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I would say that you are going to have to look for a new setup...Those speakers don't handle much power, so I doubt you'll be able to find something that decodes the lossless formats and doesn't have more power than those can handle safely. I'm not familiar with the connections on it tho, so you may be able to rig something up...I really don't think so tho...

^^^good to know.

I would say concert DVDs are mixed a bit differently, but I could be wrong...That's a good question.

You could probably do it yourself as long as you are careful.

The thing definitely isn't all that pretty, but I like how it sounds. I'm sure you will enjoy yours =^)

From the Audyssey FAQ on AVS: c)5. What is the LPF of LFE and what should it be set to? First of all, Audyssey doesnt touch this setting. Neither is it a Crossover, although you will often see it described as such. It stands for Low Pass Filter of the Low Frequency Effects Channel. The Low Frequency Effects (LFE) channel is the .1 in a 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 audio track and it carries special content put there by the content mixer. The Low Pass Filter is the filter that is applied to that content. The content is authored up to 120Hz so the only setting that is correct for this is 120Hz. If you set it to anything below 120Hz then any content between 120Hz and whatever you set it to is lost. It is not redirected anywhere it is simply discarded. This filter has nothing to do with any speaker Crossovers etc and it is not set by Audyssey. The only reason it is in the FAQ is that people often think that Audyssey has set it and they confuse it with their speaker Crossovers. Just set it at 120Hz and leave it there.

^^^But besides it being loud, are emotiva amps a good match for klipsch? I've still be looking at Marantz as I've heard they are a good match sound wise with klipsch speakers...

I heard that deep driving bass helps the healing process. Could be hearsay tho =^P

^^^pretty much what we have all been saying =^) It took me 3 hours! Ok, maybe not =^P MS paint ftw. This sounds about right.

Ha, so I was mostly right =^P I guess I was correct the first time in saying it's possible to lose some of the LFE info.

That's kinda odd...I wonder why they set it up like that...Most AVRs (that I've read about) have 10hz steps...

Let us know if you stumble upon anything =^) And Youthman, I hope I didn't offend you at all. I was not saying that your setup was 'wrong' by any means. Just from what I have read it's possible that you may be missing out on some of what your subs can do. If you've already tried it the other way and didn't find it to your liking then that's just how it is, because in the end all that matters is how it sounds to you =^)

The settings I have now seem to work well for me in both areas so I haven't messed with it that much. Music is going to be a different beast because there isn't that dedicated LFE channel, so the crossover points aren't necessarily going to be the same as with HT. Again, it's really going to come down to your preference but from what I've read when it comes to music, setting the crossover lower on the sub will probably be better for most. I would probably start with 60 on mains, 80 for sub and go from there. I just don't listen to music much on my HT, so I really haven't experimented with the settings in those regards...but when I do listen to music, I set my AVR to stereo.

The sub will still play everything from 80-120 and the mains will still play down to 80hz. It should look something like the pic below. As you can see in the sweet diagram (=^P) the amount of shared frequencies is quite low. The mains will roll off into the sub and vice versa. This is where you get the 'blend'. The hard part is finding the sweet spot that sounds the best to you in your room, but according to THX, this point should be it or at least the best starting point.

It could have been because you still had your mains set to full (?), so there was just too much overlap going on such as the guy suggested in the articles you posted previously. I dunno tho, different strokes as they say =^) I do like how mine is set up and I think it blends together nicely. To anybody out there, It's worth a shot as you can always go back to how it was set up previously =^)

It just depends on what you like I suppose. Basically, the sub is designed to handle all of those low notes. I agree that some of the bigger mains can handle the low notes, but not in the same way that a designated sub does. In an *HT* setup, the sub is 'supposed' to handle the LFE, not the mains. Some people don't like this idea because they are thinking, "why the heck do I have RF-7IIs with big ol speakers in them if I don't utilize them???" Those are for 2 channel music =^)

I completely agree. Just for an FYI, THX recommends everything at 80hz and sub at 120hz.

Count me in too. I learn something new everyday. I just did some Googling... Check out these two articles: Basic Subwoofer Setup Guide NOT for Dummies Setting hte Subwoofer / LFE Crossover For Best Performance Granted, this is only one source and one person's opinion, but his advice is what I've ever read. Here are some points he makes that I agree with... I can see where you are coming from, and I don't disagree. Again, it comes down to preference, and it appears that you have found yours. It just gives people more things to try out and see if they like how it sounds. I personally really can't tell much of a difference when I have my main speakers on full or 60 or 80 for that matter...My critical listening is a bit out of practice...

The point of crossovers is to find the point where your speakers blend together the best. If you set everything to 120hz, then you will actually miss out on some frequencies because crossovers aren't perfect and you will get something like the pic below. If you put them all to full range, your AVR is just going to send everything to every speaker so they will end up getting frequencies they may not be designed to handle causing clipping and just being less efficient.

I could be getting all backwards here...you are correct in saying that the mains will still play down to 60, so basically the bass should be 'doubling up' from 120 hz(where your sub starts) down to 60hz(where your mains end) and then the sub will take everything below that. So I believe I could have been incorrect before in saying that you could be missing some of the sounds if your sub's crossover is too low, you just aren't going to get the power and bigger rumble in the range that isn't going to your sub. So in Youthman's case, he is missing out on the power his sub could be putting out between 50-120hz probably missing out on a more dynamic sound from them. If your mains have their own big subs, you probably aren't going to be missing out on as much, but for my RF-82 IIs, they may go down to 33hz, but also aren't going to rumble at 80hz like a sub will. I hope I'm making sense, and I may be contradicting myself a bit, but I'm just trying to recall what I had read. There was a big discussion about this on the AVS forum, but I don't remember which thread and I think there were some different view points which is probably why I may be giving contradicting information. It's possible it was in the Audyssey thread where people were discussing where to adjust crossover points after running the program.

A. If you are utilizing the LFE (.1 channel), then all of the sounds dedicated to the sub channel in the mix should go to the sub channel, so if my memory is correct, yes you could be missing some of the stuff that is supposed to go there by cutting off the frequency too low. I could be incorrect in this as the AVR *should* (but may not) still send those frequencies elsewhere, but if you do send those frequencies elsewhere, it could make the other speakers work overtime and the sub wouldn't really be utilized as it should be. B. It shouldn't as the crossover should still recognize it as being the sub (.1 channel)

Read my posts! =^P

I could very well be wrong but I would think they would suggest 120Hz for both your pre/pro and for your sub xovers. Just seems too high to me. But then again, I'm not an audiophile either. Having a lower crossover may work better for music, but the 120 for movies is highly recommended.

I could very well be wrong but I would think they would suggest 120Hz for both your pre/pro and for your sub xovers. Just seems too high to me. But then again, I'm not an audiophile either. They were telling him to turn off the crossover on the sub and just use the crossover on the pre/pro. No reason to double up, and it's better to let the AVR do the work so it sends the correct frequencies to the correct speakers.

@Youthman, you should really try raising the crossover on your subs up to 120 and see how you like it. I think you will see (hear) a whole lot more from your subs if you give them more to play with.