Ephemeris

The data is under the "Classic" section of the Home Audio section under products. Classic is where Klipsch lists the specifications on the dozens of models that have been discontinued over the decades they've been in business. http://klipsch.com/index.asp?path=/products/productspecs.asp?frame=y&id=20&line=&1 As an added bonus, Klipsch was nice enough to put a downloadable copy of the Legend manual there. Congratulations on getting the KLF-20s. A lot of us love them (I bought six of them so I must be one of them.) On a different note, was there ever an impedance curve published for the KLF-20? If so, I'd love to see it. This message has been edited by Ephemeris on 10-08-2001 at 09:06 AM

Just received a bag of 12 grill guides from Parts Express ($2.40 a bag plus shipping, great place for getting supplies ) The 260-367 do indeed appear to be identical to those on my KLF-20s. My first pair of KLF-20s were floor samples with a broken male guide on one. I took them and my dealer (Stereo Types, nice folks) ordered a complete replacement grill to replace the damaged one for free. I kept the damaged grill and now I have a perfectly good spare! Life is good. By the way, I'm probably the only one who missed it, but I just noticed that pretty old style Klipsch medallion on the legend is solid metal. Classy touch! (What were they thinking going to the oval logo anyway?) Was the legend the last design to use the old badge? Anyway, I just wanted to thank TalkToKeith for this great tip plus it seems good to bring this thread back to the top every few months so people can find it. KLF-C7 center KLF-20 front, side and rear (all medium oak) This message has been edited by Ephemeris on 10-01-2001 at 03:43 PM

Samuel, you have my sympathies. I for one have never understood the "black thing" with audio gear. And most women just cringe when you suggest putting something the size of a Klipsch tower or lord forbid Heritage speaker in black in their house. (Yeah, yeah some women are okay with it...) But in general large black chunks of cabinetry are decorating nightmares. (No flame intended and if black cabinets make you happy please enjoy them.) And as long as we're on the subject, can we please please please bring back the medium oak finish and use it on the Reference line if only as a special order item? Otherwise the RSW subwoofers won't match my lovely set of six medium oak KLF-20s and matching KLF-C7. Good luck! This message has been edited by Ephemeris on 09-13-2001 at 07:26 PM

Several of us are running dual rear surround speakers. In my case I've got two KLF-20s as rear surrounds attached to my Denon 3801. As best as I can tell, the two rear speakers are fed the same signal. (If that's true, they'll suffer from the usual combing effects.) Has anyone experimented with reversing the phasing on one of the rear surrounds to make it more difficult to localize? Obviously this question only applies to 6 channel processing systems. Just wondering...

Doster, this is B-A-D. I sympathize since I had almost exactly the same problem with some KLF-20s I "won" a few weeks ago. See this thread for details: http://216.37.9.58/cgi-bin/ubb/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum9&topic=001368 And yes I wondered the same thing about the legal aspects. I thought auctions were required to have the items before they sell them. Good luck.

Cyber, I do use KLF-20s for surrounds but to be honest I did it as much for decorating esthetics as sound. There are definitely two camps on it. Here's a rough summary from memory: The current conventional wisdom says use purpose built surrounds (e.g. bipole, dipole, WDST, etc. speakers) for surrounds. This seems to be based on the assumption that DVDs and VHS tapes are mixed with surround channels designed for diffuse (hard to localize) playback. However, if you go with this reasoning, it means that it will be hard for the listener to localize something in the surround channel even when the recording engineer intends you to. Curiously, you also see recommmendations to us of full range monopoles for SACD and DVD-A playback. I take this as indicating that the recording engineers may want localized sounds in the surrounds. On the other hand, the Audio Engineering Society, Sterophile Magazine and Horned seem to think the left/center/right/left surround/right surround should all be identical full range speakers for home theater. What do I make of it? I think we're dealing with a legacy issue of sorts caused by the early adoption of the satellite/sub model espoused by THX and others during the formative Pro-Logic era. Properly mixed 5 channel soundtracks played back through monopole speakes are capable of having localized and diffuse sounds in the surrounds through proper mixing. The real question is what do the guys doing the mix think it's going to be played back on? My personal hope is that we'll move back toward the assumption of identical monopoles in the front and back. I say this for a few reasons: 1) I think this would be the most flexible solution. 2) Obviously timbre matching issues pretty much go away when you use identical speakers front and rear 3) Power going to the rears seem to keep going up and I hate to worry about hurting the usually less efficient rear speakers. Naturally, there are circumstances that clearly preclude the use of monople surrounds. The obvious one is the common situation where the listener's couch is backed up against the rear wall in the HT and the surrounds (for whatever reasons) have to be mounted on said rear wall. I also think the use of the monopoles for surrounds becomes less controversial the farther they are from the listening position. My KLF-20s are about 15 feet out (and about 20 degrees back) and the effect seems reasonably good. I hope that helps some This message has been edited by Ephemeris on 09-02-2001 at 11:32 AM

Thanks for the sympathy and the lead to onecall.com (interesting site). BobG found me an authorized dealer who had one set left in the boxes who's willing to help me out. Thanks Bob! (That's what I call real customer service.) So, long story short, after a lot of trials and tribulations, I'm on my way to being a happy camper with six KLF-20s and KLF-C7 And yes Boa12, I'm driving it all with a Denon-3801. How'd you know???

This is my first post, but I've been lurking for quite a while. This site has been a great source of info. My thanks to all of you! My HT uses a KLF-C7 center, four KLF-20s for front (R/L) and surrounds (R/L), and two RS-3s in back. I wanted to experiment with using another pair of KLF-20s in back instead of the RS-3s (this is as much for decorating as sound reasons ) Two weeks ago I saw uBid had medium oak KLF-20s up for bid. I bid $309 each and won the auction. A week goes by and it's still "in process". I send an e-mail about it and they e-mail me back saying they didn't actually have the speakers! To add insult to injury, in the intervening week, another lot of KLF-20s came and went on uBid (I don't recall the finish) and this time there was a "reserve price". And interestingly, the reserve price was greater than the $309 I "successfullly" bid. ::sigh:: Ah well, the system sounds great as is, and I get to keep the money. Meanwhile if you have a lead on a pair of medium oak KLF-20s drop me a line This message has been edited by Ephemeris on 08-30-2001 at 04:46 PM