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I was always under the understanding that it was 20-120 Hz. From my understanding they do put filters on both sides but no filter is 100% full proof so there is always a roll off. Where did you hear that it was a brick wall at 120 Hz?

If you put the spikes on them it will left them up so the black and gold on the feet will show. Hard to compare when they are below the carpet.

Budget?

If you have an optical output on your tv you could run that to your avr. Then on hd channels you will get dolby 5.1 on your local hd channels. Not on most TV's. The majority of TV's with an optical output will still only output stereo... I would disagree I had cheap cable that used no box just ran from the wall. The tv I used was a cheap $500 37” vizio tv. On all the hd local channels like 2.1, 4.1, 5.1, and 11.1 the optical out gave 5.1. This works with just an hd antenna as well. Have a friend with a cheap Sony 40” with just an hd antenna, and he gets 5.1 same with the optical output.

Very nice how does it sound so far?

Klipsch went to a tapered array design(2.5 way) to eliminate the comb filtering that can occur with horizontally imposed speakers. Here is a few threads that explain things a bit. http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/78827/782136.aspx#782136 http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/131169/1326871.aspx#1326871 I believe a 6.5 inch driver will produce better midrange frequencies than an 8 inch especially with dialog which is a center channels main function. Bill I love a good debate as much as anyone. But I think we are just beating a dead horse at this point. Music like movies both have voices it’s no different. And Jason I really feel you’re arguing just argue at this point. No offence but you almost sound like people that argue that hitler was a some kind of genius and not a mad man when you take some of these sides. A Hitler reference! Ladies and Gentlemen...The Klipsch Forums!!!! Lol... Lol I only meant he almost always takes the side against the norm. Hope I didn’t offend anyone. I know it’s harder to pick up on when reading but in all fairness my comment did say ALMOST like people that would argue that. Never did I say you liked or was a fan of hitler. I agree it was a poor choice of words but I was just being sarcastic, and I’m pretty sure you knew what I meant and are just trying to turn it into something it wasn’t. I’m guessing everyone who read it understood me and picked up on the sarcasm. (If you really didn’t then I do sincerely apologize)

Well for starters, he has much nicer gear than me...so, no. It was hard to tell from your profile...Klipsch front and polk surrounds...both of you have a cheesy photo in your profile. General agreement on topics of inerest, JJC giving "credentials" to a new forum member and then asking for his opinion... General entertainment value gets a thumbs up! Future Credability: DENIED! +1 I’m still trying to figure out if the” Sylvania 19" CRT TV (Cinevision model with upgraded board)” is real or some kind of inside joke? I’m the only one?

What does ksf stand for?

If you have an optical output on your tv you could run that to your avr. Then on hd channels you will get dolby 5.1 on your local hd channels.

Lmao corn I never thought of that you could be right.

Klipsch went to a tapered array design(2.5 way) to eliminate the comb filtering that can occur with horizontally imposed speakers. Here is a few threads that explain things a bit. http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/78827/782136.aspx#782136 http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/131169/1326871.aspx#1326871 I believe a 6.5 inch driver will produce better midrange frequencies than an 8 inch especially with dialog which is a center channels main function. Bill I love a good debate as much as anyone. But I think we are just beating a dead horse at this point. Music like movies both have voices it’s no different. And Jason I really feel you’re arguing just argue at this point. No offence but you almost sound like people that argue that hitler was a some kind of genius and not a mad man when you take some of these sides. A Hitler reference! Ladies and Gentlemen...The Klipsch Forums!!!! Lol... Lol I only meant he almost always takes the side against the norm. Hope I didn’t offend anyone.

Never use my tv speakers You’re using hdmi with hd cable?

I do think when the L-C-R speakers are exactly the same and set at the same crossover point and amplified the same, it has to sound better. The front soundstage would be as completely seamless as possible. As seamless as I want to think my front soundstage is(RF-63---RC-64---RF-63), three RF-63's will blend better, just not logistically practical in my space. Bill I think with the old 64 and the rf-63 its going to be pretty close. All the same drivers and the boxes are closer to size then say the rf-82 and the rc-62. But you’re right it would be a perfect match. It’s just impractical in about 95% of rooms. If they didn’t make centers the way they do people would be running 4.1 systems. And just running the fronts as a ghost center. (That’s what I would do)

Klipsch went to a tapered array design(2.5 way) to eliminate the comb filtering that can occur with horizontally imposed speakers. Here is a few threads that explain things a bit. http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/78827/782136.aspx#782136 http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/131169/1326871.aspx#1326871 I believe a 6.5 inch driver will produce better midrange frequencies than an 8 inch especially with dialog which is a center channels main function. Bill I love a good debate as much as anyone. But I think we are just beating a dead horse at this point. Music like movies both have voices it’s no different. And Jason I really feel you’re arguing just argue at this point. No offence but you almost sound like people that argue that hitler was a some kind of genius and not a mad man when you take some of these sides. [6]

When I first got my emo amp I got super bad hiss and noise that I could hear from my lp 12’ away. When I called them they were actually pretty rude about it and blamed my speakers. I was going to send the amp back but before I did I tried running a long cord and used a different wall outlet and the noise went away(lol I wish they would have just told me that instead of blaming my speakers). I still get hiss though but can only hear it if I get about a foot away. But its clean hiss and not noisy. I never heard hiss from my avr when it sat in idle. They told me emo amps have a floor gain of about 40db so that’s the hiss I hear. It is one of the disadvantages of having super high sensitive speakers. They don’t hide anything good or bad.

I’m obviously biased but I have owned both so I’ll give my opinion. The rf-82ii is going to be more than enough for 95% of people, and are amazing ht speakers. Value is tricky because everyone is different how they would spend their money. There is always a better deal or better value around the corner. So imo get what you want and can afford. Then find the best price you can get on it. Also try not to worry too much if there might be a better dollar value out there because I can tell you right now there always will be. If your cool buying used then willand is right you can get something close to the rf-7ii for the cost of the rf-82ii new.

The tapered array crossover is specifically for the problems that are created when you turn a speaker on its side. It has nothing to do with it being a center channel speaker. It’s used to fix an issue not give it an advantage over a 2 way design like the rf-7ii. A little research on the topic and you would know this.

Lol that reminds me of the audio source surround sound processor I bought in the mid-90s. Junk would be a complement when describing it. It also cost me like $400 bucks if I recall. [:@]

Disagree slightly. Why couldn't Klipsch just make cheaper versions of it's THX system? No bulky towers and you could use different drivers, tweeters, crossovers etc to cut cost down the line. The thx system is 100% built for ht. The floor standing designs are for both ht and 2 channel. And I’m honestly a little surprised they haven’t built a smaller more affordable version. I'd be down for a THX Select II HT from Klipsch! I think the center is kind of the deal breaker in that system in most set ups. Plus imo you could spend way less than that buy internet direct subs and have a better set up. I have heard thx system and it does sound great though.

Disagree slightly. Why couldn't Klipsch just make cheaper versions of it's THX system? No bulky towers and you could use different drivers, tweeters, crossovers etc to cut cost down the line. The thx system is 100% built for ht. The floor standing designs are for both ht and 2 channel. And I’m honestly a little surprised they haven’t built a smaller more affordable version.

I think you're missing the point. Sounds like jasonjcarney is arguing that 3 identical across the front isn't hands down better than the above setup with that company's equivalent center channel...he never said it was worse. I tend to side with jasonjcarney for a slightly different reason. I have an extremely hard time believing most people can hear a difference when it comes down to it. Eyes closed i don't believe most people would identify a fronstage consisting of 2 RF-7's and a RC64 as being "worse" than 3 RF-7's. The "real theaters don't use specially designed center channels" argument is garbage to me because the majority of nice theaters sound inferior to a well designed home theater. I personally have a hard time reading through audio threads in particular. One man's "huge improvement" is another man's "I don't hear a difference". I don't like to discount science and specs and numbers, but when I fire up a movie or crank up some tunes, I'm not looking at charts and graphs. I know you guys disagree with eachother, but as far as I'm concerned jasonjcarney's word resonates a bit more with me after admitting a $700 amp didn't do much of anything in his setup. Takes a real solid dude to say that after dropping a fat wad on something everyone else claims blew them away with improvement. On a side note, why does it seem Klipsch went against conventional thinking with the THX system? Smaller form factor, no dedicated center speaker...why not start there and make cheaper versions down the product line and ditch the whole tower speaker/center channel combo altogether? Did Jason send the amp back for a refund? Because if he can’t hear a difference then I’m sure he has. I know i would have sent mine back if I didn’t notice an improvement. I’m not going to take a side on the 3 mains is better or worse. I’m just going to say that 3 identical speakers will have a better chance of sounding the same. That doesn’t guarantee it will sound better to everyone. The rc-52ii imo wouldn’t hold a candle to the floor standing rf-52ii. So 3 rf-52ii would be better. But imo an rc-62ii would be pretty close to an rf-62ii. So probably wouldn’t hear much difference. I do however know that 3 rf-7ii would definitely be better than 2 with an rc-64ii (even though the 64 is amazing). The rf-7ii can do everything the rc-64ii can and more. It’s just a more dynamic speaker top to bottom. Bigger speakers just have an advantage over smaller ones when the quality is equal (Fact). But when the size is close and the materials are close I don’t think there would be a noticeable difference.

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You were right about the increase of 3db every x 2 of power.[] Just not the starting point because of the distance and the way they (speaker manufactures) measure the sensitivity is different than real world applications.

Plus they don’t rate the sensitivity with a full 20-20,000 Hz signal. Most ratings are only measured at 1 kHz. So when you’re running a full signal 1 watt isn’t going to come close to hitting 100db.

You might want to check again - Link The RC-7 is the center that is voice matched to the RF-5's. I stand corrected.