jwgorman

Got them in, and yes they are very good sounding tweets. Listened for several hours tonight after getting them in. Thanks Bob Crites!

Order placed. I will post after I've installed them and listened to them for a while. Spent about 3 hours spinning vinyl today and I guess I always considered the K77s to be OK but I also always considered them to be one part of my Khorns that I'd need to improve one day. It only too my 18 years

Ha ha, nice. Roger. I've been sitting on the fence with respect to the CT120s for a little while. Think I'll jump. Thanks man.

So Claude, the CT120s are totally plug and play in khorns/lascalas eh?

Well thanks for posting that. It really puts things in perspective. I knew they were big, but HOLY COW.

I will have my son help me lug my rack downstairs and experiment with it. I've noticed the snare in live music too as far as dialing in the FOH. I appreciate the advice.

Apparently I have to move to Texas to hang out with all the cool kids! I guess I want to at least hear a time-aligned khorn setup before I die. This is gonna be just like muscle cars, target pistols and harleys...no end to the maddness!!!! My wife is a saint.

I used AP12-350 + ES5800s, before that Universals. I like them both. Are your KHorns all original? Dave Dave, I just noticed the picture you posted. So I opened it and saw that you restored some older Khorns! Very impressive before/after pics. You've changed the squawker horn and it looks like you have a different tweeter driver/horn in there as well. Very nice. Yes, I bought my Khorns new in '98 and they are mostly original with the exception of replacing the ceramic squawker driver with the alnico version, like the ones you're using and a very slightly modified AK-3 network.

jwgorman I mean no disrespect but based on this paragraph I really don't understand why you even started this thread. If all it was going to take for you not to want to do active was one person saying they went back...??? There are good reasons to go active and good reasons to go passive and the end goals help to determine which is best for the individual. miketn Mike, I simply wondered if anyone had gone down the active path only to return to a passive crossover. And the one guy who responded in the affirmative has nearly 3k posts, so I yes, I give his opinion some weight. Like I said in my original post, I have the gear to do it, but it's pro audio gear and I am by nature a guy who never does anything half-hearted. I could totally see me getting frustrated with the pursuit of curing the Khorns of their bumps and warts rather than just living with them. Before I set off to pursue the holy grail, I thought I'd ask the question. No more/no less. And I mean no disrespect either to those who actively crossover/delay their khorns. I know there is a significant benefit to time alignment as I've experienced it in the pro audio world.

Dave, I see. So ALK has a few flavors of crossovers, which flavor are you using for your khorns?

Thanks Dave, what type passives do you have. Oh, and my sanity thanks you

I apologize for the auto-correcting that made this thread title confused: *crossovers. D'oh

So, I've read some older posts about people going the full monty and actively delaying the squawker and tweet to time align their khorns. I have some pro audio gear, including a dbx drive rack and yamaha pro amps and I could try it, but given my personality, I am afraid I'd go off the deep end with respect to tweeking etc. In the interest of saving my sanity, I thought I might first ask the question if any of you guys went down the path of time aligned khorns and for whatever reason, decided to go back. I have a luxman sq38u that I could power the mids with if I send the preout to the dbx and send the mid output back into the luxman power amp input. The dbx would provide xlrs for the bass and the tweets. So I could fine tune the xover points, I could in theory eq them very precisely and of course dial in appropriate delay. I'm a bit hesitant to go down that rabbit hole for two reasons: I might actually lose sleep and my experiences with sticking digital gizmos in the signal chain in the past have not been positive. The dbx is no audiophile piece of gear, but it works great for pro sound applications. Anyway, if you've already been there, done that and came back to good old inductors and caps and preferred to live with the bumps and warts of time smearing I'd be interested in hearing from you.

So, apologies in advance here, but, how does one add SOLD to this thread?

William, Just sent a PM, disregard the shipping charge, you're in IL. Duh, I'll learn to read one day, don't worry. Joe

Well packing is for sure, where are you, if you're in a state bordering iowa ok, if not we could split it I guess.

I have two K55Ms, taken from my 1998 khorns, sound fine, measure fine. $150 for the pair.

Thanks guys!!! DJK, I'm glad to hear it's not a catastrophic failure. No longer at the Rock, I left 3 years ago and work for Wabtec, it's a railway electronics company in Cedar. What about you, still at the Rock? You know, just the other day I had a random memory of you, me and Jackson at the A.R. playing the Sheffield Drum Record on Khorns at SPLs waaay passed all human reasonableness. Good days...I still have that record BTW.

I took my original K55Ms off this weekend for my Atlas driver swap out experiment and on one I saw this. They still work and sound/measure ok. Any ideas?

Thanks guys. I reread my post and corrected a couple of things. I in fact removed K55Ms and stuck in the atlas drivers. Thanks Frzninvt, that confirms what I was hearing. I'll leave it be for a while, it sounds really good this way!

So my '98 khorns have only hadsuper easy mods done to them, I removed the coil and the cap in parallel with the tweeter when recapping the crossovers (did this to the original xovers back in '98 btw) and I removed the K55ms and stuck in the atlas alnico PD-5VHs, and when I was in there I soldered the leads to the drivers. I was geting some funky imaging and realised one of the tweeter leads was intermittently failing as the wire had come loose from the connector. I soldered those leads up as well. I heat sinked the connection tabs on the drivers before soldering, not sure if that was necessary. Taking out the coil/cap in parallel with the tweet was sort of a subtle thing, not night and day by any means, but I prefer this filter out. The atlas driver to my ear anyway, sounds a lot better than the K55m. The tonal balance seems a lot less mid-centric, if that makes sense. Seems a bit smoother, maybe a db or two down from the K55m? or maybe I just really prefer the tone of the Atlas driver? Anyway, I had the opportunity to spend some quality time with the Luxman SQ38U and spin some vinyl this past weekend. I think it's all good. Khorns rule

Thanks to another forum member for the suggestion. I merely removed the bolts that attach the high horn section to the bass bin, angled them for my seating position and marked where the bolts should be remounted. A quick fix for making my khorns more room friendly. back in the left corner with the new angle

Good info. Thanks for the comments in particular, SunnySal. I could see myself doing that...well, ok, I've done that, just not with khorns....yet. I'm trying to remind myself that I'm starting with damn good set of speaks. So I need some tube gear and more vinyl

Yeah, that's cool. There are a number of things I'd like to experiment with, but they all cost a lot of money Very good plan in my estimation to have the ability to go back to stock.

Anyone know of someone who has gone to great lengths to mod their khorns with different drivers/xovers etc, only to put them back to stock? Just curious. I'm a guitar player and I get mods. But sometimes, after awhile, regret sinks in. I have my stock 98 khorns that I recently recapped and coiled per the AK-3 schematic. Speaking as a guy who's had 3 pairs of maggies, ARs, Vandersteens, Belles and Khorns I get there is no perfect speaker, it all depends on what is most important. I'm still working on getting a luxman sq38 or maybe a triode 300b integrated. But I think these khorns with AK-3s sound pretty darn good even with mac SS stuff running them.