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We really have no choice. We are being smoked out.

Absolutely. At least a lot of folks are becoming more open to that possibility. It really doesn't matter unless the release was on purpose. We know that bats just didn't migrate there to be eaten in a wet market 🙂 What was on purpose is allowing the people to fly out of Wuhan to other parts of the world vs into other areas of China. That was definitely calculated so basically taking advantage of a situation. Then denial is easy.

I guess if we see a second wave, we'll know.

Nah, why are they on TV saying the opposite? As long as China let the folks fly all over the world, it was going to infect the world. We just should have been better prepared.

Still a lot of errors, or maybe just the ability to have plausible deniability toward tracking and actual statistics to be able to draw conclusions from. Let's do 50000 random tests in the 10 largest cities. Let's look at the numbers and come up with a possible statistical analysis to understand the penetration and actual infection vs death rate.

Yes, where are the statistics? Oh you can't get the real statistics through the media or will nobody want to share real statistics (nor do what is needed to acquire them)? The only real way to make decisions is with data. The different factions have been hiding or attempting to not get the data to qualify it because it might break the narrative. You never know, it may actually justify it though these folks know more than we do so I think I know which direction the data evaluation will go.

Definitely not a full blown hoax though some are using it for lockdown.. Time is in order to start protecting vulnerable and get back to life. I doubt this is going away anytime soon. The politics and insanity like "can't mow your lawn" or "buy seeds to plant" needs to have the people wake up and vote the idiots that can't use science out of office. Hopefully people wake up to their strength and don't ignore this.

Yes, goes from 50 cents to 50 dollars. BUT, everything is going toward T-Cells so HIV and Cancer drugs seem to be the most promissing.

So people are finally taking off their rose colored glasses. What do they all think that lab did? Just dumb to ignore because China denies it, or have they denied that part.

They are already paying.... Nobody thinks about the side effects of the shutdown. Poverty and stress kills not to name the millions that don't get diagnosed or treatments for ailments that can kill them. That is not to mention the fact that you are seeing food shortages and everything else along with you just can't continue to print money til we have a vaccine. Tax revenue required. About 70% of deaths are older working age. Deaths in working age are more due to diabetes and other ailments. Those are the groups that should be focused on and let the rest go back to work. It is not prudent to think we can go on this way for another 6 months. To the plus side, maybe this will be a wake up call (as I hope New Orleans will be) that people need to take better care of themselves since they may pay the consequences sooner than later.

DOH. Of course not. Those bats didn't migrate there.

Damage to person with vaccine, damage to reproduction.... Remember all those great things they came out with in the '50s that took a generation later to find? Get yourself in as good a shape as you can, pack in the proper vitamins and minerals and go get the virus. That might be just as low a percentage of death or side effects as the first batch of vaccines.

You are correct and it also allows other things to creep in. Of course our media wouldn't ever call that "News".

No unfortunately other than many pharmacists will not allow you to prescribe it. I guess they don't want to save lives. I am a probabilities type person (quite gray). When I look at the things coming out for and against, I have to question. There actually is a lot out there. You just have to put the puzzle pieces together. Currently I see more for than against. I may change my mind later but I believe this is all about saving lives, and Hydroxy will not be helpful to me so it won't be my life. My heart is too slow though I am believing the information around zinc, D3, and vitamin C and taking care of yourself.

Yes.. That was just posted the other day. This stuff under the headline: The results are in. Trump’s miracle drug is useless. Can you figure out the agenda? The media... sheesh. Again, they stated at the daily meetings nobody was really tracking the Oxy that was distributed in the NY hospitals. All I thought is "Here we go with a new game".

Did you notice that was under the guise of an opinion piece? I'm still seeing more Drs wanting it and not being able to get it. Used before the people are too far gone, as I stated earlier, might be a better indicator. There is need to read those articles more deeply. Additionally it was already stated at the daily meetings that they were not really tracking the patients, just administering. No valid trial from the sounds of the points brought up at the meetings. So I would be careful with the ability to believe that. Too much "anecdotal" evidence to the contrary. As a matter of fact, people did worse with Oxy from what it appeared. Also look at the target. Don't want to line up behind it though again, that is contrary with a significant number of doctors perspectives. It is like blowing up the number of deaths in NY by putting all the old folks with COVID back into the nursing homes. We knew the vulnerable..... We had a process problem... ha. NY, just help me....

Sadly an apt analysis as I said in a previous post. If you don't induce fear, you have a much harder time forcing your agenda and control. Let's not discount all the garbage that is being forced upon US citizens that has zero to do with science. 1. Can't use a motorboat 2. Family can't take a boat out on the lake with the whole family. Has to be limited to two people 3. Can't go to the beach and swim 4. Can't go to the beach unless you stay in the wet sand 5. Can't mow your lawn 6. Can't go out of the house in a rural area without a mask on 7. Can't buy seeds so you can plant a garden 8. Pot and Liquor are OK Just a start. If we don't open this economy soon, nobody will be able to print all the money for the next 3 Trillion dollar bill. Oh just use your credit card.

Fear Controls.

Not sure. I'd have to find the article. I just wish we could get good statistics. Makes you wonder if there is something to hide the way this whole thing is going at this point. We don't want to take a concerted snap shot of an area so that we can extrapolate actual infection rates and people with antibodies for fear that it will diminish the impact of how bad it is. If you could get the therapeutics that are being tested, we wouldn't have to admit people when they are seriously ill. Seems quite backwards though just feeds the perception that the powers that be don't want you to be able to make this more trivial by having real data.

They were targeting approx 1million tests a day over 10 or 11 days in the Wuhan area. They should get some good statistics from that vs the way the US is dorking around with it. I have to say, that is the right way even though everything else is wrong with it.

Depends on how you want to count them. There is push back on how CDC is counting them. Think about if people can't get help for what they need, then they get COVID because their immune system is toast and die. Is that really a COVID death or induced by the situation? The longer this pushes out without getting people proper care, the numbers are just going to continue to climb. You can't even get any of the test drugs unless you are admitted. You might as well be on your death bed so of course the numbers are going to continue to climb. Slowing down? Maybe if there were treatment measures other than go home until you are really really sick, then maybe we can save you vs. help you. ARGH!!!!!!!

Good toys to play with. Will take some time to sweeten them up.

Sorry about that. Thought that might have been the thread that was shut down.

That is why I believe blood types (type O in particular that has reduced clotting factors) and other factors count. Hydroxychloroquine reduces clotting. So reducing the viral load and reduced clotting. Many with Type O are not getting the bad symptoms. I really think they are missing the boat on 50% of these thinking one thing and it is really blood clotting in the lungs

Ya, just hearing about revised numbers last night and today. Being treated in the same areas, I don't even want to think about it. Just like in the NE, making old folks go back into the nursing homes when testing positive. Now I don't think conspiracy there but stupidity comes to mind. Significantly inflating the deaths but those deaths are from COVID. Sad Sad Sad....