TBrennan

Well Arky Klipsch Pro had made some really nice products over the years and I've always been kind'a mystified that the folks here have had so little interest in them save for a little recent interest in pro Jubilees. You know us Altec-JBL guys have never been bothered by big black or gray boxes in the house. [H]

I dunno Arky, I suppose your local Klipsch pro dealer might help out. But you know they gotta sound pretty good----low distortion and hair trigger dynamics are a given.

Better yet.

Why do you guys even putz around with these RFs and such? Go to the pro side and get some real hammerers. http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/kpt-325.aspx

Listen around and decide for yourself. However were I in the market for Klipsch speakers I'd buy new and I'd buy these. I don't know what they cost but the JBL Pro eqivalent can be bought for $2000 a pair, I imagine these would be about the same. http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/kpt-325.aspx

Freddy----I didn't use the Smiths with the 4648s, they were just sitting there, the 4648s were my subs. When I played with the Smiths I used them with the A5 bottoms, I probably crossed at 800 or so with the DOD, don't remember exactly though.

Feddy---Never heard the system without the rear horns a'goin. Compared to Khorn? I don't know, sounds good----BIG image. Like I said, a Maggie with stones. It's different for sure. I'm glad you're enjoying the Smiths, you using Eminence drivers?

Maron----The basshorn's were built by Paul's (the owner) father back in the 50s from a magazine article. There's a smaller basshorn pointing to the rear, like all the rear facing horns it's wired out of polarity to the front facing ones. Think of a Maggie but with big baitsim.

Most hornies that have heard them hold them in high regard, many JBListas consider them the finest home JBL ever made until very recently. A pal recently had some so I've heard them recently. They go deeper than any of the speakers you mentioned but at the cost of some efficiency and dynamics--- a small cost in dynamics, nothing serious. Upper bass and midrange not quite as clear as the best but certainly excellent, from the woofer to mid crossover on up as clear as any speaker and quite smooth. VERY excellent speakers and selling for more than those you mentioned. If you can get them for a good price grab them. My opinions ya understand.

Chew on this one fellas. My pal's dipolar all horn rig with DIY tractrix horns. All drivers are EV with T-350 tweeters no less. Series crossovers too. She's ugly but she she sure can cook.

"Good decision plus a home provides a more private environment & a larger resell market." A condo is a home. So is a rented apartment, a doublewide, a yurt on the Asian steppes or a cardboard box on lower Wacker Drive. You've a slight infection of real-estatese Arky, you know, like when they say "single family detatched home" instead of the simpler and less pretentious "house". I expect plain-speaking from an Arkansas man. ;-) I don't think you say at the end of the work day "Let's go to the home". ;-)

Don't expect magic from tractrix horns. I used to own a pair of proper Edgar saladbowls and though they were very fine horns to me they sounded no better than Altec 511s and I eventually went back to 511s. I'm talking about when using Altec and JBL drivers. My opinion. A friend of mine makes his own tractrix horns from reinforced foamcore and uses them in an outrageous 4-way DIPOLAR all horn system. One day he brought over some of his horns and we spent an afternoon changing out 1" horns and drivers atop my Altec A5s. We used Altec 806 and 902s and JBL 2420 and LE-175 drivers and Edgar, Altec, McCauley, JBL and the DIY tractrix and DIY Smith horns. Anyway we'd do a change and talk about what we heard different and then funny thing, after a few minutes we were listening to the music and talking about it. ALL the combinations we messed with that day sounded good enough to let us relax and simply enjoy the music. Investigate Smith horns. DIY ones are easy to build and smooth sounding, Freddy I. and Maron know about them My old Edgars are shown atop the A5 bins, the Smith horns are atop the JBL bins with 2427s on them.

I'll fall back on my old argument-----if using different wire can make such a big difference how could something so simple get by Wente, Thuras, Fletcher, Olson, Hilliard, Blackburn, Voight, Lansing, Klipsch and Walker? Maybe one thinks they were too goddam stupid or careless?

It depends. For a year I lived in a newer high rise in Chicago of concrete construction, I was on the top floor and in a corner. The floors were concrete several inches thick and with nobody above me and nobody next to my living room I didn't have to worry about sound. Then I married and moved into my wife's condo in a 1904 12-flat. Had to listen at lower volumes in that building----wooden floors being the main reason. On the other hand there were huge living and dining rooms with wonderful acoustics and the hi-fis sounded very nice. Then I bought another house but I'm out of the habit of cranking it and don't do so very often.

So you have fun with acetylene as well as gasoline. I knew a knothead who'd fill plastic milkjugs with gasoline and gunpowder, stand off a hundred yards and shoot it with a tracer. He lived south of I-80.

Oldtimer----Faulkner yeah. You know he's one of those writers I know I'm supposed to give a shot to but I just can't get very far. Deepest I got into him was a story called "Barn Burning" or something like that, about this Snopes fella. Long time ago. Now that I'm retired I reckon I should be reading stuff like Faulkner, Joyce, Meville and such but now I lack the patience for reading I find a little difficult or that doesn't grab me right off. Been slogging at "Dark Sun" by Richard Rhodes.

"Ole Dtel ain't no novice." What do they say in Arkansas, "Thank God for Mississippi", isn't it?

CS----The Edgars are long gone, a few years ago I sold my house and moved into a high-rise and everything went----tons of Altec, JBL, McCauley, Edgar, EV--- Fisher and ASL tube amps went too. Lots of my horny pals in Chicago got good deals. At one time in the high rise I was down to a Denon receiver and a pair of KRK ST-6s. Now that I'm back in a house I have too much stuff again, looking to get rid of some A7s and some 605As.

"I can assure you dtel was extremely careful with the diesel and gasoline." There's no such thing as being careful starting a fire with gasoline. Take it from me, I know what I'm talking about, I do construction safety. If I saw somebody on a job lighting a fire like that I'd get his money.

Mercury on Bose eh? Some say those old original 901s were the best. Of course you know the Mercury Living Presence were mixed using these.......

DIY----Maron is a horny of long and vast experience. I think he's implying you should can the direct-radiator and get a proper horn midrange. Then you'd have no output problem.

Chris----The last guy I know that had them was Mike "Magnetar" Bates, I traded them to him for a pair of Edgar saladbowls. Then he painted the Peaveys BLACK, can you believe that, just covered all that nice veneer.

Paul----So how's ole Waco Johnny Dean doin'?

Chris---Charleston? Are you the fella that the work on these Peavey FH-1s I used to have that I got from Tom Ronan?

Starting a fire with gasoline and oil is pure idiocy. Every idiot has an excuse, such excuses are often heard in hospitals and at funerals.