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But they were owned by Klipsch at the time according to the address on the instructions? http://www.aragonav.com/storage/PalladiumManual.pdf

I didn't make the connection until I googled Aragon Palladium and found this: http://www.aragonav.com/palladium-1k-klipsch The amp is also named Palladium. -coincidence, I don't think so?!?

I'm not lacking space, but I definitely need to get rid of more of my stuff if I'm going to move in a few years.

I vote for the towers too. However, that's a big room for such small speakers. Sounds like it's a family room and your limited based on appearance?

These would be gone if you listed them on AVS, here and craigslist. However, you'd have to list and price them separately, and may want to consider shipping the RC-64 and RS-62's. This worked for me anyways, and I live in a lot less populated area. Definitely nice speakers!

Make me an offer

Sorry I meant to reply to your PM yesterday, but forgot... Anyways, think it over and give me a call!

I think the waterfall plot looks dead because I should have used a 45dB range of data like GIK suggested. The plot should have all frequencies decay evenly, around 150-200 ms. I picked the locations to eliminate first reflections. No other reason beyond that. I can now easily hear the room that music was recorded in, where before it took some concentration to hear it. 95% or more of my music is not recorded in a dead/dry room. In nearly all studio recordings I have, you can hear that the room is not dead/dry. Same goes for movies too. Whether this is artificial reverb shouldn't matter as you are hearing what the audio engineer intended by not adding additional echo. After all, how many engineers use headphones to do their mastering? I admit I'm not an expert on the subject either -so that makes two of us! I don't see anything wrong at all with what you're doing if you like a little added echo. It is 100% personal preference. I'm just trying to get as close to possible to what was intended by the mastering engineer and movie director. Hopefully I'm not sacrificing imaging, but my system really images well in its current configuration.

All the reference stuff is sold now. I'm not sure why know one wants the La Scala II's as they are much better sounding than the reference line I sold 7 of?!? Anyways, if someone wants them, I need a firm offer this weekend, else these are going on Audiogon soon (at a higher price). I'm totally fine if someone I've dealt with in the past wants to make a deposit and pick these up later next this month due to space issues.

Thanks! Price is negotiable for locals near Columbia, SC

It is interesting that is uses Audyssey. Is there a difference between it and the MultiEQ XT32 chip inside my preamp? I'm using a Marantz AV8801 with the Audyssey pro kit.

The recording should already have the cymbals dancing off the ceiling (if it was recorded in a live room), so what's the point of having my room compound this? Are we not trying to reproduce what the audio engineer heard? Some engineers use headphones any ways, so you can bet the material already sounds the way it should. More clarity and better imaging is what I like about room treatments. I really don't see that as a bad thing. I also don't think my room is too dead, and I honestly think it sounds great.

What type of room treatments are you using? If it's a space where you can add some, you'll be amazed at the upgrade in sound. I covered 20% of my room, and I'm amazed by the improvement. If imaging and clarity are what you're looking for, give it a try. ATS Acoustics takes returns on some stuff, and so do other sites.

These were used as rear speakers in my home theater, so they saw very little use as most discs are only 5.1 and not 7.1. They look new and include the boxes, manuals and speaker spikes. The price is for the pair. I'm the original owner of these and still have the boxes. They were A-stock (not refurbished or B-stock), and were purchased from an authorized dealer. These can also be hooked up so you can hear them. Local pickup only. Also selling some La Scala II's, so please check or bump my other ad too! FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 33Hz-23kHz +/-3dB SENSITIVITY: 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m POWER HANDLING: 150W RMS / 600W Peak NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms compatible LOW FREQUENCY DRIVERS: Dual 8" (20.3cm) Cerametallic cone woofers HIGH FREQUENCY CROSSOVER: 2000Hz ENCLOSURE TYPE: Bass-reflex via dual rear-firing ports HEIGHT: 43.6" (110.7cm) (w/feet) WIDTH: 9.5" (24.1cm) DEPTH: 16.25" (41.3cm) WEIGHT: 66lbs (30kg) FINISH: Black Ash woodgrain vinyl BUILT FROM: 2006 BUILT UNTIL: 2010

Thanks everyone. I called GIK acoustics and spoke with their acoustic engineer/part owner Bryan. He pretty much stated what ChrisA and artto stated. I provided him a new REW file (with FL, FR and sub), and since the left and right channels don't have the 1xx hz and 3xx hz issues (visible with no smoothing) in the same place, he stated they weren't room modes. He said not to worry about them as they are only a few hz wide, but that it's likely due to the hollow core door (closet or entry) letting energy through them, and that a monster trap on the back door might fix some of it. He said that since the room was L shaped that the diagonal response is different for the left and right channel, and this is why the frequency dips are slightly different for each. However, he said due to the frequencies of musical notes, those frequencies would not make a difference to listening. He did recommend 2-4 soffit traps be placed in the room and stated they are their best absorbers and good down to ~35 Hz! He also said to ensure 40dB of data was visible on the waterfall plots (something I was doing wrong). When we did that, we noted some frequencies that decayed longer than 300 ms. He did say my response plot was very good, and that it was actually surprisingly good. In fact, he even said any studio would kill to have my response! I guess dual subs and Audyssey subEQ HT are really worth it after all. Overall, he said my room looked good as is, but if I want to improve things bass traps will do that. He also stated another useful fact: RT60 plots are typically only used for large rooms. It would appear for small rooms acousticians use waterfall plots. Another thing I learned was to use y-cables when plotting response to get a plot with all channels driven. He said this will show if there's any cancellation between the left and right speakers. Something that's apparently common. Too bad REW doesn't let you do that over an HDMI connection. I know these soffit traps will improve the decay times, but I'm satisfied with the sound I have now. Bryan probably wasn't a good sales person, but was very honest. He never said I'd hear a drastic difference, and even stated that 2, no more than 4, soffit traps is all he would put in my room. I'm going to think about ordering a couple.

As a proud (and cramped) owner of 15 Klipsch speakers plus two Klipsch subs, I understand your space problem!

My wife just wants the space back. Someone buy these things!

Looking forward to it. 400 lbs on that shelf? No kidding you had to add a header! Pics look great by the way. I'm convinced that a center channel's mid-range should be inline with the main speakers for the best possible image.

Yep. I also made the stands more acoustically inert with 150 lbs of lead shot. The feet on the P17b's base unscrew. You just make a transition plate, then go to the hardware and find the proper screw length to go through your transition plate. Then you screw your transition plate to whatever stand, then screw through the transition plate into where the feet were mounted on the P17b. The lead shot matters to me, may or may not to you. I know when I clapped my hands near the metal stands before, I could hear a slight ping. With the lead, they are very inert and very stable.

I'll give it a try, thanks! The only bad side to it I see is I could no longer bit stream DTS and Dolby formats. I'd have to let my PC do all decoding. This would mean I would never use the Neo X and PLIIx modes on my preamp. EDIT: dang, the full version of the software is $732?!?

There's no easy way for me to try it without changing my preamp out right?

Class A. It's made in the US too. I wasn't going to trust the Chinese stuff.

Chris and others, Do you think I should run the subs in sealed mode (in green)? This appears to gain me a lot at 10 hz due to room gain. I'm losing some max spl, but I'll never play things at 110dB.

Thanks Chris. If I go with GIK Acoustics (they are the closest to me), it looks like soffit traps would be best as far as absorption. The corner trap doesn't appear to be as nearly effective. Too bad the things are $229 each! Now I remember why I ordered cheap foam. Any good plans for building standalone soffit traps that would have similar performance to those linked below? My plan is to mount the soffit traps in the front corners (44" high), along the back ceiling and back right corner opposite the door. I'm thinking I'd order or build 5 soffit traps in total. I plan to return the ATS Acoustics foam traps. http://www.gikacoustics.com/product/gik-acoustics-soffit-bass-trap/ EDIT: Also, has anyone ordered from GIK Acoustics?

Hi Chris, thanks for your help. So, it sounds like the response below 70 Hz can only be fixed by having a bigger room!?! I've read that large spaces don't have low frequency decay issues... I've also attached the REW file too, but had to zip it first. EDIT: Attached file is of the left P39f, with a crossover of 60 Hz to dual SVS PB13-ultras, using Audyssey Sub EQ HT via a pro kit and AV8801. Feb 27 23_05_09.zip