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Hi, Budget under 2k used. Have sub but would like to avoid using it if amp will pull bottom from RF7 Thanks, Nic

James, Its way too wide to get the whole back of the room so I went with something artistic. Nic

Its two RF7s some inexpensive subs, turntable, and cd player, with a Denon 4306 in a 20'X20'X11'6" room. It sounds wonderful.

Hey CB, I was just wondering how you enjoyed the SACDs? I hope they worked out for you and that they were all in good playable shape. Nic

All, I can't really blame Denon Tech Services for my little adventure as it was me who was convinced that I had the set up of the year. Also, what is the advantage of using another outboard amp...just plenty of wattage? Anyway, I'm glad I started a stereo system with my RF7s and the answer for me was simply subwoofers. It made all the difference in the world. Right now all I have inputting is a turntable and a bunch of vintage vinyl from the 70s that belong to my wife and will make it easier for us to enjoy this hobby. I'm noticing this is definitely a mans world...so far I've only seen Amy who's paid to do it and another Lady, Thanks again guys and any answers are appreciated.

Gentleman, I got a mild improvement. Certainly not what I was convinced of...an amazing power increase. There you have it...live and learn and save yourself the trouble by paying attention to those who know more than you do. Thanks, Nic

Russ, Denon Technical Services are sure that biamping is going to make a remarkable difference because it will double the wattage to my RF7s. I have to agree that, at least in theory, it makes sense. After all, I have nothing to lose except for my time and effort. So I'm going to give it a try. I'll let every one know if its a failure as you predict or a major improvement as I hope. Thank you for your very well intetioned and kindly worded suggestions. Nic

Russ, I was planning on running a strictly stereo set up...just two RF7s that would be biamped with the back surround and fronts. I was excited because I was under the impression that they would eat up the wattage like high octane fuel. It made sense to me at the time but people who know more than I are saying no way. Thanks, Nic

Thanks Gentleman for enlightening me. Nic

Hi, Also using Pro-ject III TT and maybe an older JVC CD player. I'm going to bi Amp the rear surround channel to the woofers and the front channel to the horns. This is what Denon told me to do. Sound like a plan? Thanks, Nic PS The room is 20X20 No sub. What would be the appx distance between the RF7s?

Hi Again TigerwoodKhorns, I'm not sure what to do at this point. One thing I know for sure...I hate to spend money, even when necessary. )) Shake777

Thanks Lee, They look like good connectors and I appreciate your taking the time to let me know about them. Nic

Hi TigerwoodKhorns, Thanks for taking the time. Shake777

Thanks for all the good ideas. Good listening. Shake777

Hi davidness, I bought some bananna plugs from monoprice and they got loose very quickly. Can you or anyone recommend some that work well but won't break the bank? Thanks, Shake777

tkdamerica, You can pull up Home Theater Magazine and chose Equipment Reviews from the top menu then Receivers from under the Buyers Guide menu on the left and look for the 4310 in the midrange section. Shake777

Johnny Do, Thanks for the compliment to my system. I chose the RF82 because the RF7 is such a great speaker and I wanted something that would do justice to them in the wide position. I found the 82s at the right price.I t seemed natural for me to place my speakers as I did when I got my 4810 since Audyssey says the wide position is most important besides the fronts. I wanted to be sure I had plenty of sound, and in particular, did not lose any bass. With respect to your question I don't think I would put RF7s in the wide positon. To be honest it would be an unorthodox choice that almost no one would make. The wide positon is something akin to a surround channel so it probably does not require a rather large floorstanding speaker like I installed. It simply works for me and my particular tastes. I dont think my system is necessarily the perfect system to be copied. Additionally, there are many more experienced people on the forum than myself and I would continue to inquire before making a final decision. Shake777

You may be right, I was thinking about the HT magazine review of the AVR4310 which is rated at 130 watts and their bench test reveals 155.4 watts in stereo with .01% distortion and 179.3 watts at 1% distortion. I think the 4810 is putting out plenty of power and its not going to be an issue for someone running the set of Klipsch speakers that I have. I know that from experience. Klipsch are very efficient speakers. However, I probably should not make a statement like that without the numbers to back it up.

Hi Johnny Do, First I think that the amp has plenty of power, both as a whole and also with respect to the height/wide channels to everything else. I think the 140 watts per channel advertised is absolutely in the realm of accuracy. I can't imagine any circumstances when I would have to turn the volume all the way up. Someone occaisionally prints something like (I think in this thread "I don't comment on any equipment I haven't heard" (not exact quote). I think that's good advice therefore I can't say anything about your speakers. All I can do is reinterate the fact that I think my speakers are a good match for the application. I have some RB25s that I put up in place of the RB81s at the height channel and I most certainly found the 81s to have a fuller, deeper, more robust sound. My only recommendation would be to examine what you might want very thoroughly and get what you think is best, even if it means making your purchases little by little. You can always sell off your old speakers. I found this to be an effective money saving method that gets me what I really want. Shake777

One month ago I reconfigured my HT using a Denon 4810 and Klipsch speakers. I'm using RF7 fronts, RF82 wides, RB81heights, RB35 surrounds, RC64 Center, and an RT12d Subwoofer. I began thinking about this system as soon as the AVR4810 from Denon was hinted at and I believe that these Klipsch are a fine set of speakers to make the everything work. I feel like I have significant improvement with both music and HT and I believe I can safely say this is an upgrade. For music the soundstage is wider and I think the instruments are more obviously placed on the soundstage. After all it would be almost impossible for the soundstage not to be wider and I think the RF82 is a fine speaker for the wide position. With HT while watching Saving Private Ryan for example, the opening battle scene has awesome realism and, although the thread didn't specifically ask about the height channel, I have to be specific when I'm giving information to avoid misleading the reader; The overall effect with the height and wide channels is terribly real. I have similar positive comments regarding the Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ although no request about these was made either. I feel I would be remiss not to give them a mention because they come with the AVR. I have read numerous reviews including the ones that are inluded as links within this thread. Some made negative comments and I must admit some of the observations are not entirely without merit. Taking these into consideration and including the added expense of setting this system up, I would certainly choose this system again if I had to start over. I think this is especially true if you have a larger space to fill with sound in your HT. In sum I think the two most important aspects of my system is that it is larger and it is more detailed.

Hope you enjoy this height perspective of my HT.

I decided to keep the crossovers as you suggested because of you are a more experienced listener. It certainly doesn't sound worse. I wish I had better ears but there are things that I believe make a difference that I can't hear. You did me a real favor by bringing up the net. Finally, after several tries since the initial installation and having given up until I could get some help, something clicked today and I understood how to get my wireless connection up. However, I'm waiting to hear from my computer guy to learn what encryption method he used for the pass code before I can complete the installation. Hard wiring is essentially impossible because the router is on the other side of the house from the HT. I'm looking forward to getting the updates and using the IR. I think both the Dynamic EQ and especially Dynamic Volume are great. Now the sound quality doesn't detiorate at lower volumes and I don't have to be bombarded by loud commercials and movies with dynamic ranges that are rediculously large for my needs at home. Right now its the lack of space for a big screen and projector thats keeping me from the 3800. I am very much looking forward to closing on our home in order to move into the new HT that is big enough to warrant a six foot screen. Then there's the issue of getting the Boss's approval. Right now I can't justify it with a 42'. Hope you continue to enjoy at least as much as I am.

Hey tk damerica, I decided to give your advice a try and now I'm listening to some holiday choral music and enjoying the richness of sound. I guess I'll have to wait till I hear some rock n roll because that's where my ear is most likely to pick up the nuances. I have an RT12d with room correction which seems to give a very smooth transition and blend with the rest of my speakers already so I'm hoping your new adjustments will make it even better. I understand very well about enjoying your system so much that it sometimes squeezes other things out. It certainly is one of the great joys of my life. Thanks for sharing your interest and knowledge with me. Shake777

Hi Mopar Bob, Thanks for writing. My 4810 replaces a 4306 so I didn't have to learn a completely different system and I believe that the 4810 is the best AVR at my price point ($2300.00 in store from J&R Electronics). I always run 6 positons because my room is tight and we have seating for two. Audyssey has set my front, center, and wide channels to 'full band" and the hieght channel to 80hz so I'm thinking I'm covered unless you give me reason to think otherwise, I would like, someday to have Heritage speakers but that is a long way off since I just finished collecting the system that I have. I'm very happy with this system and each set of speakers seems to be a good match for the channel they are applied to. Unfortunately, I don't have space for a turntable even though my wife has a nice collection of vinyl. The point being that I can only guess that the 4810 has a decent phono section, once again, unless someone makes me think otherwise. You really lit a fire in my belly with the DVD3800 as I looked at it briefly after reading your comments and it looks like a great upgrade over the BD35, especially with the new Denon link and the subsequent compatibility with other Denon products. I think I'll wait though because I don't think my 42" monitor is going to make a wothwhile companion. When we get our new 100+" screen, that will be the time to make the change. I'm still learning about my AVR and I think what is very good can only get better as I become more experienced using it. Thanks again for writing. I always enjoy hearing and learning form someone with similar aspects of our systems. Shake777