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Bill H If you read between the lines, that is what I was saying. AA is an authorized dealer, as such they are required to post only the MSRP in their advertising over the internet. However, you can rest assured they will sell it for far less than $3900. JR

Be advised that there are certain incentives from Klipsch that are allowing dealers to sell this unit considerably below its $3900 MSRP, just AA is not allowed to advertise anything lower online. So, I would check with an autorized dealer before purchasing a used one. The warrantee policy should be the same as Klipsch's..no warrantee unless purchased from authorized dealer and no transfer of warrantees. JR

If you can..hook it up with your Yammi as a pre-pro. I know, I know...that's a travisty...but...at least you will be using it and breaking it in. Jerry R

Ok...this is not as easy to answer as it may seem. First bear with me while I educate a bit. Impedance in a speaker is not an absolute thing, it varies by frequency of the signal. That is why we refer to a speakers input in terms of "nominal" impedance. This number represents some form of mathematical average of all the speakers impedances at all it's rated frequencies. A speaker rated at 6 ohms nominal impedance may have it's absolute impedance drop to as low as one ohm or may climb to 50 to 60 ohms. That is why we talk about one speaker as being "difficult to drive" by comparison to another of the same rating. Now on the electronics side, a receiver will be rated at the ideal "nominal" impedance of the speaker that should be connected to it. However it will be capable of driving other loads depending on the stability of it's amps. Yammi receivers tend to have stable amps, so I would say that you are probably OK with that combination.

For my MBR setup I was running a Denon 3801 receiver powering a pair of RF 15 fronts with an RCX 4 center and two RSX5 surrounds with an Energy ESL10 sub. The speaker setup is very similar to what you are proposing to get. The setup sounded excellent, but in my opinion a bit warm for my taste. IMHO the speakers deserved better amps so I experimented with several receivers until landing on... of all things, a Panasonic XR25. The Panny receivers are not quite as feature rich as some, but they have amp sections that have been compared to Krell on the big boards. The XR 75 is Panasonics latest 7.1 and can be had for well under 1K. Might be worth a try. Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/29/2004 9:56:55 AM cablacksmith wrote: There is no magic in the wires. Any good quality wire with good connections and soldering will get the job done. ---------------- I used to be of that opinion until a few weeks ago when my local friendly Klipsch/Rotel/Aragon dealer responded to my comments that "a wire is a wire is a wire" by loaning me a pair of "Straighwire" mid/high end cables to AB against my own very inexpesive but nicely made double shielded cables from KnuKoncepts.com. I am now a believer. There is a difference in the clarity and fullness between the two different brands, so a wire is not just a wire after all. What surprised me was which one we judged to be better! Jerry Rappaport

Yes, I have dealt with Dakmart before with mixed results. My understanding is that they are a catologue/internet outlet belonging to Brandsmart USA, which is also based out of Miami. Brandsmart is a reputable superstore with a strong connection to Denon. I have purchased Denon B stock from Brandsmart and Dakmart before without a hitch. Yes, the 3803 and the 1083 are identical units. Resale should be similar...that is to say crap, regardless of the original sale price. Denon changes models and features so often that the 3801 that I purchased 3 years ago is now mostly a paperweight here in my den. Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/15/2004 9:44:03 AM imahawki wrote: I wont tolerate spending that kind of money on speakers that have horribly audible distortion at below reference levels, but who knows what was actually happening with such a sketchy setup. ---------------- Sounds to me like the receiver was clipping. Could have been a case of the size of the store being so big that the speakers were needing a bunch of power to play that loud. Also, if the receiver was a Denon mid line, be advised that the Denon's really don't put out their rated power. I used to have a 3801 driving my 7 series in my relatively large (<7000 cu ft) listening area. I was able to drive the Denon into clipping without much trouble. Then I replaced the Denon with Rotel separates and have never been able to drive the amps into clipping, it just gets way too loud. Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/17/2004 11:52:52 AM m00n wrote: This is the Klipsch web site and unlike AVS Forum and HTF, Klipsch has their own sub woofers they want/need to sell in order help them run a successful business. Now I realize that Klipsch tends to turn a blind eye on all the SVS talk, thus everyone takes that as a green light to discuss SVS to the N'th degree, however, do you really think Klipsch wants to see it? They tolerate it sure, but that's not the question. This is the Klipsch website and I personally feel, that being the case we should be respectful of that. Ok end rant. ---------------- I fully agree. This area belongs to Klipsch and should stay that way! There is a section of threads for those who want more info about SVS over at the Home Theater Spot. Just be careful there, because unlike here at Klipsch the discussion is not allowed to stray or become even the slightest bit negative to SVS. They have a moderator who frequently jumps in and stirs up trouble, points fingers at the innocent, then deletes the thread. The whole site is run sort of like SVS's whole product line, generally good performance and quality, good customer support but somewhat amaturish execution, and totally lacking focus or class in their product line. And, please note, I am an SVS owner saying that. Jerry Rappaport

Bruinsfan, A 3420 cu ft room is no small challenge for an audio system, especially a subwoofer. I would go with the largest sub you can afford within reason. The amount of bass you mains can deliver is not as much of a governing factor as it would seem. Your subwoofer will be called upon to provide the bottom end of the center and surround channels as well as the entire LFE channel. Yes, a 10 or 12 incher may give you satisfactory auditory bass at subdued listening levels but a 15 incher will be able to pressurize enough air at very low frequencies to give you the tactile sensation that is rapidly becoming an ever more important part of the HT experience. As far as the RFs go, IMHO the presence and effortlessly smooth sound of the RF7s makes them the winner any day of the week over the 5s. Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/15/2004 10:13:48 PM yromj wrote: Jerry, I am only considering the Quintets because I already have them. The RSXs are as much as the RS-25s, too, so that makes them a little less appealing. John ---------------- Sorry I missed that before. I tried the same thing myself because I had a spare pair of Quints arounf from the days when I ran KG's as mains and center. I tried them in my Reference system and found that the timbre match was just way off. The sound would seem to slump a bit in the rear even though I was well volume matched...and even a bit hot. Now I use RS 35s as my rear centers(s). The so called "spraying" effect of the RS as rear surrounds actually works quite well to deliver an enveloping surround effect on THX and PLIIx material. JR

I would try one or two RSX5s instead of the Quints. The RSXs are true reference timbre where the quints have more of a Synergy type sound. One point though, the RSX's are only available in black or silver. Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/10/2004 4:20:52 AM chuckears wrote: I looked into VOOM very thoroughly recently; that is, as thoroughly as one can when you can find NOBODY locally who is using it. Sears is the only retail location where you can take a look at it, and nobody there (even the so-called department manager, a kid half my age) knew anything about it ---------------- You said it! I went to Sears last night to try to get some info and see a picture. I had the man on the floor hand me a brocure and say...call the 800 number! The picture showing in the Voom booth was an SD signal, and as it turns was nothing more than a split off from a master signal feeding all the TVs on the floor through the RF jack of the Mitsu RPTV they were using to supposidly hilite Voom. I asked the man on the floor a few questions and it soon became obvious that he was winging it and really didn't have any knowledge of what he was speaking. I was also somewhat turned off by the kiddy looking remote and the kids toy look of the graphics on the Motorola set top box. So much for Voom, I think I'm stayin where I'm at. JR

Bruinsrme, Thanks for the Velo link. I'm going to check that one out. JR

I currently have Dishnetwork for my HD Sat service provider, but have become unsatisfied with the few channels that they actually provide. I understand that DTV doesn't do too much better, but that a new company....Voom is the way to go for both quantity and quality. Does anyone here subscribe to Voom? Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/9/2004 1:20:18 AM formica wrote: Are you guys sure those subs are smaller than the Energy EXL10 (a little smaller than a 15" cube)? Perhaps an entry model, micro sub, from Sunfire or Carver may be a better choice... Rob ---------------- You have a good point Rob. I am trying to get something smaller than the EXL10 and so far most suggestions are for units approximatly the same size so why bother? The EXL10 is an excellent sub, just a tad too big. As for an entry level Sunfire or Carver, I understand them to be at least in the $600 or up range at best. So far my whole system cost (less the TV) is only about $800.00, I don't necessarily want to double that by adding the sub.

---------------- On 4/8/2004 1:59:25 PM Hard 21 wrote: I'll try to make this the last question on this thread by me. If I get the R7 5.1 rig, will I still be extremely happy with them even if a newer/better version of it comes out soon after I buy it? ---------------- You've got this dis-ease real bad.....Let me make a suggestion. Buy your Ref 7 system and your receiver, get everything set up and working well. Then you can come back here and claim your bragging rights. After that is all done, if you can ban yourself from these boards you will be serene in audio nervana forever....LOL Ignorance is blissful sometimes! However, I will warn...just one peek at a thread about new equipment can make you fall off the wagon!!!!! Jerry Rappaport

Hi Gang, Well, I am in process of setting up 5.1 in my master bedroom. We recently acquired a 46" HDTV and figured it would be a shame not to incorporate big sound with the big picture. So... I purchased a pair of RB15s (after experimenting with RSR5s and RF15s we decided that the RB15s were the best compromise) and a RCX4 as a center and will be installing RCR3s in the ceiling for surrounds. Now on to the all important low end. I am currently using an older Energy EXL10 which does quite a fine job of handeling the bass but is way way too big for a master bedroom. Understaqnd that we don't need the epitome of bass extension or power for THIS system. Just as long as it is clean and relatively inexpensive. Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/7/2004 11:48:28 AM ekbriggs wrote: I have had the chance to play with both of them, almost on a daily basis and personally i think the Hk leaps and bounds better sounding, as well as more powerful, than the panasonic. -Eric ---------------- Eric I had nearly the opposite experience. I think the HK sounded more forward/aggressive. Some may interpret this as more powerful or better sounding. That forwardness/aggressiveness seemed to originate with a bit more emphasis on the midrange than in other HK receivers OR the Pannys. That may be fine for the typical speaker, but with Klipsch Reference ( which are forward and agressive speakers), the sound was not as pleasant as the openess of the Pannys. Just my $.02. JR

---------------- On 4/6/2004 9:38:04 AM glr wrote: If you've seen the inside of both units, you should be correct. I can only relate what I was told and couldn't justify the difference in cost. ---------------- The 1068 taken on it's own, looks very well built on the inside until you look at the guts of the 1098. Then and only then are the cost cutting measures applied to the 1068 apparent. As far as sound goes, if you've owned a 1066 and upgrade to a 1068 you will initially hear a difference, then after a bit of listening it will be hard to remember the difference unless you were to switch back to the 1066. If you then were to move from a 1068 to a 1098 you would hear another improvement. If you were to move directly from a 1066 to a 1098 then the improvement in sound quality and soundstage would be very noticable. The best move of all would be from a 1066 to an Aragon Stage One, now,... that unit sounded real hot....but it is also a grand more than the 1098. Right now I'm saving my pennies to either move to the 1098 or the Stage One. Jerry R

---------------- On 4/6/2004 2:14:54 PM Euell wrote: Vanns is selling the unit for $499 with free shipping http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/538999195?v_c=Shopping Amazon also sells it for that price (through J&R Music and Computer World) - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008EDC9/103-3194405-0936659?v=glance It's also free shipping outside of NY You can get a Panny for 1/2 this price? ---------------- Got my Panny for $239 plus shipping of $13 at J&R in January. I would say that $251 is about half of $499, wouldn't you? Yes, there is a 7.1 version called the XR 45, and I understand there are two new models coming in the XR 50 replacement for the XR25 and the XR75 replacement for the XR50. I have no idea what is new on these two units. Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/5/2004 11:22:06 AM glr wrote: I spoke with a technical rep at Rotel and was told that virtually the only difference between the 1068 and the 1098 is the LCD display and THX certification. I ordered the 1068 last week. ---------------- I would like to know who you spoke to? Right now I'm wondering how reliable your source was. To my understanding neither of the units are THX certified, and the display on the 1098 is TFT not LCD. Also, I've looked inside both units (1068 & 1098) and there are significant differences in the power supplies, shileding, opamps, resistors, build, etc. Jerry Rappaport

I tried that receiver for my Master Bedroom theater and was not overly impressed, so at the suggestion of a friend, I returned it and bought the Panasonic RX 25 for about half the price. The panny's amps are much cleaner IMHO and it is also a bit smaller. My MBR theater now consists of 46" HDTV, Panasonic RX 25, Klipsch RF15 mains, RCX4 center, RsX5 surrounds and an Energy XL10" sub. This hobby becomes like a sickness and spreads! Jerry Rappaport

Heresy or RF7s...that is a hard call. You will need to let your ears and your pocketbook be your guide. As for a center channel, try keeping an eye on eBay or Audiogon for an Academy, they do show up every now and then. That may be a good compromise for you. If you fail to find an academy, then you may want to try a KV3 (or the very rare KV4), they show up more often on eBay. I have a used KV1 for sale, but the KV3 may be a better match just for its output. Jerry Rappaport

Very appropriate question since I was at my local friendly Klipsch dealer this week contemplating a similar decision. To me the sound from the RF15s and the RB35s is nearly a toss up. The RBs have a slightly higher power handeling capability but it is too small to be significant. Don't underestimate the problem you will have finding solid stands for the RBs. Depending on the hight of the stands, cheapos are too light and can be tipsy. Plan to spend at least $100 on something substantial. Also, to be very subjective, should you ever plan to upgrade, I think the resale of the RFs may have an edge. The rest of your setup for cinema use could be a factor. Which center do you plan to use? etc. To me, the look of the RFs is just much better than the RBs on stands. Jerry Rappaport PS my dealer's showroom is larger than you room and both the RF15 and RB35s were able to fill the room with clean sound. Unfortunatly, I am unable to comment on soundstage since they were each setup in different locations, and location effects soundstage tremendously. JR