tweet and seeing how I like that. I even went so far as to buy an EV 15 SRO to cut up (as they are cheap) to take the magnet structure apart to see about replacing the Alnico with Neodynium magnets to make them even more efficient to see how I would like that, but after talking with a couple of manufactuerers, found that nobody that can make a custom Neodynium, can make larger than 6.5 inches in diameter at this time. The search for the holy grail continues!! I was planning on contacting the seller of those patrician 700s and driving up to hear them as I am in Ohio. What a beutiful find!! I just felt I had to share it on the forum with those that could truely appreciate what these babies are........
Roger
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duder1982,
The plans for these could be gotten straight from Electro Voice back in the 1950s' and 60s' as they sold the driver sets to the public for the do it yourselfer that could not afford these things. These plans can still be bought almost every week on EBay under Electro Voice, but make no mistakes here, these speakers were far more expensive and elitist than Corner Horns even when they were new. To give you, and others an idea of what you are looking at, Paul Wilbur Klipsch used to buy Electro Voice EV 15W-Ks from Electro Voice for the Corner Horns back in the 50s'. (The "K" in the discription for the EV 15W-K and the EV 18W-K denotes "Klipsch" and means they have a 4 Ohm voice coil for horn loaded placement,) Electro Voice made 3 different models of the EV 15-WK, this is not the EV 15W!!. The 1960s 15W-K has ceramic magnets and the magnet structure looks like the one on the Electro Voice 30" EV 30W Woofer in these patricians. These ceramic magnet EV 15W-Ks only bring a little over $100 a driver on Ebay. The two earlier Alnico Magnet EV 15W-Ks are considdered by many to be the best woofer ever put in a Corner Horn. The oldest style bring about $300 plus a driver in very nice condition, but almost never come up for sale. The middle production EV 15W-Ks are what I put in my Corner Horns and LaScala Center Channel and bring about $250 a driver.
Electro Voice built 3 different Patrician models. They built the Patrician 700 shown in the above auction and they built an even larger Patrician 800 that was alot wider for flat wall placement instead of corner loading. The 800s' also had the 30" EV 30W woofer and weighed 350 lbs. each. Back in the day most of these systems were mono single speaker settups, so a matched set of the 700s or 800s in this condition could expect to fetch $20,000 to $25,000 for the pair, and would probably go to the Asian market. Can you immagine the shipping??
Duder1982,
If you are seriously considdering building your own, the cross overs are fairly inexpensive, but you can expect $500 or more each for those L Pads in fair shape, if you can find them one at a time. The EV 25 mid range horns are cheap and can be had in very nice shape for under $200 each, the EV SP-12 full range mid woofers can be had in excellent shape for $100 to $150 a piece or mint for under $250 each. Now the EV T350 chrome tweeters that go up to 22,000 Hz are rare in the chrome and will fetch $1,000 for a pair up to $1250 a pair for mint. The EV 30W woofers can be bought in real nice used condition for $3,000 for a pair, so you are talking arround $6,000 for the guts before you buy your wood and Veneer to try to build your own set as well. You could probably buy all the parts for a pair within a year on ebay if you are willing to be the high bidder when it comes up, except for the L-Pads. I have only seen one come up by itself for sale in the last year and 1/2. I saw a single Patrician that was beeing scrapped for parts, that some idiot that didn't know what he had, parked out in his back yard in the mud for 1.5 years under a plastic tarp and that is where the L-Pad and other parts that were for sale were comming from.
The third Patrician is the Patrician 400 which used a 4 ohm EV-18W-K 18" woofer.
The model below the Patrician 400 is a corner loaded Georgian that also used the EV 18W-K woofer. These EV 18W-Ks bring $1000 each and almost never come up for sale. Paul Wilbur Klipsch helped design the Georgian and other Electro Voice corner loaded speakers. The EV 18W-K was sold and could be had with plans to open up the throat of your Corner Horns for instalatin of the 18" woofer.
The Georgians are considdered a step up from Corner Horns and a nice unmatched pair can fetch $5,000 a pair, so this gives an idea of where the big Patricians fit into the scale of things. I know of a guy that has one of about only 7 sets of Klipsch MCM-1900s that were produced for home use and have a lovely fininished Birch Plywood construction like LaScalas. He also owns Corner Horns, and the only speakers he owns that he likes better than his Klipsch MCMs is his Patricians. These are "DREAM GEAR", and that is why I posted them for everyone to enjoy.
So duder1982, Do you still want to try to build a set????
Roger
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Glen,
The main focus is that this was someone of importance to you, and your family....For your loss I am very sorry. 35 years ago, niehgbors like this were the norm, not the exception in this country. Now days everyone peeks out their window and talks about one another..... It is impossible to replace these people in your families lives. Again, sorry this happened to good people.
Iwillwalk,
What an ignorant comment, both from your own political aggenda, and the unfeeling nature for someone who posted that they were obviously hurting over this.
If a dog or a wild animal had killed these people, we as a society would put the animal down in a heartbeat without question. Man has the abillity of forthought, so is even more guilty of the consequences of his actions, but there are those who would rehabilitate the man and blame the weapon. I see mentally disturbed patients in the clinical setting on a routine basis. They have disfunctional minds that cannot be fixed, only treated. It is their individual problem, yet the rest of us pay the price in both monies for treatment and dealing with them in public sittuations when they have an episode. When they step across the line and commit homicide they should be put down just as an animal, as they are aware of their actions. This is evidenced by the lack of similar occurances in countries where they would not have a "fair trial".
Roger
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Your RC-62 is rated at 98dB sensitivity, and should be a good match for your RF-35s that have the same sensitivity. I go to www.AudioReview.com to check reviews from owners on Audio often. The I was interested in a pair of RF-5s a while back as a match for the system I put together for my parents, but at 99 dB sensitivity, you aren't gaining a whole lot to upgrade to the RF-5s, and the reviews are mediocre for Klipsch products at best. The RF-7s have much better ranking amoungst owner than the 5s, but at 102 dB sensitivity, they are alot louder than your other speakers and you would have to dial them back for propper surround sound, but they would be a much better choice for when you wanted to listen in 2 channel to music. To give you a better understanding, it takes twice as much power to increase a speakers output by 3 dB, so it would take more than twice as much power for your RF-35s to sound as loud as the RF-7s. Since your speakers put out 98 dB at 1 watt, they would put out 101 dB at 2 watts and 104 dB at 4 watts, and 107 dB at 8 watts. In essence, if your speaker had not already reached their peak output well before your systems wattage ran out, your RF-35s would not make as much sound at 200 watts per channel as the RF-7s will at less than 100 watts per channel. At 2 watts your speakers make less sound than the 7s do at 1 watt. For a further comparison, your RF-35s take 4 watts to make the same volume my corner horns do at 1 watt.
It is your descission, your money, if you like to crank it in stereo, I say pass up the 5s and opt for the 7s.
If you listen to more surround sound/movies, and you want a better sounding speaker, more then just a louder speaker, if that is more important to you then your speakers matching cosmetically, I would advise you to go Heritage and buy a set of Forte IIs. The Forte IIs are rated at 99 dB sensitivity, so the same as the RF-5s, or a little more than your RF-35s, BUT, the Forte and Forte IIs are the highest rated speaker that Klipsch has made for home use in its any of all of their line-ups, including surpassing K-Horns, LaScalas, Belles, CornWalls, and Heresys. If the sound is more important than the volume, I suggest going for a set of these, but you will need corner placement to optimise you Bass, an a little room to pull them out from the corners for the passive radiators to optimise their Bass output.
Hope this gives you some food for thought before spending your money. Let us know how it all works out for you...Roger
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Good Luck. I used a set in a bedroom settup in my kids room. I notice the speaker wire more than the bases, but I didn't have any odd mounting surfaces to deal with.
Again, good luck to you....Roger
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Why can't you just flip the stad arround backwards and mount to the wall??
Roger
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I can't believe that nobody hear on a Klipsch Forum, directed this guy to PWKs paper on the Golden Mean Cube in the Dope from Hope...
I believe it is 16' by 20' with 10 foot ceiling or near there off of the top of my head. That is for a two channel system. My brother-in-law built this at one and a half scale Aprox for three speakers across the front with a room of 24' by 32'. I wired it all for him and we built a false wall across the front that can be accessed behind the big screen as it is mounted flush to the wall and can be pulled forward. His two subs and all of his equipement are either flush mounted or slightly recessed. I wired this behind space with lighting, plenty of recepticles for equipement, with sepperate 30 amp circuits for subs and amps. It is extremely nice to be able to get behind the equipement for any inter connect changes you may wish to make from time to time, with plenty of room to mount cables neatly to avoid RF interfierence from other sources. It amazes me to no end to see mega bucks spent on equipement with crap in considderation for accoustics.
Roger
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Budman,
What brand and model of amp are you looking at. If you need knowledge on the transformer, there may be better alterntives in this price range and power output that many could steer you to here. There are many amplifiers that don't sound well with Klipsch speakers, and others that will open your eyes and make you say WOW. So how about some info on the particular amp you are looking at, and what are the speakers that you want to drive??
Roger
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Save for the SVS Ultra.
Roger
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As far as Heritage looking ugly, no Heritage speaker I can think of looks as ugly as the lower vynl covered references. Yes, I like the cherry, but you can put any veneer on any series and come up with better than what was offered as standard fair. As far as rocking loud, 6 RF-7s wont begin to touch the volume of those two in my avitar.
Roger