Dave A
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1 minute ago, dwilawyer said:
Or the two hundred year old horse hair or whatever they make them from. Nah, probably new horse hair.
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4 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:
Don't you just hate it when the double blind test guys show up?
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1 minute ago, dwilawyer said:
Italian or Japanese made instruments? Because you know that makes such a hugh difference. (Being facetious of course).
You got me. One of my Cello recordings has a note on the side that it was played with a $100,000 dollar bow🙄. Now I have had some professional musicians here and they hear instruments I do not, like triangles, and I am not sure what else they hear I do not regarding technique and subtle tonal things. It was fascinating to watch the interplay between these chamber musicians as they would cue each other and make sure all were ready.
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I figure this will be my (probably) last system as there are not too many places left to go after this. You know you are welcome to stop in if you are anywhere in the area one day.
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Hey Dean to bad you are not closer. I am picking up a set of 402's in Atlanta tomorrow and should have my Super MWM's built end of second week of January. With 106" of throat I guess I will have to enter the world of DSP and dual amps. Now THAT will be a steam engine reproducer for sure.
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His OPINION, based on conjecture and in the case of Pro gear nothing he has chosen to actually listen to, supercedes the knowledge many of us have acquired through personal research and actual listening. Now if I can clearly see he has dismissed an entire line of Klipsch production as being inferior without any experience with them what am I to make of all these things he says about other stuff? Personally I want to hear everything Klipsch that I can. I have gone through a ton of Klipsch gear both Pro and Vintage because I wanted to KNOW what they sounded like. Some things like KHorns and Belles I have not had here but I can talk to people who have had some of the speakers I have and have also owned those KHorns and Belles and get their educated real world opinions and we both know what we are talking about because of common ownership and listening experience. How can you possibly explain stereo to a guy who walks around with a finger in one ear all the time and this is the problem here.
OD is right about train stations though. I have an old well done steam engine recording and you can feel the steam and smell the coal as it drives by on those MCM's. Almost like you were really there as the ground shakes.
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On 12/24/2018 at 8:22 AM, JJkizak said:
It will be OK. The urethane just doesn't stick as hard as on other woods. It's just not as resistant to screwdriver scrapes, hammer hits, fingernail scratches.
James do you have any experience with Mulberry, Black Locust, Persimmon or Osage Orange? PM me if you do please.
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13 hours ago, dwilawyer said:
Really? Where?
Read the Best Cornwall thread from 11-15. All the way through would be best. ODS123 said Pro gear belonged in amusement parks even though he has never heard any and dumped on Pro hard enough that the Chief chimed in with comments and you can read it all there and draw your own conclusions. You know what mine are.
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10 minutes ago, TubeHiFiNut said:
Do you at all get what I am trying to convey?
Remember this is the guy that said Bonehead did not know what he was doing.
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I am with Oldtimer on this. My favorite finish is from Satin Spar polyurethane. Does not show smudges and fingerprints like glossy nor reflect lights so starkly. Still quite transparent and all the wood detail shows through.
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3 hours ago, ODS123 said:
All of this amp stuff aside, don’t forget that the two systems compared by this audio club also pitted super cheapo source equipment against very exotic/ expensive: a $39 cd/dvd combo player vs a $3-4,000 cd/ DAC; a $15 generic interconnect & power cord vs. $2000+ cables/cord; and a crummy shaky chair vs. a pricey vibration absorbing CD player platform. So, just as you folks argue that pricey amps may be justified, don’t you think the audiophile that brought the exotic cd/dac player and cables thought the same?? Of course he did. And I'm sure he thought his hearing was terrific too.
I went junk shopping this past week They had this at the dig store.
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On 12/20/2018 at 3:20 PM, robert_kc said:
If you want a really useful test, have a live string quartet play
I went to hear a chamber group of five musicians last year. Three Violas and two Cellos and these were members of the Charlotte Symphony Orchestra. To be able to hear unamplified music of that caliber is the finest reference to assess what your system does for true to life audio. I do not want warm tubes or mellow crossover capacitors I want true to life audio reproduction. I want to always be able to sit on that third row and listen to those Violas and Cellos.
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On 12/17/2018 at 9:06 PM, MC39693 said:
Can you ... @Dave A explain to my wife why I now need to buy wooden tweeter lens from you shortly after purchasing the MAHL?
A set of the walnut lenses in my Super Heresy (HWO) would be very nice indeed.
Keep up the T&T, it’s just fine to mess with us. If you can get a mid-range horn to work / balance for cost / effort, I predict a lot of orders.
Slow response time. Don't know how I overlooked this.
Simple you tell your wife it is for the second set of speakers you just bought.
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On 12/20/2018 at 4:48 PM, Chris A said:
Forgetting just for the moment the devices that produce the acoustic energies, as the frequency goes up, the inherent perceived power of the waveform itself goes up, too--at a proportional rate.
Secondly, if you look at the power spectral density of most recordings--plotted on log-log coordinates, the natural output of the musicians (and human speakers, etc.) follows a natural -16 dB/decade curve (remember the demastering stuff?). Everything in nature seems to do that. So there just isn't much SPL up there to begin with, and the ear is okay with that, but plenty of perceived inherent power resides in the waveforms themselves.
Thirdly, devices that make high frequency sound are usually very efficient. Look at the length of the horns attached and they will show you that the wavelengths are very short (comparatively) to midrange and bass frequencies, so the drivers load with the air more efficiently, and at little cost in terms of real estate that your eyes see (i.e., the size of the horn). These high frequency waves are also easy to collimate into energy coming directly at you instead of reflected off the walls, floor and ceiling.
Fourthly, the human ear canal is also a horn--tuned to about 2-4 kHz at the resonant frequency.
Fifthly, the human hearing system separates all incoming sound into frequencies--it's a little frequency analyzer. So low frequencies generally don't get in the way of higher frequencies--the little hairs in the cochlea resonate at the proper places in the curved resonant horn tube and don't step on each other's toes as their output makes their way to the brain.
It's all about the physics and psychophysics (i.e., how we hear), and how sound pressure levels are stratified by frequency--naturally.
Remember that a K-77 tweeter diaphragm will self-destruct at about 4 watts continuous input, so that should give you an idea of how much the tweeters are padded down in Klipsch Heritage passive crossovers--but there is still plenty reserve there to serve all that your ears can take (in a home environment).
Chris
Now that is an answer and covers every base. Thanks for this reply.
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What is the grille material, wire cloth?
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Tinkering around with the tweeters on the MCM 1900 this past week and being shocked at how such comparative low wattage output can have such a significant effect on the aggregate out put of these. So my question is why do high frequencies so readily pierce vastly larger wattage mid and bass speaker output?
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7 hours ago, Marvel said:
IIRC, they used zip cord for speaker wire in Indy. I don't think they are too worried about it.
That is correct. 12 gage 300 feet for $90 some dollars delivered at Monoprice last week. It does not however come with the sanctimonious, I mean sanctioned approval of the High Brow Audiophile Society.
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8 hours ago, ODS123 said:
hough I like the idea I very much doubt that Klipsch Audio Tech. is interested in hosting an exercise which could give many a newfound skepticism regarding the audibility of differences between modern amplifiers. Remember, Klipsch relies on a network of retailers who must sell pricey amplifiers in order to survive - they can’t make it on speakers alone. I think Klipsch would like to stay very well away from this.
Indeed, I think much of hifi today would present a sizable moral dilemma for Mr. PWK himself. As an engineer steeped in the Scientific Method he spent a career calling out BS like unsubstantiated claims made by other mfgs. Yet, for his company to survive today, it needs a network of retailers who, by necessity, must traffic in these sorts of claims. It's hard to imagine him visiting one of his retailers and not feeling compelled to point to his BS button when he sees expensive DACs, power conditioners, cables, power cords, and yes over-engineered pricey amps that are sold w/ unsubstantiated claims they sound better. Again, I think he'd point to his button.
HAHAHAHA, snort, heh heh heh. HA HA HA you kill me! Audio solipsism via one man echo chamber. And you even mentioned the BS button🤣. It was almost like your mind and Paul's had melded in perfect synch and total agreement. HA HA HA HA!!!
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7 hours ago, ODS123 said:
Exactly. ..Then just add a subwoofer and you'll have a nicely musical speaker - it's intended use for PA systems notwithstanding.
One day when I grow up to be smug and self annointed and appointed, assured that what I think I know supercedes reality and the experience of others who really do know, I want to be just like you.
Unlike Dean I want you to stick around. It's like the chuckle of the day. Going to pick up a bunch of KPT-456 PA speakers today. Wish you could stop in and hear what ugly black Cornwall Killer boxes would do for your self assured knowledge of all things audio pronounced loftily from the perch of audio royalty daily.
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On 12/17/2018 at 3:40 PM, jwc said:
How deep is this thing?
Is this 60 x 60 x 17?
60" deep 32" wide back 60" wide front 21" OD ht and they will fit in your sound room.
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17 hours ago, soundbound said:
Speakers have the biggest influence on a system. Good speakers can sound good wired into a low budget systems. For another example, I recently bought a used pair of Wharfedale Emerald EM 99 MK IV speakers and wired them into an old low cost stereo receiver and was blown away by how great it sounded! I knew how important speakers are, but that really demonstrated how important to me.
I agree. I bought an old MCM 1900 system and it was like I was right there in the train station or country fair. Best PA system ever.
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On 12/18/2018 at 4:50 PM, Westcoastdrums said:
Those remaining 10 are just deaf. They thought they could hear, but they can’t. We can only pity them."
What did you say I can't hear you? 🤣
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On 6/28/2018 at 2:36 AM, Shakeydeal said:
I would be willing to bet if they incorporate all your improvements, the 15k price point shifts upward too.
I own CNC equipment and I assume whoever is doing Klipsch cabinets does to. I would have screw holes done with pilot holes and full sized chamfers via cnc on all flat surfaces excluding edge faces. It would take very little time to program in and next to nothing time wise to physically do. The reality is that the slight increase in cutting time is offset by decreased assembly time and it would be cheaper to build them this way.
Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club
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But Dean we are having fun. Maybe the OP will get us back on track.