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Martin Logan SL-3000s. La Scalas with a HUGE sound stage.
As homely as La Scalas are, Altec A-7s are far worse. I have heard them as sound reinforcement speakers for a rock band I hung around in college. I was unimpressed at the time. There's no telling how they had them eq'd, so I can't completely pass judgement on them. However, based on that experience and the butt-ugly grey cabinets, most Altecs wouldn't even be considered. I like the look of the 19. Perhaps if I heard a pair, I'd think differently. At least some of the 19s had 811 horns and 800-series compression drivers. I'd think they'd sound pretty good. However, based on the sound of those A-7s, I wouldn't go out of my way to find a pair.
Sorry, Tom.
I have a pair of 511B horns and when I find a nice deal on a pair of 806/802/902 drivers, I'll try to build a pair of 2-way La Scalas. Maybe then I'll hear what the hub-bub is about.
John
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Klipsch speakers are so efficient that 100 watts are more than enough, though many people rune even more and drive them even louder. 100 watts is 20 dB above the 1 watt rating, so an HII will 116 dB on 100 watts.
Your biggest problem will be the quality of the amp. Klipsch speakers are ruthless in showing the flaws in electronics.
HIIs and RB-3s will be good medium sized speakers for you rooms. One trade off for the high efficiency is less deep bass. You may want to use a subwoofer with your main listening system.
John
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I haven't heard them, but I'm told they sound a little warmer. The difference in the drivers is only 1.5 dB. The new drivers are the "same" as the ones used before 1982, but tweaked to be smoother and less 1.5 dB.
John
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Be sure to listen to your choice carefully. I favor a 1983 model Heresy for your center.
John
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Hi Max,
I think the situation is a little like what we went through in the States with car engine power. They changed the testing procedure and the horsepower looks a lot smaller. Still, a 260 HP '02 Mustang will run faster in a 1/4 mile than the '69 Mach 1 Mustang that was supposed to have 335 HP. I believe the new ratings are more indicative of what you'll get at home.
There have been some changes. The new squawker and tweeter in the KH/LS/B both have a little less output, but are said to be smoother. The crossovers have been tweeked accordingly.
John
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What is the "name" of the '54 xover? Is it K-500-5000?
John
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The T2A has more windings than the T4A. The T2A was to be used in several different speakers. You should be able to use the T4A in place of the T2A, but I wouldn't. I'd preserve your AK-3 network. You can get the T2A under a different part number from UTC in Texas. I'm sure Al Klappenberger would also sell you a pair as well. He uses them in his custom xovers. They are pretty cheap.
http://www.alkeng.com/klipsch.html
John
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The tweeter WILL have a wooden horn. It has been variously described as "laminated" and "Italian". Both may apply.
John
This message has been edited by John Albright on 05-26-2002 at 05:56 PM
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How's this?
John
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Mark,
Yes, it is the same VMPS and Brian Cheney. I have the old Larger Subwoofers. They are 17.5" x 21.5" x 39". The company is now in El Sobrante, Ca., but that may not be far from San Jose. They make what is called a Super Tower III, now. Have a look.
John
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Thanks!
John
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Mark?,
I use 2 VMPS Larger Subs with 4 La Scalas and a KLF-C7 for my music/HT system. The subs are powered by an Acurus A-250 that puts out between 400 and 450 watts to the 4 ohm load. I have them rolled in below 70 Hz and their level is set so that the system doesn't sound like there is a sub, unlike Circuit City.
John
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Get a pair of Harrison Labs F-mods. They have a web page. An F-Mod is designed to plug into phono jacks and deliver a 12 dB slope for high or low pass. They are probably $10 a pair.
John
http://www.hlabs.com/technical/crossovers/
This message has been edited by John Albright on 05-27-2002 at 11:34 AM
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djk,
That sounds like good advise. not knowing the amp's particulars, I discounted clipping and the normal culprit due to the -20 setting. He might easily be overdriving the inputs, though.
John
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Tom,
Being a former nukie (short time), I'm sort of like a reformed smoker about them. We DID need to improve our documentation and control, but we aren't regulation-driven. We're also having a really tough time getting enough boilermakers here in the South.
I like the GT jobs, too. It dissapoints me that one of our combined-cycle units just got canceled.
John
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mdeneen,
My opinion of subwoofers has been the same as yours. However, I have made peace with my LARGE VMPS subs, partly out of necessity and partly because they work very well. As you prefer, the VMPS Larger Subwoofer is actually the bottom end of one of his full range sustems and is used up to about 300 Hz.
John
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With the correct wood putty and sealing techniques you can patch the chips and stain and they won't be seen. I had mine done professionally, so I only have a vague idea what he did, but even knowing where the chip in the "V" was I have trouble finding it. I'm not sure I can find it after 2 years. After the staining he put on a satin polyurethane. check out the front speakers on my web site. One day I'm going to have the rears redone to match (after I buy a Combat Commander and when I have $500 laying around unused).
John
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If you have La Scalas hooked to an 800 watt/channel amp and you keep blowing the squawker and tweeter, you're getting what you deserve! Turn it down!
John
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Engineering became a bean-counter function when we started tracking man-hours spent on a Primevera schedule rather than work accomplished and when the nukies succeded in pushing their procedures over on Fossil Power. Now, I have to have a 37 page DCN to issue 8 engineering drawings.
If I had one employee per megawatt (2 per for a plant under construction) I could play DCNs all day!
John
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I think Gil's right (suprise!?). I looked at the schematic for the AK-3 that a Y2K K-horn would have and I believe the extra inductor steepens the squawker's high pass and it is run without a HF roll-off, just like the K-55-V. I had always thought the -M went a little higher than the -V. Based on my experience with both the -V and -Ms in my La Scalas, I'd expect the combination of the K-55-M and Type A to be a little more forward than the K-55-M/Type AK-3 combo. That's easily cured by changing taps on the autoformer. Be sure to use Solen FastCaps or Hovland Musicaps and good inductors in your homemade Type As and you'll be very satisfied.
John
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I wouldn't advise using the Type A in a Y2K K-horn without mods. It has no HF roll-off for the midrange. The Type A was used with the K-55-V that naturally started rolling off at 4k. BTW, the crossover points for the Type A are 400 and 9k, but all are 6 dB/octave. try adding an inductor the roll off the squawker around 5k at 6 dB/octave.
Otherwise, it will work fine.
John
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You should take it back to the dealer for repair and file a claim with UPS. If it was not new, try 1-800-klipsch or a local Klipsch dealer.
John
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Five Heresies and an RSW-12 or -15 would be a KILLER HT. The front 3 should be from the same year, or be modified to have the same components and network.
Yours are probably what we've nicknamed Heresy 1.5s. They have the HII squawker and HI woofer and tweeter. You need to listen to see, but I'd bet they will be sonically close to the modern HII.
John
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The bid is now $249. The reciever is probably worth that! That is from the mid-70s and is similar the my old CA-800. It could be switched from 60 real watts (45 rated) to 8 watts Class A. It was warm and soft in the bass region, but nice sounding. I like my Acurus/Parasound gear better, but the Yamaha is no slouch.
John
Is it true you shouldn't run new speakers loud?
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Only your ears "break-in".
John