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12 years later I wish to concur that I must have had a “bad” Rc-7 back then, perhaps a woofer was blown. I now have 3 Rc-7 as of this year for 3 of my rooms and am trying to sell my Rc-64ii and my two Rc-62iis as although the Rc-64 ii comes close the the RC-7 in terms of power and detail it has no where near the “hit you in the chest” impact of the Rc-7 - it just looks prettier also, the rc64ii doesn’t have ports and doesn’t hit as low as the 7 while it also seems the 4 x 6” woofers don't hit as hard as the two 8” woofers of the 7. For the used prices for these two speakers , the 64ii costs double which also make getting your hands on a $400 Rc-7 a much better ROI for your ears. I will say I have Rf-7s and likely the proper timber matching is a big factor .. but still cannon fire in movies at same volume hits harder with the rc-7 over the 64ii imho.

Under TV at ear level when sitting I’ve found best after trying above tv. I have another room with the center on top and angled down - it doesn’t have that same impact as the room I have one centered across from the couch seating position - especially tank fire from the movie “Fury”

My assessment of the same speakers reviews here matches exactly. I will also add that the RC-64 and RC-64ii do not produce the same “kick in the chest” impact as the RC-7 during intense military movie scenes. For sure, The RC-7 is special - a gem of Klipsch engineering - and I would like to see Klipsch bring this one back into production! Fortunately you can still find these used for $400, significantly less expensive than a the newest center flagship RC-64 iterations. I now have 3 of these and still need to sell off my RC-64ii and replace with a fourth RC-7. Cheers!

Thanks for the info. I ended up pulling the trigger going with 4 RF-7s in near mint condition. All four for $1750!!! I had almost pulled the trigger for a pair for $1600 the week prior and then found these on Facebook marketplace for 2k and I talked him down a little. Apparently he got divorced and downsized from a large house to a small condo and couldn’t use speakers of this size. A lucky find for me for sure!

Thanks for selling these to me! Serving great as my surround wides to complement my recently acquired RF-7 and RS-7s!

Anyone have RF-5’s they are willing to sell?

Hello, I was hoping someone could point me to where to find “Dean G” crossovers for an RC-7. I would like to see if these would enhance the smoothness / warmness of dialogue reproduction in movies. thanks!

Thanks to Chris in Klipsch customer service I was able to order a new bash 500 amp for my hard-to-replace XW-500D to replace a dead one after 10 years. Well worth the price and apparently Klipsch doesn't normally stock these amps any longer so I was lucky they had recently ordered a few due to recent demand. It's nearly impossible to find this sub used online as well. This powerful, tight, sealed sub is the best sub I've ever had for the price and diminutive size. Sounds at least as good as a much more expensive Velodyne DD-12 and nearly as good as my much much larger/hulking Velodyne DD-15. Can't say enough about how well this sealed sub equally performs for music and movies!!! Fills a 25x15 room nicely for me. Klipsch - please make the XW-500D again!!!!

Hi Guys, Thanks for all the feedback. Through an extremely fortuitous local craigslist ad, which I acted on immediately, I ended up scoring two of the similarly RARE little brother xw-300d subs for only $250 today! One is Mint condition and the other only has a slight ding in the Vinyl in back corner. I'm a very happy customer!!!

Interested in the xw-500d sub. Sent you a pm.

Yes, the 500d is amazing. The apparent replacement is the sw-311 in terms of size/specs/sealed sound but its much more expensive and in comparison seems to have a lot of extra unnecessary hardware ( two additional passive woofers - and with no protective covers!)

This is similar to how I found one advertised 4 years ago, the guy really didn't know what he had and he told me his wife wanted him to sell it because it was "too loud" , LOL!

man i just did a nation wide search for one of these. not a single one anywhere. good luck EDIT: one in france LOL EDIT AGAIN: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Enceinte-Caisson-de-basses-Klipsch-Icon-XW-500d-Powered-Subwoofer-Black-500-Wat-/201354218398?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_71&hash=item2ee1a58b9e looks like he will ship to us. seems like a low enough price for a rare sub you are seeking. not sure what shipping would cost from there to the us though. Yeah - I saw that one in France too! I never realized how extremely rare a find this speaker is until I wanted another one. For good reason too! This speaker comes in a tiny package and rivals my Velodyne DD-15 in a 25x32 ft room! I feel fortunate to have found the one I have on craigslist 4 years ago for merely $225!

I have one of these gems and really wanting a second one for my den if anyone has one and wants to sell. Thanks, Neal

I had exact same dilemma. The fire place is positioned in the in the optimal location for A/V system, couch positioning etc.. For some reason builders often position the fireplace as the centerpiece of the living room. This may have made sense in the 1800's when it was the source of people's heat in the winter and place of gathering. In reality today most use it rarely, it's more of a decoration, and the home A/V entertainment system is likely where most folks would be focused in the living room. When it came down to it, my wife and I decided we wouldn't be comfortable craning our necks to look up and watch TV. Also, with the RC64 II being up so high it would necessitate angling the beast of a center downwards and forcing the tv to be mounted pretty much touching the ceiling. In the end we used the adjacent wall and kept the Center on the entertainment center with the 60" tv sitting on top of the center. In this setup, the center is optimally placed with it's height at or near ear level when sitting on the couch. Surrounded by the RS62's in the rear on 38" speaker stands it's pure joy and we get to keep our family pictures and candles on the mantle

Typo above, I'm actually using the monster RF-64II with my RF-3s in the living room and the match is great with the bonus of the warmest vocals of all the centers mentioned.

Yes, since this post, and in response to questions from several members of this forum, Klipsch has updated the specs on their website to indicate that the crossover points for the woofers are 1100 and 1400, outer to inner respectively. It really did make a HUGE differenct in sound, for both movies and especially music when I upgraded from the RC-64 to the RC-64II. I had just bought the former and asked the local dealer if he could work out an upgrade to the II after only a month. He allowed this for an addtionaly $200 as he had a buyer for my old one. What a deal as the price for the new one was $400 difference I just purchased an RC-62 ii for my bedroom setup and contacted Klipsch support to see if it has a similar tapered crossover setup to the previous RC-62. I was told the latest RC-62 II version does not utilize the tapered array and that both woofers are crossed at the same 1500hz. See a recent post of mine (http://community.klipsch.com/forums/t/160456.aspx). I can tell you that although the RC-62II sounds similar to my rc-64II, movie vocals and music do still sound a bit better on the 64II and I'm thinking the same as you that the larger diameter tweeter at 1.75" may be making that difference. I still have the RC-3 (tapered at 1150,1950) and wanted to do the same thing as you .. buy the new 1.75" tweeter and crossover setup to convert it. The parts may be easier to swap out on the RC-3 than the RC-64 as it doesn't have the tweeter integrated in with any baffle. That's something you'll have to work around. I haven't been able to locate replacement parts for the RC-64II yet. If you are able to do this project and find the parts etc.. I'd be very interested. Keep us posted!!!!

I had the rs-62i for a month before upgrading to the rs-62ii's from same dealer (was lucky enough not to be charged). My primary goal here was to improve the 'wife factor' by getting the rounded grills vs the v-shaped grills with the cheap vinyl and plastic side ports being exposed. I was also pleasantly surprised by the acoustic improvement musically producing a much warmer sound. I then upgraded my rc-64 to rc-64ii. Again I had this for a month but the dealer did have to charge me an extra $200 on trade-in.

I watch alot of movies and such a small percentage of the sound (?10%) is focused on the rear speakers (splashing water, occasional bullet reverb, background noises in restaurant scenes etc..) I personally would not spend too much time worrying about about having commerical theater sized surrounds to match a home theater setup. Getting those theater speakers for the rears would require you to build the rest of your HT around them by buying theater speakers all around. Not to mention they will require much more power to drive them and then throw your whole system off balance by exposing weaknesses in your other non-theater caliber components. The RS-62II's are the perfect timber match to your system as tested (and marketed ) by klipsch. If you're not hearing a sonic balance between all your speakers with the rs-62II's then your audyssy/EQ setup and/or Amp should be reviewed. In the 15x20 room I have I can clearly hear random and loud explosions, jets seemlessly flying over from back to front shaking the room etc.. and I only have 135watts/channel. I'm thinking the sound would be even further improved by upgrading to an outboard amp capable of working out the speakers a little more with 250wpc RMS. I probably wouldn't waste money doing that unless I moved everything to a larger room. However, it's good to know the speakers can handle much more power than I'm driving them that if ever needed. I am curious why you would have got the tiny RS-42ii's to start with??? IF it were true that they were as good or powerful as the rs-62ii's then who would shell out the significantly extra $$ for the RS-62ii's?? I haven't heard the RS-42ii but previously had a similar speaker in the Icon WS-24's and can tell you that at mid to high volume levels the upgrade made a huge difference! Good Luck!

I'm using the RS-62II's for side and RS-3's I got off craigslist for rears. RS-3 6" drivers are directional with the tweeters out of phase. Sounds great to my ears for 7.1 or 5.1 matrixed to 7 channels...

A follow up question I asked regarding if the sound would be any different without tapered array.. I've hooked up the RC-62 II today and it sounds VERYsimilar to my RC-64 II and even has more bass response. I am quite pleased with the more natural, dynamic, and warmer sound that I was expected over my RC-3. I toggled between speakers for various music and movie tracks and there is quite a noticable difference. The RC-3 has more of a "loud" sound to it vs the 62 II which seems much more refined and accurate. Not to mention the build on the RC-62 II is much more robust including the vinyl wrap. Time to sell the RC-3 Nope. Should not experience any issues at all. Special Notice: We will be conducting physical inventory from March 1st through the 5th and we will be unable to ship any product or parts orders during this time. Sorry for any inconvenience this may incur. ___________________________ Steve Phillips Senior Product Support 1-800-554-7724 Fax 317-860-9195 ___________________________________ Klipsch Group, Inc. Klipsch | Jamo | Mirage | Energy 3502 Woodview Trace, Indianapolis, IN 46268 From: Neal E-D [mailto:hey_neal@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:37 AM To: Technical support Subject: Re: Crossover points, tapered array Steve, Thanks for the clarification. I just purchased the RC-62 II. Should I be aware of any potential frequency cancellations due to lack of tapered array in this version of the RC-62? Neal

Hi Folks, I couldn't find the answer to this question on the forum so I contacted Klipsch support. I thought I'd share the response in case others have the same question (see below). I just purchased an RC-62II to replace the RC-3 in my second room system. My experience with the RC-64 II is that there is a remarkable difference in music playback compared to the RC-3, especially with stringed music and dynamic range in general (I toggled back and forth testing the same tracks). I am hoping the musical sound will reproduce somewhat close to my experience with the RC-64 II in the Main room. Two less woofers, slightly higher HF xover point, but similar sensitivity appear to be acceptable differences for almost 1/3 the price for the smaller room I will install tomorrow and see if the specs match up to the sound. "Hi Neal, The RC-62 II is not tapered array as the previous RC-62 The only center in the current Reference series that is a tapered array is the RC-64 II Special Notice: We will be conducting physical inventory from March 1st through the 5th and we will be unable to ship any product or parts orders during this time. Sorry for any inconvenience this may incur. ___________________________ Steve Phillips Senior Product Support 1-800-554-7724 Fax 317-860-9195 ___________________________________ Klipsch Group, Inc. Klipsch | Jamo | Mirage | Energy 3502 Woodview Trace, Indianapolis, IN 46268 -----Original Message----- From: Neal Davis [mailto:hey_neal@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:32 AM To: Technical support Subject: Crossover points, tapered array [Country] US [if Product Related Question - Which Product?] RC-62 ii Hi, I have heard the RC-62 ii center speaker has a tapered array cross-over configuration as the previous model did. I see that the RC-64 II specs show two high frequency cut-off, 1100 and 1400 respectively. I am interested to know the cut-offs for the rc-62 ii so I can make a decsion on best match with my other speakers. Thanks, Neal _______________________________ The above message was sent when you were offline, via your LivePerson account. "

lNot sure my RC-7 was 'bad' or not as volume levels for woofers/tweeter seemed just fine and what each speaker was reproducing seemed to match the specs (only mid bass for left speaker 45-550Hz for example). Also, I sold that RC-7 to another forum member and they reported to me they were quite pleased with it. So, it's merely my opinion that the RC-64 II, to my ears, seemed markedly smoother than the RC-7 with an apparently better 'tie-in' with the much lower tweeter crossover point. I noted this when listening to violin music of Vivaldi. Transitions seemed to be missing. To confirm, I'd unplug the RC-7 and then plug the RC-64 II back in. I did this a few times and am certain some frequencies appeared to be subdued or missing from the RC-7 when listening with a critical ear. I am now wondering, after occasionally reading entries in this forum which discuss a 'DEAN-G' Custom crossover if that solution creates a 'warmer' crossover point? Anyhow, I just knew I couldn't live with that. I was hoping that the 8" tweeter horn and big woofers would make some kind of difference that may prompt me to sell my rc-64II. What the experience did for me was help me justify the big chunk of change I spent on the RC-64 II (retail with 30% discount since I also bought RC-62 II's) was well worth it! Not for nothing, the RC-64II also has an awsome looking all-wood front fascia - plasticy front plates of RC-7 and former RC-64 gone. Gives the speaker a much more refined look with the grill off to match the much more refined/warm sound it produces. I'm not trying to knock the RC-7 at all and anyone who prefers that speaker over the new line. I was actually hoping I'd like it , at least the same or more than my RC-64II, as the RC-7 was VERY difficult for me to find and for only $300! I could have then tried to sell my current center and perhaps could have potentially recovered back $500 by selling on CL Just as a note, the RS-64II's sound markedly more refined than the RS-3's, and again much more clams to get a set. However, in the 7.1 setup they all play together nicely I haven't heard RS-7's yet but probably wouldn't risk buying at this point since I didn't enjoy the matching center. There may still be a set for sale on CL in Conn. for $400 but I fear I may have difficulty turning those around if needed.

Hi Bill, I don't see that I responded to that particular post? Thanks for referring me to it. I see you found out the tapered array gap IS designed into the RC-64II. However, the sonic gap has significantly closed from a crossover point perspective. 1100/1400 (RC64II) vs 550/1950 (RC-7). This is perhaps why I was not able to notice as much bias as I did with the RC-7. In addtion, the RC-64II seems more balanced sonically. This is likely due to having both sides of the speaker having two woofers reproducing sound up to the middle tweeter's crossover frequency. On the RC-7, one side of the tweeter has a woofer only reproducing sound up to 550Hz (little to no dialogue). The right side woofer is markedly more engaged by producing frequencies from 550Hz all the way up to the 1950Hz tweeter crossover point. This represents a 1400Hz gap between the two woofers on the RC-7 vs only a minimal 300Hz gap on the RC-64II. My ears may have interpreted a more seemless a transition between woofers. Also, it would seem that most of the time all four woofers would be engaged during movie dialogue and music. All things being the same in my system (no changes to eq settings etc..), I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to rotate all three Centers Channels on the same day (RC-64II, RC-7, RC-3) and playing same movies and music tracks. The new technical information above seems to validate my impressions of sonic reproduction differences. I suspect that if I sat farther away than 9 feet from the RC-7 center channel I may not have noticed the right-side sonic bias as much, yet the speaker still didn't see seem nearly as dynamic during classical music tracks as the RC-64II (nor the previously owned RC-64 I had). I think Klipsch's updated design and technology in the later center speakers is really an improvement - yet the prices have also got more steep The RF-3 and RF-3II's are crossed at a low enough point for me (1950Hz) to still feel like a good match to the new 'warmer' center channels. I passed on buying a used set of RF-7's and RF-5's recently because of the 2500Hz crossover point seemed way to high for a good timber match with the RC-64II. Unfortunately, I didn't get to hear them first with my RC-64II to verify but wasn't willing to drop the cash for a CL buy and take that gamble I had an ideal opportunity to cycle through several different center channels in my system as well as reviewing specs online to really form a good impression and understanding of what was the best fit for my main system. However, two differnent people from this forum may have two totally different impressions and conclusions It's all part of the fun and it seems more and more dated, but decent condition, Klipsch speakers of different era's, are showing up on CL and making it possible to rotate through various components and decide to keep or resell while breaking even. I may need to wait a while before some RF-82 II's show up on CL so I can see if they would offer any significant improvement over my RF-3 IIs Neal

Could be that perhaps the RF-3 II's didn't match up correctly. I just know the RC-64 II's, which are really supposed to match up with the new RF-7 II's, sounded the best of all center channels mentioned with the RF-3's. Speaking of RF-5's, I found some on CL for $400 in Cherry and was considering purchasing to replace my RF-3 II's. Yet I'm concerned that the high crossover point is at 2500hz vs the 1950hz of the RF-3's and wouldn't sound as good with the RC-64 II due to lack of warmth. Any thoughts on that? Also, the RF-5 has the same exact woofers as the RF-3's. I called Klipsch this week to see about a replacement woofer for the RF-5 on CL which has one dented cone (common an unfortunate issue with used reference series speakers in general). The Klipsch rep said they had 70 in stock. I then asked if he had any RF-3 8" woofers in stock. He said they are the same part # as the RF-5's. To me that means the RF-5 would offer no sonic advantage over the RF-3 which has very similar specs, same woofers, nearly the same cabinet (larger port and slightly larger RF-5 cabinet for slightly deeper bass response) but with a bigger horn. The bigger horn and same 1" tweeter with much higher crossover point may sound a bit harsh to me as well so I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Not sure why Klipsch chose to change the crossover point on RF-5's and decrease the 'warmth' compared to the same generation RF-7's (2100hz)?