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Wow, I really appreciate all the information. I feel better about considering them and probably pick some up this weekend.
During the build process do you add glue to the dowels or is this unnecessary? Anytime I see dowels I just want to add glue. The picture instructions do not show glue.
Thanks Again.
I would not glue the dowels, the units stay together as designed.
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You can also get a number of the individual 5 cube tall by 1 wide units and line them up, very flexible and very sturdy.
If you wanted to add a backing, a 1/4 Masonite sheet should do the trick, you could probably fasten it into place with some screws and clear silicone adhesive all the way around.
Very sturdy
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I am up to my eye-balls in amps, and I am now experimenting with various pre-amps. So far, the Vintage Yamaha's are pretty darn good.
Soon, I will be experimenting with using my Pioneer HTS as the pre-amp fronting 3 Class A Yamaha amps.
Emotiva has on paper a pretty good modern pre-amp, is there anything else near it in this price performance range. I may pick up a mint used to put it side by side with my Mac and Yamaha and have a bake off. Having said that, transparent should be transparent?
Any suggestions on FAVs both modern and vintage (Yamaha)?
I will be running the pre-amps through Mac and Yamaha amps and driving my La Scalas.
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A digital receiver looks like it might be a great solution. It will make the DAC I have coming useless but I might find somewhere else to use it. The ST theme sounds great with that setup.
Does anyone know if there is a digital receiver with a discrete phono input? How do analog sources sound?
Also, I did some searching but I couldn't find a real explanation about how digital receivers work/differ from a normal receiver. Can anyone explain it?
thanks
Consider buying a used TOTL line Pioneer receiver and using it as the pre-amp DAC, you should be able to get one for a few hundred dollars. You can pre-amp anything you like this way. My suggestion is to pick up a Yamaha MX-800 Class A A-B 170WRMS power amp. Set the gain controls at 12 so you don't tear your speakers apart. $350 mint MX 800.
The pioneer can be used on direct from the DAC to the pre-amp section. Check out the TOTL pre HDMI interface receivers with the best decoder chips, this things will also pump 120WRMS over 7 channels and have a LP Sub out you can jack a sub into.
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I will say that it depends on the application.
If you are going straight stereo, I would keep the top 2 or 3 and deploy them around the house.
If you are using them behind your HTS receiver in order to get Class A sound, they I would choose my favorite and buy or trade for 3 more just like it so you can run 5.1 or 7.1 in Class A.
YMMV
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Someone should run an Advertisement in the singles pages for a week of touring, fine dining and "clubbing" in France and see who replies. Be sure to specify females so that her husband is not first in line.
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Living near Chicago, power outages are not uncommon, frequently with several bounces before the failure.
I have almost everything in the house on power strips of one type or
another mostly for convenience since the outlets aren't near the
appliance in many cases.I think the idea of grounded whole house lightning protection is
intuitively obvious once the idea is put forth. A problem with a $100
solution is no problem at all.As to the power conditioning, my friend who designs IC for very
expensive industrial equipment summarized it nicely for me, "yes a clean
sine wave is a good idea".To my eye, the Plasma picture improved as did the sound of the stereo.
If its a placebo, its a good one, my 12 year old noticed the difference immediately in the TV picture.
YMMV
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Sorry, it's RF-35. I'll edit and correct the original post.
The receiver is a Yamaha RX v1500.
If there is a suitable alternative I'm all ears.
IF I simply select speaker A and speaker B on the Yamaha, will it play all four fronts simulateously, and equally in both DVD / HT and TV operation? Seems like it would but I'm not up to speed on HT. I'll hook it up like that and see. At least I know I won't be harming the reciever in that manner.
Don't monster and some other vendors make a little box just for this sort of problem?
Check on Amazon
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I'm personally against EQ especially to boost low bass. Not only do you insert another component in your chain, thus degrading (even so slightly) transparency and phase coherency, but you also put more stress on the amps, and more stress on the speakers. I mean, if the LaScala would be designed to be able to reproduce sub bass, we would know about it. I'm not advising anyone to cut through his bass bins and port them or whatever - at least you should do it reversible - but IMHO a good sub is the way to go...
I'm sure EQ bass boost works to some extends. But what are the trade-offs, compared to the trade offs (if any???) of a good subwoofer?
If the LaScalas can't reproduce it, they won't.
If you overdrive them, you will damage them just like before the EQ.
I did a blind test when I purchased my Heresy's, with the bass turned up they approached the K=Horns. So I purchased them.
Later the issue came down to portability and corners; so I purchased the LaScalas, which can hardly be said to be lacking bass.
Now I have 1 RS12d sub and will probably purchase a second one, they are very plucky and make me bounc up and down with the Transformers are in my TV room, I may even get a couple of shakers so I can really stress the wire nails holding the house up.
YMMV
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After reading the first 10 pages of this post, I began to sink into a dark place or at least a quite one with poor sound reproduction.
So I decided to read Audiovox's web site, the are clearly giddy that Klipsch is #1 or #2 in all of their spaces and a supplier to Apple.
Perhaps the marketing and engineering guys will be able to overcome the M&A guys desire to make the compay pay fast by gutting it. AKA turning the milk cash cow into hamburger for a fast buck.
I also hope that the new owners realize that most people aspire to own a Mercedes based on the image and prestige of their very high end products, most settle for a 300E to fulfull the dream.
That said, most can't afford or have the space for the Heritage line, but most want to own one.
Klipsch is already into the soundbar space and surround in a box, hopefully the new owners will produce MB190s for the space and not Yugos.
I'll wait and see.
If the new owners decide to exit the high quality end, I'll vote with my feet.
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Good idea to mirror the site.
Audiovox can't shut the forum down can they?
No way..........until they buy the company then they can do whatever they want.
I can host the forums and try and download and save all the forum posts but that will take time.
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More economic devistation by the Black Hand of Government withering peoples hopes and dreams.Amy I appreciate your comments and I appreciate that you and every employee of Klipsch is scared out of their wits right now. However, you're whistling down a dark alley if you think that Audiovox (loosely translated: "the people's music") is anything more than a conglomerate that sucks out the good will garnered by formerly honest brand names to slog inferior products. Their entire marketing rational is predicated on the rational that the consumer has a short memory and will buy the junk they rebadge under the formerly respected corporate logos.
I don't claim to know, but I presume this is all boils down to inheritance taxes and the family is going to make a move while the very lucrative window on estate transfers is open. Seen it all first hand over the last couple of years when a really fine regional family owned paint company called Duron was acquired by Sherwin Williams. The family divided up a billion plus, the customers got shafted with increased prices and reformulated inferior products. The employees got stiffed on pensions, benefits and self-respect. Oh, and incidentally, Sherwin Williams got rid of a competitor that killed them in every market they were in together.
There will be a lot of people here that don't chime in on this thread because they will be busy out buying up heritage speakers while you can still get them, their loyalty to Klipsch, like it's owner, driven by only one thought, monetary gain.
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Top 10 iTunes songs in the USA: Sexy and I know it on a $30K stereo or ear buds...............probably ear buds.
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Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)
Kelly Clarkson
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Set Fire to the Rain
ADELE -
Turn Me On (feat. Nicki Minaj)
David Guetta & Nicki Minaj -
Good Feeling
Flo Rida -
Domino
Jessie J -
Sexy and I Know It
LMFAO -
Somebody That I Used to Know (feat. Kimbra)
Gotye -
Give Me All Your Luvin' (feat. Nicki Minaj, M.I.A.)
Madonna -
International Love (feat. Chris Brown)
Pitbull -
Smooth Criminal (Glee Cast Version) [feat. 2CELLOS (Sulic & Hauser)]
Glee Cast
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Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)
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Check out the shop I listed in Rockford that sells refirb equipment. See what the inventory is, then do some research on the old Yamaha and Sansui EQs they have on hand. This is a question with a $100 answer. If in the end you don't want the EQ you can dump it on e-bay for what you paid for it.
I put a Pioneer GR777 between my DAC-Pre-amp and my amp which is driving my Heresy's in the bedroom (my test lab stereo). The base boost was both noticable and pleasing.
In the next few weeks, I will be re-connecting my Mac Stack C32 and 2205 to my La Scalas. Part of the trial process will be DAC direct C-32 EQ on and off. Then Mac EQ defeat with external Yamaha and Pioneer EQs between the DAC and the C-32. I will try the stand alone DAC and using my Pioneer Elite as the DAC comparisson too.
Just for fun, once I have settled on the analog HW, I will run the same music with the LaScalas stand alone and with my new RW12D sub for comparission. My expectation is that the RW will sound a little more accurate on the Bass string plucks. Just a guess.
Then the question of upgrading the LaScala woofers to alnico, or other drivers, will really matter for bass pluck test accuracy?
Alison Krause live louisville concert DVD is a good acustic test for any stereo, its easy to isolate on one instrument or voice.
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The Sorting capabilities are much better. There could be more criteria. Stereo receivers appear to be completely missing. More and more easily accessible pictures front and back would be nice.
IMHO a step in the right direction, but a work in progress.
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IMHO, get one of the vintage solid state receivers or integrated amps. You get the most bang for the buck, and the analog part stopped getting better years ago. For the digital stuff, outside of the box is fine and allows you to change easily and cheaply. I listed a shop in Rockford IL in the Garage sale section. I would also look at the class A integrated Amps 120WRMS, I snagged one for $70 a few weeks ago.
The one thing I would recommend is either a good used CD-DVD 5 disc player with the good DAC chips, or stand alone DAC. The formerly $500 5 disc DVD players can be head for $10, a factory remote can be purchase on-line for $10. With everyone dumping the DVD players, the local goodwill store had a stack of $500 DVD players in excellent condition for $7 each, but this won't last forever.
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Are the consumers able to differentiate between "good and bad" peaches?
At what cost are good peaches available in the market and are bad peaches an acceptable substitute?
Is a good peach a good peach if you have no economic way to consume it?
Was SONY Beta better?
SACD players can now be had for $150, this was not always the case.
Are SACD recordings priced the same as CDs?
IMHO the entire CD format needs to go out the window and be replaced with DVD for everyting. I would love 2 ch DTS
This is kind of a beginner question but, how much of this has to do with the actual recording of the music (while in the studio or live) and the mastering process?
I don't know, but I suspect that the original recordings are fine, and HD, and have whatever dynamics the artists invested them with. Then, in the stage we used to call "sweetening," which might now be called "****ing over" I think they compress the dynamic range, transfer the now flattened music at the highest possible recording level, and somewhere in the process reduce the detail and the warmth, etc. Then, if we are thinking of CDs, they transfer it to a 16 bit medium which
ismay be audibly worse than all of the previous media in the chain.I guess what I was hoping for was some kind of audiophile version -- they could make hybrid disks with the SACD layer having the uncompressed version, and the CD layer being as squished up, loud, and harsh as they want it to be. Wouldn't this let them cater to two different kinds of consumers at once, having their cake and eating it too?
Here is where Adam Smith's market check on quality fails in the modern world. If the market effectively demanded high quality -- they way people used to taste, say, peaches at a fruit stand, buying them only if they were tasty -- that would be the quality check. But there is only one piece of fruit being offered -- one CD containing a certain performance of a certain group of artists -- or, perhaps more accurately, most of the fruit is bad and if you want a certain song, there is usually no choice, therefore no market check, and the version being offered is not usually exactly a peach.
I don't think it's going to change until someone comes up with a way to make the higher fidelity recording option more profitable.
As a consumer, the only way I know how to do that is to intentionally go out of my way to support the artists that do a good job - and intentionally not buy the artists that don't take control over it.
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Perhaps you need to offer private music appreciation lessons?
Maybe a classic?
For the middle of the day;......... Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries............
The ............. Classical version instrumental
The .................Movie version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGBDWER-wUI&feature=fvst
And ..................the now classic conslusion to the lesson!!!!
For the encore performance......maybe a sing along?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aKAH_t0aXA
................ will keep the neighbors guessing [
]"This woman was 26 and a grad student. Smoking hot red head, I was willing to learn to appreciate cheapo earbuds, but her I-pod listening husband wasn't having it."
Ah the smoking hot redhead syndrome ..... that can make RAP sound great through earbuds.....LOL Funny you mention that as we had company over last night, and the "smoking hot redhead" was GUSHING over my main system .....and when I pulled out the vinyl!!!!...... Well what can I say.....MY WIFE WOULD HAVE NONE OF IT. *** wives, spoil all of your fun! LOL -
IMHO there are a number of issues:
Some recording artists are excellent musicians, some suck
Some recordings are excellent and some suck. Some of the old Mowtown recordings, the singer has more range than the recording equipment.
Some recording engineers are great at their jobs and some suck.
Some producers are great at their jobs and some suck.
Assuming that you take all of the above at great, and compress the recording down in bit rate you get what is known as quantinization error. As the points get spread out the processor and software are making bigger and bigger assumptions and averaging to produce a sound. As a rule no compression good, compression bad.
The best sound that I have heard bar none, is DTS master audio. I wish everything were available on DTS.
As to the IPOD MP3 market, people without much money who listen to bands and songs that I don't feel particularly attracted to. Look at the top sellers, all of the above are targeted towards the MP3 device and audience.
I had a college girl sell me the Yamaha integrated amp (mint totl) for $70 that her father had given her along with the #2 Yamaha tuner of the time for another $30. She had a basic I-phone with stock cheapo ear buds and had zero interest in her fathers gift. This woman was 26 and a grad student. Smoking hot red head, I was willing to learn to appreciate cheapo earbuds, but her I-pod listening husband wasn't having it.
I bet for the music she listens to, it sounds the same on a $30K stereo or cheapo ear buds, it was conceived, composed, played and mastered for $2 ear buds.
My two cents...........
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Where is the delete button? Chrome does not format at all. Reposted below with Explorer
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Welcome aboard, 20 years from now you will still be saying WOW every time you turn them on.
Bob Crites sells slant risers, unfinished at a very reasonable price.
Start calling around to local veneer shops, they may be willing to peal the veneer off and re-veneer for not too much. $100? The classics are Walnut and Cherry IMHO.
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I'm in the Chicago area if that's local and will take them if the first person passes on them.
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Its the end of the product run for the sub and they are clearing out the supply chain. Newegg, had 2400 on hand a couple of weeks ago.
Curious, how do you know how many they have or have had on hand?
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When my first crushed unit showed up, I had already sold my sub-12 to a friend, so I worried that I would be wooferless if they ran out of stock. The agent assured me that they had 1000 on hand and 1400 arriving any day, so no worries. They are flushing out the supply-distribution chain at the end of product life. They will build and refirb every unit they can so they eat nothing. UPS is a different story, they are eating a lot of these that they crush. Apparently, they ship things like speakers in the same trucks as transmissions and engine blocks, who is going to lose that one when the truck starts bouncing? My local packer and shipper told me that if its fragile they ship only Fedex ground since they use separate trucks for industrial vs home packages, a few cents more per box but worth it.
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The RW-12d is at $300 shipped again
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Promo code is needed to get the price down the extra $200, offer expires 2-15.
Maybe there will be the next offer?
At these prices I decided to pick up one more (for a total of 2), with the thought that I can sell it for what I paid a year or two down the road if I changed my mind.
Accuracy is great with these RW12d units, I still regret selling my sub 12 for its room shaking quality's for movies like the transformers. My friend loves it.
The record for UPS is two crushed units before the third arrived intact inside of a crushed box. We'll see if UPS will try to smash their record and go for 3 crushed sub-woofers this time.
I would love to see their warehouse where all of the crushed speakers and amps find their final resting place. It must be big.