discorules

Mr. Blorry. Give the Sennheiser HD500 Fusions a listen. They list between $90 and $100. That is comparable in price to the Grados in your consideration and might be pleasing to your ears.

Interesting reply Mobile. It sounds like you believe the quality of the components, specifically in Cary's, is directly related to the sound.

Hey Mobile. I truly enjoy reading your post. To say that you love valves is an understatement. As a reference for me, what is your opinion of Cary amps? I am probably most familiar with the sound of these tube amps more than the others out there.

Audry. First off, I would recommend if you can wait, to go for the Klipschorns. I just wish the manufacturing people here would be a little more forthcoming with what's going on with the Flagship speaker that made the company. Anyway as to your question about tube vs SS. The deciding factor for me between the two types is long term reliability. Both, when properly designed and manufactured offer outstanding performance. Tubes however will have to be replaced and probably rebiased. This is an inconvenience that I don't think I can deal with when there are excellent SS amps out there that are typically more reliable.

I remember shopping for speakers last year. While I longed for the Khorns, the wife told me that $2000 was more in our budget. Anyway I went to the fancy shmancy audio dealer to get the Maggies and I told the dealer and (then unknown to me) Martin Logan rep that I wanted a Khorn but had to settle for the Maggies. I also told them that the sound from much of ML's line sounds uneven. In fact they kinda sucked in my ears. These guys got real bent and asked me how could you like the sound of both Khorns and Maggies yet hate ML. For me and my system, 3 criteria are usually top on my list. Transient response, wide smooth frequncy response and low distortion. Those things Khorns and Maggies have in common. The ML sounded distorted in the mid bass and uneven in it's transisition between drivers. Add to that they are expensive. I guess for people who wanna show off, ML will impress less critical listeners because of their looks. For sheer musical realism, nothing beats the khorn. As a nice 2nd best for the price, the Maggies worked for me.

Khorns sound unrefined or PA like huh. Ouch! I have Magnepan 1.6 speakers but only as a second choice to the Khorns. The Maggies sound very good but every time I hear the Khorn, it reminds me what the standard is when it comes to reproducing live music. This doesn't necessarily mean loud. As for tweaks, some people are into that I guess. I never felt they needed any when I heard them. Khorns are not the only speakers though that people have that tweak option. My 1.6s came with 1 ohm resistors from Magnepan to tweak the high frquencies if they were too bright for taste. I never used them.

Let me help you forresthump get with the program. On the subject of the Sony, what do you suggest this poster do? A HK replacement maybe?

Thanks Phil. Hey guys. Perhaps I will see you all over at that forum.

quote: Originally posted by Marvel: I thought it was very telling in January when Bill Clinton told the news media that there would be a slowing of the economy. Not because of anything that Bush or the Republicans were doing, only because he new it wouldn't last. Couldn't we get back to something more fun, like audio, tubes versus transitors, copper wire/silver wire? KHorns/LaScalas/Belles/Cornwalls/Heresies? Next thing you know, we'll start talking about religion. Marvel You're right. I'm done. Back why I love Khorns and HK. I'm halfway there.

It's not spin. I'm just amazed how you guys can dance and rationalize anything to your advantage. When things were looking rosier in January, conservatives told me it was because we had republicans in congress. Now with a recession, they want to call it the Clinton recession. My recollection of recent events are that Greenspan and the fed decided to have the economy slow down, being fearful of inflation. So yes, the economy did begin to slow at the latter quarter of 2000. Difference is it was intentional because there was a fear of inflation. According to the people who call these things, the recession started during Jr's term. I guess what I'm getting at is that while there may have been a recession if Gore were our President, he may have been more procactive in preventing one or minimizing it at least to the extent Clinton would have been. I say that because back around '98, the Asian markets were in a crisis. Some time a year or so prior Mexico was also in financial trouble. The concern here was the adverse ripple effect on the american economy. The Clinton adminstration, despite much conservative criticism decided to sure up their financial markets. For example he loaned Mexico money which they repayed with interest. Things like this help ultimately to keep our economy stable. Conversely, what we got from Jr was 300/600 bucs floated from next years potential tax receipts. This surely had an impact on our deficit which affects the private sector finacial markets.

quote: Originally posted by STL: Originally posted by discorules: Very well. Keep 'em coming. I think you misunderstood me. I was trying to say that I agree with your cease fire, and that I will just agree that we disagree about politics. Now we should get back to audio-speak... You're right. I did misunderstand you and I realized it after I hit the submit reply button.

quote: Originally posted by talktoKeith: If anyone truly does not understand why Clinton lied about the BJ then that person is either an idiot or is in fact himself lying.I personally prefer the orifice that Clinton chose in lieu of the one the Bush's prefer(my a$$). Better get the industrial size jar of KY jell.It's gonna be a long four years(plus <LAG TIME>! Keith I hear ya keith. I wondered about this lag time too. Would this mean that the glorious reagan economy was really the resposibility of Jimmy Carter. As for Clinton's BJ, in all honesty we know that this was all about getting President Clinton anyway they could. They tried the Vince Foster thing, Travelgate, etc. Even Starr was going to give up the witch hunt but the Clinton haters told him to stay. The american people were smart enough to see this was a witch hunt that's why his poll numbers remained relatively high.

quote: Originally posted by STL: Originally posted by discorules: OK! I'll call for a cease fire. Okay, I'll agree to disagree! Very well. Keep 'em coming.

OK. I'll call for a cease fire. Besides, I wanna get some of what DEAM is smokin'.

quote: Originally posted by cybergeek: hilly as pres? don't get no scarier. that Would be enough to bring back the beegees "Stayin Alive". Funny her 1st initiative was to eliminate the electoral college. she knows that with a popular vote she could win New York, lose every other state in the US, and still get elected president. then guess where all the tax dollars would flow - NY. don't even get involved here Disco. this involves math Anyway it's time to forget HillyBilly because the days of fun and games are over. We really have to be serious in choosing a pres now! I thought when you get elected, it was to represent the people, not areas where you only find cactus and tumbleweed. By the way the people were serious when most of them voted for Gore.

quote: Originally posted by edster00: We made it through one Clinton administration...the ***t is really going to hit the fan if the Hildebeast Hillary ever manages to get elected president (it is only a matter of time until she runs). And hopefully wins.

quote: Originally posted by STL: Originally posted by discorules: I have my own sex life. Most of us didn't need to experience it vicariously through President Clinton, the best President in our lifetime. So when a superior has sexual relations with a subordinate that's okay? " So if your 18 year old daugther was banging her 48 year college english professor (to get an A) you wouldn't have any problem with that? Or if she was 20something and blowing her 60 year old boss at some large corporation (to get a promotion) that would perfectly fine with you?" Consensual sex is not an issue for me. I guess unlike you guys, Clinton and I would have a hard time no to free BJ. As far as the promotion thing, you must have just fell off the turnip truck. Newsflash, people suck up literally and figuratively to move up. I only care if it's a detriment to me. "So when someone outright LIES to a grand jury that is okay with you? A lie is a still a lie -- no matter the reason behind it. Clinton could have saved everyone a lot of trouble and money by just fessing up in the first place." Lying to the grand jury about adultery is not right but I've many prosecuters say it's not something they would gone ballistic over. I have lied to so like Clinton, I'm not perfect. Man you really take the cake! I have liberal friends and we get along fine, but you are so utterly brainwashed that you can rationalize anything to be okay as long as it furthers your cause. BTW, cybergeek really has you and your spinmaster tatics pinned." Well, I do love cake. Unlike your liberal friends(?), I don't have suck up to you or put up with any ridiculous allegations about liberals or Clinton. I guess the suck up types are those whom you call friends.

Hey Cybergeek, Explain Lag Time to us average liberal types so that we can all be on the same page.

I have my own sex life. Most of us didn't need to experience it vicariously through President Clinton, the best President in our lifetime.

" quote: Originally posted by forresthump: Well I can now say I in my cold Anti-Liberal heart I really do feel sorry for DiscoDuck. Why? because apparently on his last post he is actually serious and admits this is all sour grapes over all the heat Clinton has gotten (Disco, pssst He's Gone) and Gore (Disco, pssst He's Gone) losing the election after an out of control FLA Supreme Court really got his hopes up. ...What it did was again antagonize the anti-lib crowd just as you planned. I suggest you try therapy instead to work off your bitterness and depression. " Do I have permission to use your therapist. "Now without a big never ending argument, your "facts" can be rebuted quite simply. One fact is the "Space Needle terrorist" was apprehended by an alert US Customs agents at the Black Ball ferry terminal at Port Angeles, WA. US Customs is under the US Department of Treasury, NOT the US Justice Dept and at that time Reno. Just to show that you are absolutely wrong on this fact and that anything else you said should be considered suspect." I guess you rebutted my points. Customs is under Treasury, a Presidential cabinet position not Justice, another Presidential cabinet position. "DO YOU REALLY THINK A DEM WOULD COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF SPENDING CUTS? " No more so than I would think read my lips Bush would raise taxes. "These are the "top secret" facts you were afraid to unleash on this board Face it, YOU LOST the election and your Bitter. Again, keep repeating, YOU LOST. " Again, can I use your therapist. "Disco your beyond hope. You won't find the general level of ignorance here as in your other Forums. Next time you want to make an unrelated ridiculous political statement you better do it elsewhere." No problem fascist. If I even consider such thoughts again I will give you a heads up. This message has been edited by discorules on 11-29-2001 at 03:46 AM

BTW cybergeek, if memory serves me correctly, we were racking up big deficits when President Clinton was elected to office, thus the tax increases. Even Perot wanted to solve the problem by giving us a 50 cent a gallon gas tax. Bush Jr came into a prosperous economy.

Cybergeek. Point one is true and you can check this on the web for yourself.

OK. It seems you guys wanna go there. Forrest initially asked to put some facts on a public forum on what good thing(s) President Clinton did. OK. 1) In the 1993 Economic Plan, Clinton cut taxes for lower income Americans and small businesses while only raising taxes on 1% of the wealthiest tax payers. 2) President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history. This brought down the deficit 3 years in a row. Not even Reagan can claim that. 3) Cut federal spending by over $200 billion over 5 years. 4) Despite the sky is falling arguments from republicans, raised the minimum wage which inevitably raises the level for all American workers. Guess what, the sky didn't fall. The economy continued to flourish and the market continued its upswing. 5) Opened foreign markets through the signing and agreements of NAFTA, GATT, APEC etc. These are just some of the economic policies that benefited Americans during his tenure. The eventual surpluses spent on tax rebates were used by Bush. Prior to 9/11, the talk was how to pay for these tax rebates because we then faced deficits for the first time in many years. Despite all the talk about how the economy would thrive under a republican or that the economy thrived in spite of President Clinton, that argument is now ridiculous. If that were all true we should be experiencing unprecedented economic prosperity. Unless you've been in a cave they officially stated we are now in a recession. The first time in ten years or the last time a Bush was in. In terms of our security here, Clinton/Reno thwarted attempts by terrorist to bomb the tunnels and bridges of New York and millennium plots at the Space Needle. Where was Bush's team. In fact the CIA had warned Bush's FBI people about the possibilities of upcoming terrorism prior to 9/11. The suggestion that Clinton could have done more against Bin Laden is laughable coming from republicans. When he attempted to address the terrorism abroad, every right wing nut came out of their bunkers talking about "wag the dog." These conservatives in congress and in the media were more interested in looking for Bill Clinton's semen up the skirt of every American woman. Needless to say he had no congressional support, however he did attempt to get Bin Laden through missiles and covert operations. As for Florida, the count depended on your point of view. Certainly if all the votes were counted, Gore won Florida. The narrow counts would have given Bush the win there. I will say that despite all of that, the officials in Florida had no intentions of letting Gore take the state anyway. Just in terms of sheer numbers, Gore had more people voting for him than Bush. So clearly most Americans believed Gore to be the better man. Forrest you've made what I considered some pretty asinine assertions like the "liberal press" aiding the cause of the death of a CIA agent. What is that? I didn't know our press had that kinda juice with the Taliban. You then went into this thing about inhumane treatment for those who may be our enemies. Well, I still believe we are a nation of laws. It is just as, if not more important to show moral and ethical might as it is military. If we are to truly show the way to the rest of the world, we cannot sink to depravity. Those men who bomb the WTC were prosecuted and all found guilty and are punished to the fullest extent of the law. This should still be a nation of laws, not secret military tribunals. Several months back, an American faced secret military tribunals in Peru and we argued strongly against it. What would be our position internationally now. As of this writing, Spain has several suspects that they will not turn over because of Bush's secret military tribunal. Yea, I'm whacked out if I favor prosperity over recession, peace over war, freedom over fascism, the rule of law and fairness over expediency and so on. Yes I dare say the emperor has no clothes. If conservatives don't like it, tough. They spent 8 years calling President Clinton everything but a child a god. To hear them whining when their boy gets critiqued pleases me no end. This message has been edited by discorules on 11-28-2001 at 08:58 PM

So DEAM. How did you ultimately resolve your receiver issue?

quote: Originally posted by forresthump: Thanks StLouie and PhilH for the retraction. We must really Watch out for the liberals & communists from now on. They are the allies of terrorism. They are our "seeds of our own destruction" Watch how fast their true patriotism desolves. Sorry Phil. I just have respond to this. Forrest. I don't know if you personally responded to me but since I see your comments here here I have to respond. You mentioned I attacked Bush. I did not in these posts. Though I'm opposed to him and have publicly attacked him, even now, I don't do it at this site. I merely stated that the country was generally in better shape a year ago. We were not at war, our economy was not in recession, in fact Greenspan was fearful of an over heated economy, etc. The fact that you infered that Bush is responsible is perhaps indicative of some true feelings you harbor. As for the commie liberal thing. I am proud to be liberal. Not in the narrow conservative talk rhetoric often prescribed to liberals but in the dictionary sense. Feel free to look up the word. If one chooses to be like myself, or communist or republican or whatever, it is their choosing. I think it's still a free country. The fact that we are free to express different ideological views are part of the democratic ideals in this nation. These are the sorts of things I base patriotism on. Not forming enemies list and scapegoating dissenters as terrorist or unpatriotic. If this is the sort of America you prefer then I like many would strongly object.