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just came here to post that^:
Unfortunately, I am no longer allowed to sell the K-402 horns by itself. This was passed down to us a couple of hours ago. We have been instructed to offer the complete unit, KPT-402-HF or MF, with a K69 driver. The price on a KPT-402 is $1,078.65 each plus shipping. I apologize for the inconvenience. If you have any questions about this, you may reach out to Roy Delgado at Klipsch, roy.delgado@klipsch.com.
Looks like Klipsch doesn't want my business anymore then, because i am not going to pay that, and then swap out drivers, and crossovers. I will have to either look at used horns or go to Danley, and give them my hard earned cash.
I guess that customers whose horns get damaged will have to buy a completely new setup due to Klipsch policy.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you own a catalogued Klipsch speaker that uses the k402, and your horn is damaged, you can get a replacement horn only.
Just to clarify the purchase of K-402's as replacements is this quote from Spencer: "I understand that you are in need of replacement K402 horns for your KPT-402-MF or HF speakers. I think there’s been a misunderstanding among the Klipsch forum group. Klipsch will allow us to sell individual parts as long as it is being purchased as a replacement for a complete unit, such as your case. We just want to avoid situations where people are buying parts to build their own speakers. There have been cases where competitors have done this with Klipsch parts."
So you would have to have something from the pro line that utilizes the K402 such as the MCM, KPT-745, KPT-445, Jubilee, KPT-535, or the KPT-932. What if someone was wanting to upgrade their older models to the newer better sounding horn?
I don't have an entire system such as KPT-MCM-II-Q THX, but Roy was okay with selling me the replacement K-402's after I sent in photo's with serial numbers. the old K-402's were manufactured in 1999. The material used on these early versions is subject to warping from heat and I suspect excessively brittle judging by numerous cracks that were present when I purchased them. According to Roy Delgado "The current horns are made of a different material. Much stiffer." For the cost it made sense to replace the 402's with versions that are tougher and a lot more ascetically pleasing.
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just came here to post that^:
Unfortunately, I am no longer allowed to sell the K-402 horns by itself. This was passed down to us a couple of hours ago. We have been instructed to offer the complete unit, KPT-402-HF or MF, with a K69 driver. The price on a KPT-402 is $1,078.65 each plus shipping. I apologize for the inconvenience. If you have any questions about this, you may reach out to Roy Delgado at Klipsch, roy.delgado@klipsch.com.
Looks like Klipsch doesn't want my business anymore then, because i am not going to pay that, and then swap out drivers, and crossovers. I will have to either look at used horns or go to Danley, and give them my hard earned cash.
I guess that customers whose horns get damaged will have to buy a completely new setup due to Klipsch policy.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you own a catalogued Klipsch speaker that uses the k402, and your horn is damaged, you can get a replacement horn only.
Just to clarify the purchase of K-402's as replacements is this quote from Spencer: "I understand that you are in need of replacement K402 horns for your KPT-402-MF or HF speakers. I think there’s been a misunderstanding among the Klipsch forum group. Klipsch will allow us to sell individual parts as long as it is being purchased as a replacement for a complete unit, such as your case. We just want to avoid situations where people are buying parts to build their own speakers. There have been cases where competitors have done this with Klipsch parts."
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I've also gone active without too much expense or difficulty getting it all set up. In fact, it was very enjoyable learning how to do it. I'm definitely not an expert and probably never will be. I admit that I've a lot more to learn and at times it's a pain. But the reward in sound quality more than makes up for any frustration. Going active even saved money by increasing the quality of my stock Belle's to such an extent that I won't be needing expensive upgrades. And I did it for less than the cost of a custom built set of passive crossovers.
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I'm in the process of refinishing KP-250A speakers. The ports measure exactly 2.85" without paint.
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I'm a fan of the "Big band" sound. I just purchased these CD's from Amazon Prime for my Christmas music collection.
Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band "A Big Phat Christmas Wrap This!"
Count Basie Orchestra "A Very Swingin' Basie Christmas!"
The Big Phat Band got me in the mood despite it being pre-Thanksgiving!
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Online glass from "One Day Glass - Peninsula Glass Company" is very reasonably priced. 3 years ago it cost $129.78 for 1/4" tempered glass for both Khorns, that's including the $33.00 FedEx cost.
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Perhaps the $330 billion psychiatric industry has something to do with this?
Cui bono - Commonly the phrase is used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward financial gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may have successfully diverted attention to a scapegoat... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono
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The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.
The underlying reason is simply psychotropic drug induced insanity.
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I've looked at the Gjallarhorn and many others. Unfortunately, I don't have the space. With the capability of 130dB from 14Hz to 120Hz it could probably simulate an earthquake! I'm thinking a couple of Danley Spuds would do the trick or something similar.
I've also installed a Kramer VS-4X to totally bypass the HT preamp for the main LR front stacks. XLR cables go directly from either OPPO 95 / 105 > VS-4X > Yamaha SP2060 > amps> 3-way stack or push the button and the 3-way stacks are incorporated into the HT system via HDMI. Pretty neat for A/B comparison listening tests. Many recordings seem to sound better without the HT preamp intervention.
I also experimented with A/B listening comparisons using the BMS 4592ND-MID, K-69A and the K-1133 in the K-402's. They all sound great, but in my opinion the K-1133 is the overall best of the three, The BMS is a close second,
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Here's an update for all of you MWM fanatics!
After setting them up in April, I went active 2-way using a DX38 with K-69A's on the 402's. That worked out okay... But, it was missing a lot. The next step was to set it up with a Yamaha SP2060 and Faital pro hf10ak drivers on QSC waveguides as tweeters. That worked out okay too... But, it was still missing something... The next major change was to use K-1133 drivers on the 402's. This last change did the trick... So, it all worked really well!
Most recently I've gone active with my two Belle center channel set-up. Thanks to Chris A for posting all the settings using the DX38.
Going active on the center made Blu-Ray's simply amazing. For high quality Blu-Ray CD's the system turned into a "goose bump" machine! It literally raises the hairs on the back my neck, it's getting close to "live", with the few Blu-Ray recordings that I've listened to. This one's really good: Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band Swingin' For The Fences.
I'm also using very inexpensive amps: Crown XLS 100, Carvin DCM600 and a Hafler Pro 1200. Only the Crown was purchased new. For MWM the Crown works great? And for $159.00 on Amazon!!!
For now, I've disconnected the bottom MWM. It just didn't make a whole lot of difference in numerous A to B tests. Using both bins shined when I did a test where I opened up both patio doors and took a walk 100 yards down into the ravine behind the house. It was amazingly clear... But, in the room it just isn't needed.
My next update will be to get another Yamaha SP2060. I suppose it could be considered 4 way with the addition of two horn sub woofers. Anyone have any ideas on what subs would be the best match for my current stack? I'd also like to use the subs with a planned future build of 2 Q-Pies.
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I purchased a set of "On-Stage Stands Ss-7322B Adjustable Wall Speaker Bracket - Pair" to mount KP-250 speakers on the wall of my son's room.
The KP 250 's have pole mounting brackets built into them. But, I also noticed that they make an attachment to the Ss-7322B to mount speakers without pole mounting capability. Ebay sells them as well as Sweetwater ($59.00). These brackets are rated for 80#.
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I just completed converting my Belle's to "active" with a DX38. It was too easy thanks to Chris A's parameters listed on page 1.
A couple of weeks ago I purchased Gordon Goodwin's "Swinging for the Fences". I've played it few times with the twin Belle center channel while the speakers were passive. I didn't think much could be done to improve the quality. Well, besides major horn upgrades including new mid drivers and tweeters. It really sounded great - I'm sure it did... No doubt about it... Or maybe, I didn't really know how good it could get?
Now, after going "active" with the Belle's - WOW, W-O-W!
My 3-way active (Yamaha SP2060) MWM's/402's and the Belle's meld together seamlessly. Seriously, from my listening position I can't differentiate that the center channel is even on. It's an amazing wall of sound that flows over you like the band is right there. A big giant "sweet spot" that covers the entire space. Simply amazing!
Now I'm considering going active with my Volti modified Khorn surround speakers.
Thanks again Chris!
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Somebody purchase these for $225!!!!!! I'd jump at the chance, I didn't already have a set of 402's.
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That's right, a "screaming deal" for sure! I've spent a lot more for a lot less too many times before. So, picking up 4 of these for the price seems better than a "good deal". The MWM's are indeed "Magnificent Woofer Machines"!
I'm looking into purchasing a better active crossover than my DCX 2496, which IMHO has super poor sound quality. So much so that I didn't even waste my time connecting it up to the MWM/402 system. A very reliable source suggested I give the Mini DSP 4x10 a serious look. The reviews look good and the thing is extremely versatile. If anyone out there is using the Mini DSP 4x10 I'd be happy hear what you think about it.
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Thanks for the welcome!
And yes, the Belles look like toys or even doll house speakers.
I admit this setup is a bit "crazy" in an "out the top" overkill way.
My former setup used a nice set of Volti upgraded/modified Khorns as the front L/R channels, an RC 64ii center and the two Belles as surround channel speakers. The Belle's became the new center channel and the Khorns moved to the surround speaker position. The two Belle's make a very nice HT center channel that create very clear dialogue and are seamless fit with the MWM's/402's for movies and such.
The MWM/402 produce such an incredible sound! The shear quantity of quality sound that pours out of the MWM's has to be heard to be really understood. I thought the Khorns sounded great and they do, and everyone that's heard them has been duly impressed. But, the MWM's really changed my perspective on what's possible in terms of high quality HT sound. They raised the bar up to a whole new level. Now, only if they didn't take up so much space...
I'm currently running the MWM/402's with passive Dean built Jubilee crossover networks. I can run them in stereo using either a JM Peach/Quicksilver Horn Mono setup or through my Onkyo HT preamp. They both sound incredible.
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Yes, when MWM's were in place everything in the room looked smaller. Unfortunately, my 52" flat screen now looks like a 36"... I really didn't realize how big they were until I got them home.
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Claude,
I'm very interested in the K-402's & QSC waveguides with B&C DE-250 to replace a set of JBL 2360a's/2445J drivers that are currently residing on my Khorn's. My intention is to build a set of Jamboree's after moving to a larger house next month. I realize it's a hassle but will you consider shipping to California?
you were all right about the Tads and the 402!
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Because of the higher costs of purchasing K-402 horns the used market seems like a viable option. Please beware that I know of one unscrupulous seller who frequents this forum that will happily take your money in exchange for older K-402 horns that were produced with the less durable material. without naming any names, this person is a well known member, trusted by many and appears to be a real nice guy. Underneath his façade of an easy going, friendly and knowledgeable Klipsch fan lurks a thief that will happily accept a premium price and give you a sub standard product while claiming that it's the real thing. Caveat emptor.