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I've never heard the R-14m but I'll assume it sounds like Reference II line. I compared the Reference II with Reference Premiere here at my room and I noticed that the RP is a Reference with the loudness button on. It has a strong bass and a strong upper highs with no mids. I'm a big fan of 2.1 configuration, so a strongly suggest you to keep your sub and choose a pair of books to play with it. It's pretty hard to find a floorstander that plays bass like a sub. Instead of spending money with new speakers, I'd try to equalize your speakers a little bit. Do a subtractive EQ at mids doesn't hurt at all and can surprise you.

I'd like to thank you guys for the thoughts. I decided to keep the Rb 51, they sound pretty decent to me. I sold my Yamaha and I'm using a pretty small class AB amp with 35W that is more than enough for the Klipsch.

Sure! The problem is NAD doesn't provide any support in my country ...

I've heard a 3020D when I was in USA and until today I regret not buying one for me. I got a huge and unnecessary S501 instead. I got worried about reliability issues with these newer amps with SMD components and got an old school amp.

That's an issue. I'm aware that these powered speakers has some issues. The problem is that since I'm not in USA, I cannot have Klipsch support in case of any problem...

In my experience there's not much difference between modern solid state amplifiers. If you measure them, you'll find low distortion on HiFi amps but there is not a really audible difference, at least with a non hi-end speakers. But this area has a lot of controversy and it's really hard to debate about it without fighting. The only thing that is well know on engineering is about having a amp with plenty of power. Since music is a complex signal with a lot of short therm peaks, is good to have a amp capable to reproduce them without clipping. The thumb rule says that if you want to get the most power of your speakers without chance of clipping you have to get an amp with 4x the power of speaker. Of course it only valid if you really wants to reach the maximum SPL levels. If you listen music at normal levels, spending money on high power amps is just a waste.

Thank you Since I can't listen to R-51PM I'm asking about it sound signature compared to RB-51II.

I live in a very small apartment and the Yamaha is too big for my rack. It has a lot of inputs or outputs that I don't use. It a waste of space and equipment. I'd like to have a minimalist system that just got my needs

Hello! Today I have a pair of RB-51II, a Yamaha A-S501, a Crown XLS amp for a DIY Sub. I listen some CDs with a Marantz CD5005, a spotify through a Chromecast Audio and a TV using a optical cable. I'm getting bothered with my system size and considering a downsizing. The first thing I thought was a smaller amp like a Yamaha Wxa 50 or a NAD 3020D. But then I saw the Klipsch R-51PM with all inputs that I really use: optical for TV, AUX for Chromecast and a RCA for the CD and the sub output that I need. What do you guys thinks about that? Will I lost too much about sound quality ?

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Hi I'm looking for an upgrade for my stereo. I have a pair of RB51II used for a stereo setup in a very small living room. The dimensions are 7ft vs 8,3 ft and a 10ft of right foot. I was thinking at the new RP line because people say it was improvements are tweeter response, sounding less harsh. But I'm a little confused about two things: Does worth the upgrade for the new line? Does worth getting a bigger speaker in a such small room?

Yes, I'll go for it. It's the cheapest and simplest way to get a decent sub right now.

I'm pretty sure we can get excellent results from a Class D amp. There's some HiFi companies designing these and getting great reviews around. It's true Class D is the simplest way to design cheap amps either. And I bet Behringer choose the second way to go!

I'll tell you about my personal experience. I've always used a Pro amp with my Klipsch. It´s a low power AB Class amp, from a brazilian make, I think you guys doesn't know it. It's a 35WPC amp and it sounds ok for me. Low distortion, low noise, everything ok by the book. I aways think those discussion about amplifier sonic signatures are nonsense. Speakers has sonic signatures, not power amps. Right?... Two weeks ago I got a Yamaha A-S501 and WOW! What a difference! Even my wife came to me asking about that. She thinks I changed the speakers, not the amp. Now, lets back to Behringer. It's not a great amp even at the pro market, they make cheap products. It's a Class D amp, which is hard to sound good at higher frequencies... And I bet high quality speakers like Klipsch will show every weakness from a low grade amp.

Once I live in Brazil, it's not easy for me buying something on parts-express. But I've found here a used Bash 500S. Maybe it's a nice choice for me. I think it'll be more powerful than 110SW

Yes, my current integrated amp has sub out. I don't dont need to adjust the sub volume . I'm in doubt if 110SW is better than my current DIY sub...

Hi nicesound I don't agree you I'll fry your speakers with a Yamaha or it doesn't deliver the rated lower. If you look around the Internet you'll see some power output measurements that shows more power than rated. These quality integrated amps deliver the output power with a very low distortion, so no way it will blow up you speakers. When I was looking for my amp I saw: Yamaha Marantz Onkyo Pionneer Rotel NAD Cambridge Emotiva There are a lot of options out there. The cheaper ones usually have cheaper components and higher distortion at full power. When you look for a sub out and a digital in, you'll narrow your options. NAD and Marantz has sub outs at more expensive models only.

I agree there is nothing wrong with that. The problem is I live in a small apartment, so my living room is very small. I don't have empty spaces and add one more sub is a overkill for me.

Just a little more: Class A or Tube amps usually have low power, because costs a lot to make those things get hundreds of watts. But, they're not cheap either, they're a very nice quality pieces. Entry level integrated amps usually has 30 - 60W and they're cheap. I mean, making a version with less power like, 20W would save you just a few bucks and probably you'd paying a little more for the more powered version anyway. The price tag is not all about output power. I was looking for a integrated amp for me. Just to save you some time: NAD, Cambridge (Topaz line is very cheap) and Marantz doesn't have sub output or Optical in. The options for you are Yamaha A-S301 which has all you want or NAD-3020D which is a little limited about inputs and its a little hard to fix because all that proprietary processors and components to make that thing work. I got the Yamaha and I'm happy with it.

There are two things to watch here: Low power: Yes, Klipsch speakers are very efficient. So, 10W are more than enough to make some noise at your room. Cheap amplifier: Usually it mean low quality. You can get a class A amp from china websites (TPA3116 based amps) and get what you want: Least expensive amp. But, why spend a lot of money on great speakers like a Premier and buy a cheap amp? I mean, it's not all about power. Usually the amps have like 40 - 60W because doesnt worth making less than that. The cost would be about the same. Yamaha 301 is a great amp for a 2.1 setup. I have it's big brother (501) and I can tell you its worth the price. I don't use its 85W though

No, I really didn't But, my point is having a external amp for my sub is really annoying me. Should I invest in a amp like Bash to keep it inside the sub? I have a pretty good sub here: Fs 26Hz; Qts 0,33; VAS 74L Is it possible it's a best option over Klipsch 110W driver? My room is really small. I don't think my problem is SPL though. Maybe it's time to think about making this sub ative...

Hi there, I have a 2.1 system which is composed by: - Yamaha A-S501 integrated - pair of RB51II - A DIY 10" sub with a professional amplifier (using only one channel) It bothers me a little having a "two head" system (Yamaha + Stereo amp half used for Sub) and I'd like to change it. What I'm thing about: - Change the sub for a Klipsch 110SW and put the professional amp away. - Change the RB51II and look around for a used RB61II or a brand new 160M and stay without sub. I listed to music 80% of the time. Movies are not my deal, so, all my attention goes to music. What you guys recommend for me?

I know they aren't. But I got a great improvement when I change the amps. When I listened de RB51 with a good amp with a lot of power reserve (HK3490) I got very satisfied with the bass. My amp is just weak and I don't know why. Even powering a good subwoofer it seems to cut off the lower frequencies.

I just don't believe that I'll get a lot of bass from it's 45W and they're too expensive for the output power IMHO. I already have a 35W amp here, doesn't worth spend mor money for the extra 10W.