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---------------- On 12/20/2003 12:34:25 AM prodj101 wrote: lol, fabulous=color blind? that "yellow" is totally green! ---------------- LOL...edited just for you. When I was putting putting it up I accidentally closed out the Blueprint graph that was yellow, when I redid it for some reason I chose green instead but yellow was stuck in my head. I guess my AV15's have been rattling my brain more than I realized. On a seperate note, if anyone checked out the link I gave for the Blueprint sub you might have noticed a sub named the AL1804. After www.audioliquidators.com bought out the remaining stock of Blueprint subs, they got lots of emails asking for the 1803 which they didn't have. So what they did is they bought the remaining 1803 parts and put together their own version and they're selling it for $260 shipped. Not to shabby for an 18" with 25mm one way Xmax that's works well in relatively small boxes, T/S parameters are available at the site.

---------------- On 12/19/2003 9:30:36 PM TheEAR wrote: Frankie, Your idea is anything but a micro sub,and keep the chainsaw home.A true micro sub internal volume is under 1 cu ft. Your so called micro subs border the large. Like it or not the Sunfire Signature does the job and no DIY competes in this size,and this including the amp. ---------------- Well my ideas of micro have been skewed with what I've been building lately, I don't think 1 cu ft is too large. The Sunfire does it job and does it well, but I think DIY can compete in terms of performance. The main problem with building your own microsub it starts to get expensive and the bang/buck ratio starts to plummet.

The green is the Blueprint and the blue is the SVS.

---------------- On 12/9/2003 12:20:27 PM larrymaher wrote: Im looking for 1 or 2 micro-type subs to go with my home theater setup. Klipsch rf3-ii's fronts rc-35 center, rs-25 rears. I had larger subs, but need the space so I want to use a micro. or two I know about sunfire. What could I do in the 1000-1500 range dollar wise. I have a large room with vaulted 15' ceiling. 24' by 16' rectangular in shape opening to kitchen thanks for your help . I like the idea of 2 smaller 9" cubes, say the smaller sunfires. ---------------- Have you considered DIY or having someone build for you? I've been toying with the notion of adding another sub to my system but with me already having two 6' tall enclosures in the room I need something to be small. Here's what I've been thinking up for a killer micro sub: - 2 Blueprint 1003's - 2 Stryke 12" 970 PR's with 500g each - Either a Samson S2000(1000Wx2) or I was thinking of trying the Buttkicker amp for sub duty - The enclosure it would only be 1 cubic foot(internal) and with those particular PR's it would be tuned to 22.5Hz. I was thinking of using 1' MDF all around. I was thinking of putting the drivers on oppossing sides and the PR's on oppossing sides, this way all mechanical forces on the enclosure cancel out. The cost of MDF, woofers, PR's, and amp would come around $1K. If you didn't want to do the woodworking, I would contact www.rutledgeaudiodesign.com or www.acoustic-visions.com to see what they charge to build it for you and do the cutouts, then all you'd need to do is simply screw pieces into the box, let's say it costs $200-250 for them to build it(just a guess) you'd come within your budget and have a micro sub with no peer(at least that I know of). Check out the attachment below...it's compares WinISD's anechoic estimate of the Blueprint sub with 2000 watts to an original SVS CS driver in a 5.25 cu ft enclosure tuned to 17.3Hz(what I built formy brother) with 250 watts(what they recommended).

---------------- On 12/18/2003 11:38:36 AM m00n wrote: you most likely will not be as embarrased as me when I ask, what is CES? My guess it stands for Consumer Electronic Show... Yeah? ---------------- You got it.

---------------- On 12/17/2003 9:15:43 PM JamesDL wrote: Thanks for your input, Frank - looks like I will probably go for the PB2+. I think I like the polymer finish over the fabric covering, so that works out. Thanks again, James ---------------- No problem James. I did a little searching on the subject because I know TV's answered this before. Here's his response on the the subs: "(with both set to 20hz extension)The PB-2+ will have a 4-5dB edge on the single Ultra in the 25-100hz range. In the 16-25hz range it would be a lot closer...with the PB-2+ still holding a slight advantage. So dual PB-2+ models would have a 8-10dB edge over the single Ultra from 25hz and up...or about the same clean output as 3 Ultras." Also, the preorder on the PB2 Ultra and PB1 Plus is suppossed to start this week. The PB2 Ultra is going to be similar in size to the PB2 Plus but it will house tw of the TV-1's(the CS Ultra/SS woofer). SVS mentioned something about a built in parametric eq but they said it wasn't for certain, it will also be offered 5 different finishes. The final price hasn't been released yet but the target was somewhere around $2k.

---------------- On 12/17/2003 3:47:03 PM Sanman023 wrote: im thinking about getting the rc 3 for my center channel...i found a great deal at the local ht shop....but i dont know how they will sound with ksb 3.1's.....anyone think that this is a bad combination...im not looking to upgrade my fronts until next year....thanks in advance for any suggestions.... ---------------- The two speakers sound very different, I don't think I would mix them. If you are lookign for a better center than the recommended KSC-C1, I think the KSF-C5 matches the KSB3.1's well(actually I think it's a better match than the KSC-C1) and it's a much better center than the KSC-C1.

---------------- On 12/17/2003 1:01:33 AM batibot wrote: hey ...another stupid question : can I split the lfe output from the denon 1604 for the line level input for rw12 I just wanna hear my rf3II if it will sound different cuz my receiver cutz the lfe at 80hz!? ---------------- Yup, plenty of people use splitters with no problem. Do you have it hooked up throught the speaker level inputs now?

---------------- On 12/17/2003 10:12:37 AM JamesDL wrote: If the PB2 is louder and less expensive, what are any advantages to the Ultra? Is it more musical or accurate? I listen almost exclusively to music, but enjoy movies every once in a while, and I do like it loud, usually around 100 db (I try to be careful with my ears though...). However, I would rather choose a better quality sound than a few db's of loudness, so is the PB2 still superior in this regard? Thanks, James ---------------- I compared a single 20-39CS Plus(same woofer in the PB2 Plus ) to a single CS Ultra(w/TV12) in my system and it gives you a perfect example of the law of diminishing returns. The CS Ultra is the best subwoofer I know of if you want the most output with a small footprint. There was only an audible difference between the two when I was deliberately pushing the 20-39CS Plus' limits with demanding material, on most material they sounded essentially the same. When pushed to the limits the Ultra handles complex passages with an authorative ease, but these were levels past 115dB at the seating position so on most material there wasn't much of a difference. To get about 1-2dB more clean output I had to pay ~40% more, at the time I just wanted to hear the TV-12 driver but if I had to do it over again I think should have just gone for dual 20-39CS Plus. If both subs are in their stock tune, 20Hz for the Ultra and 25Hz for the PB2 Plus, the PB2 Plus will roll off sooner but it will still hold the advantage in clean output.

---------------- On 12/9/2003 12:20:27 PM larrymaher wrote: Im looking for 1 or 2 micro-type subs to go with my home theater setup. Klipsch rf3-ii's fronts rc-35 center, rs-25 rears. I had larger subs, but need the space so I want to use a micro. or two I know about sunfire. What could I do in the 1000-1500 range dollar wise. I have a large room with vaulted 15' ceiling. 24' by 16' rectangular in shape opening to kitchen thanks for your help . I like the idea of 2 smaller 9" cubes, say the smaller sunfires. ---------------- Can't the Sunfire Sig be bought within that price range, it packs a good punch for it's size and is worthy of consideration. What are the absolute limits of size?

You're not going to find anything comparable for $100.

---------------- On 12/16/2003 1:52:58 AM jzoz01 wrote: You guys are missing something here. True the RW12 is a better sub, but it's not a better match. You need to look at crossover frequencies. The 10 will go higher than the 12, which is important considering that the quintets roll off very sharply under 100hz. ---------------- The rated upper end limit of both the RW10 and RW12 is 120hz.

---------------- On 12/15/2003 7:47:07 PM JamesDL wrote: I've been looking at subs for a while now, and was originally considering the SVS 20-39 PC+ but recently decided to up my budget and go for either the CS-Ultra package or the PB2+. What is the difference between these two subs? I currently have RB-75's as my mains, and an HK 525 reciever. My room is 15 feet wide, and about 35 feet long. However, I will be moving next year to an apartment of as of yet unspecified dimensions. Thanks James ---------------- Assuming 8' ceilings your room is big(over 4000 cu ft), I would I'd go for the PB2-Plus over a single CS Ultra. The difference I heard between a single 20-39CS Plus and a single CS Ultra was only apparent when I was pushing the CS Plus near it's limits. With dual dB-12 drivers vs the single TV-12 for around same price it's a tough choice but given that we own Klipsch here says something about our listening habits(meaning you probably like to crank it up). The PB2-Plus is going to have more clean output >25Hz and it will also add an adjustable subsonic filter and variable phase, I think that would be my choice given that it's also $100 cheaper.

While they aren't an authorized dealer, they do back up the manufactuer's warranty themselves.

---------------- On 12/13/2003 4:22:44 AM kenratboy wrote: TB: Do you think I should buy the new Parts Express plate amp for $400 (500 watts @ 8 ohms) and try that? ---------------- You could easily get more power for your money if consider a pro amp like Samson, QSC, or Crown. I bought a 750Wx2 scratch & dent Samson S1500 for $370 shipped from zzounds.com just to give you an idea of their $/watt ratio.

I got lucky with mine since it already came with Easy Pour logos...no need to finish it.

---------------- On 12/12/2003 2:31:08 AM Professor.Ham.Slap wrote: About how much does sonotube run you? Things have recently changed and I can't put the AV-15s into an infinite baffle config so now I'm looking at putting together a dual driver sonotube. ---------------- I bought a 12' section of 18" diameter tube for $70. Not too bad since I made three subs out of it.

---------------- On 12/10/2003 1:51:56 PM KAiN5 wrote: Our home theater room is about 15 feet by 14 feet. Will the SVS PB2-ISD be enough to provide gut-wrenching bass or will I need the SVS PB2-Plus? ---------------- Even assuming high ceilings a PB2-ISD should rock the room pretty good, it's probably more than most need.Consider the Nousaine list and how well the original 20-39CS(300w) did. It scored 109.5dB in the 25-63hz average with 10% distortion, if you were to do dual 20-39CS' you'd add 6dB and get 115.5dB, you'd be the top performer on the list. Now consider since then SVS has switched to a more capable driver and the endcaps and tubes have been upgraded since then too. The PB2-ISD is similar in performace to dual 25-31PCi's, with 25hz tuning it's optimized for the most clean output from 25hz and up, so if you were to compare a 20-39 to a 25-31, the 25-31 would have more clean output from 25hz and up so it would score an even higher 25-63Hz average. Another thing is all these measurements were taken in a 7500ft^3 which is going to be quite a bit larger than your room unless yours is not closed off. So considering all this I think 116dB for the PB2-ISD would be a conservative estimate on this list...all this for $900 makes the PB2-ISD one of the best sub bargains I've ever seen.

---------------- On 12/9/2003 10:59:41 PM Canin2323 wrote: I was looking at the manual and it had a diagram that had dual SVS subs that were connected to the samson. in the diagram it used two 1/4 to Rca and a y-adapter. Couldn't u just use one cable from the amp to the reciever?(BTW is this called daisy chaining?) ---------------- Sure you could use just one cable, just use any input 1 or 2 on the Samson amp and set the switch on the back to parallel.

---------------- On 12/5/2003 1:27:55 AM formica wrote: Sweet... now that's a data list!! Do you have more info on those DIY subs that were tested? just curious... ---------------- No I don't have much on them...the only thing I think I know about is TV's 30" ICBM. I know it's was 30" sonotube using 4 12" woofers with a single 12" port. I think it was using Hsu ASW1201 drivers but I'm not too sure on that. I believe this is one pic of it, I saw this pic somewhere else and bookmarked the page cause it looked cool.

---------------- On 12/9/2003 12:54:23 PM whadyasay wrote: Thanks for replying, Frankie. The listening area is about 15'x18' with 10' high celings. I live in a studio apt. in NYC, and it has a small alcove area off to the side, and it extends back. I guess I'd be looking for a good combination of the qualities you described above. I was even thinkiong of getting a dedicated 8-inch sub (like the Velodyne CHT-8) just for music, but I'd be pushing the space limitations of my place w/ two subs. ---------------- I think either the Hsu or Adire sub I mentioned would be better for music or HT. If you want something better for HT, go with the Hsu. If you want something better for music, go with the Adire. I would choose both of them over all the CHT subs except CHT-15.

---------------- On 12/9/2003 4:19:09 AM whadyasay wrote: Hi All, I've had my JBL PB10 for about three years, and I'm looking to see if there's anything better under $400.00. I'd like to keep it a 10" (space restrictions), and overall, I'd like things to be tighter/faster and less boomy (I've tried all the different room placements), especially on music. Volume on the PSB is plenty (I have the volume usually at the 11 o'clock position). I was looking into the Yamaha YST-SW315, but there's not a whole lot of info or reviews on them. Both the Yamaha and the Velodyne CHT-10/8 are available in my area. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ---------------- See my post on the Hsu sub available at CompUSA. Another good subwoofer is the Adire Audio Rava, that is $399. It is a sealed sub which makes it great for music but the Hsu will go lower which would be favorabe for HT. It also means it will count on some room gain to get good extension...what are the dimensions of your room? TheEar also tested out and liked some of the Polk PSW subs, I haven't heard them but I and most here trust his judgement.

---------------- As you can see, the DIY world can give us some really nice subs when you really think about many solutions, not only huge "easy pour" finished, huge cylinder or huge boxes (Ears doesnt seem to like them and he has often those thoughts when we talk about DIY subs hehe )... however, we must have time and for some designs, a lot of it ---------------- Hey...what's wrong with Easy Pour? I spent like $70 buck for 12ft of those Easy Pour logos.

I have the Sound & Vision disc and the Ultimate DVD Platinum. I find a setup disc a necessary tool to properly calibrate the speakers in a home theater. After you purchase one of these discs, make sure you purchase an SPL meter from Radio Shack to calibrate the levels of all your speakers. BTW, if I had to purchase a disc now, I'd buy Digital Video Essentials(make sure it's not the older Video Essentials).

---------------- On 12/3/2003 3:59:25 PM Ufdah wrote: I'm building a new house this summer and have the opportunity to go to a 7.1 speaker setup in a 14'x19' room and would like some advice on what to do with my speakers. This is a theater only setup, little to no music listening will go on in this room. I currently have: Center: KSC-C1 Mains: KSB-1.1 Surrounds: KSB-1.1 x4 Sub: DIY Adire Audio Tempest I only have about $300 to upgrade speakers which I know is very limited but it's all I've got. Would I be better off keeping all the same speakers as I have (perfectly matched), or go to KSB-3.1's for the mains? Will it make a difference for movies or just music? I recognize that most of you would recommend I save my pennies and upgrade to the reference series a piece at a time but my wife doesn't understand the NEED for good sound and therefore has put a ban on system upgrades for the next couple years (at least 5). Thanks for the input. ---------------- I think you have the right idea, try to look for some KSB3.1's. I think they are one of the most underrated Klipsch speakers made, and they can be found cheap. It is a worthy upgrade over the KSB1.1.