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Question for you experienced speaker fixer uppers. I had a K-43 re-coned here in Nashville a while back. It was supposed to be an exact duplicate of the factory specs. I recently ordered a re-cone kit for a K-10-K from Simply Speakers and it had a lower Db rating by about 1.5 if I remember right then the factory original. They said it was their K-10-K re-cone kit but it was different than factory specs. This re-cone guy orders kits too and the K43 he re-coned now requires the balance adjusted to favor it since it appears to need more watts to drive it. No wonder he said both should be done to make the sound equal.
Now you know the back round my question is where does one go to get exact factory spec re-cone work done preferably close to Nashville? Coulter has suggested an outfit in Indianapolis and I have an email into them but no reply back yet.
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Looking at all the various things done with modifications and I have not found the following. Is the idea of a sealed plenum going from a woofer to a passive radiator of worth? I wonder if this has been done and what the results were. Is there some value to cubic inches of space (also I would imagine interference to some degree from other components radiating sound waves) over a sealed volume of direct connection to a woofer/radiator allowing perhaps for more dynamic energy transfer and better isolation from the squawker and tweets? Pondering building some speakers and just wondering.
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2 hours ago, jcasemusic said:
I'd have to have an amp for the Klipsch subs and heard the M&K and doesn't really have much power, was very underwhelmed.... Unless u have some amps fr those at a great price!
Interesting you mention amps. I am buying a Crown XLi 800 and expect it to be delivered tomorrow. You are welcome to come by and hear it and it was $250.00 with a pair of speaker cables delivered. The KP-480 has a crossover and does not require an additional amp to run it with. You will however need amps to feed the setup with. Had to chuckle at one of your replies to the off topic posts here.
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I have a pair of KP115's and a pair of KP-480's and I am off exit 27 I-65 south. I also have a Miller Kreisel V-75 Mark II. Guy with Chorus II's was using this for his home theater.
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THANKS JJ!
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I have just gone through 35 pages of posts here trying to find the complete specs for KP-250 and KP-301 and I have had no luck. Any suggestions? The Klipsch site is hopeless and all i get there are links that reference brand new stuff and older links/attachments on this forum that might be of us go nowhere. I bought a pair of KP-101 recently so I am interested in those to.
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Looking for some KP-301's for sale close to middle Tennessee. Need some sound for the other side of my shop
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I read that the KP 480 was designed with the La Scalas in mind and they are the same size. I have two sets now and one labeled KP-480-SW with four round holes cut in the motor board is the same left to right but smaller front to back. It is also much smaller than the next one which is a KP-480/4000-C and also marked KP480 AX which is the same size as the La Scala. (Dwarfs the KP-250's that came with it) Is there a comprehensive list of all the variants somewhere?
Still looking for info on the KP-480-SW. Anyone know anything about KP-480 variants? I have questions people are asking me I can't answer so any help is appreciated.
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1 hour ago, Chief bonehead said:
some bonehead.......
Thanks CB I will have a look.
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I have looked at a number of threads here regarding this Quartet woofer but can't find anything recent. Much of what I find does not lead to anything I can find online like a reference to K-18-K that might work. I can order a re-cone kit from Simply Speakers and while they say it is Klipsch spec they don't say what the kit specs are. I got the pair for $200.00 but don't want to drop a lot of money into them so looking for recommendations. I have never re-coned a speaker before so is this a good time to learn or should I hand this to a pro or just buy new and if so what?
Kind of shocked at crummy particle board construction and just four screws to hold the woofer in when I started investigating the bad sound problem.
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Islander you are so right. Got around to finally hooking up the Peavey and the improvement over using the Onkyo receiver by itself is significant. I was going to sell all the pro amplifier stuff but I believe I will be keeping the Peavey. Changed the realism of the drums as you say and the detail of the two channels and all the instruments IS much better. Of course now 30 on the Onkyo beats what 45 or 50 used to produce.
I am feeding the Peavey with output from the Onkyo. Is this OK to do or is there a better way?
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OK switching the crossovers out never seemed viable to me since I read of so many claims that subtle changes can make big differences and different crossovers are not a subtle change. You suggest two modifications. Modifying the crossover is one and what exactly does that entail and what is the result?
Did you try plugging the ports on the 250's?
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Should this be in the Technical/Modifications section?
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Looking for information regarding KP-250's is a bit of a problem. What I would like to know is what has actually been done to improve the sound of these. Does upgrading caps from crossovers not yet 20 years old matter? I read of closing the ports to improve the bass but not an actual one where someone has done this. What would be the result if I do this? Would the KP-250 components be a good candidate for building a new cabinet based on the Forte design and if so with or without the passive woofer?
Using my industrial La Scalas as compared to the LSBR's I have had makes me wonder. The industrial La Scala is much better to my ears. I have a pair of Heresy II's and they are just ok at best. If the KP250 can be improved to the same level of improvement the Industrials show over the LSBR I would like to do it.
I assume all components were tuned to work with each other in the KP250's. What happens with diaphram upgrades to say the Ti ones from Crites? Is there a better woofer for more bass? Does the crossover allow for these types of changes?
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Thanks for the comments all. OK rather than going through all these hoops what about just getting the TX 8270? My Quadro M4000 graphics card with four HDMI output ports is a powerful sound and visual creator and the TX 8270 has an HDMI port there for use with a PC connection. Rather than looking into ways to make the TX 8150 work what about the TX 8270 which is designed for this? For my money if I am going to spend half the cost of something designed to do a job to jerry rig doing the job I would rather spend more and do it right. Onkyo says I can run direct from HDMI port on the PC to the TX 8270 HDMI port. Looking at some of these magical black boxes online and holy cow, $200+ for a little black box???
In the for what it is worth category. Using the audio jack from the PC to the RCA jacks to the back side of the TX 8150 yields some strange alterations to lossless and FLAC at times with high bit rates. The USB flash drive direct into the front USB port on the TX 8150 does not do this so clearly in my eyes the RCA set up lacks some things.
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I have a new Workstation I want to use as the source for audio with an Onkyo 8150. The graphics card is an Nvidia Quadro M4000 with four HDMI outputs and high quality audio capabilities. Will a simple HDMI to RCA adapter work? Would I be better off looking at a new TX 8270 which has a direct HDMI input set up for a PC already? What I want to do is have high quality audio but use my Workstation as the source.
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"more punch, a fuller sound, more accurate sound" yes to all. The LSI has K43 woofers where the LS has K33 and yes it makes a difference in the quality of the sound. The LSI was with original crossover components was clearly better than any of the other La Scalas and one of them which also had an AA crossover had been freshly recapped with Crite's supplied caps when I bought it. As far as I know there is no difference in the crossovers. The only difference besides cabinet finish that I know of is the woofer.
On the KP 480. I have yet to find a picture like the one I have. It has four 4" round ports cut into the motorboard, one at each corner with tubes fixed to the back side of the ports going back to within 1" of the back side and no passive radiator or slot cut in the bottom face like others I see. I can't find specs for that exact cabinet either but I assume all the KP 480s had to be very close.
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John was suggesting all of my industrials which would have been four KP250s, two La Scalas, two KP115s and two KP480s. The subs and KP 250s came from a band/DJ setup. The subs still have original Klipsch dust covers on the speakers but only one of the four KP 250 woofers does and I can't imagine why.
I tried the KP 250s with the KP 480s and compared to the KP 480 with the La Scalas the 250s weren't even close. I may try recapping the 250s though since I think they could and should sound better. For all I know everything may need caps especially the La Scalas since they are 37 years old and the crossovers have not been touched on any of these.
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I have had a set of AA crossover Industrial La Scalas for a while now. Really liked them but found myself turning the bass all the way down and still not being satisfied. Tried Forte II and Chorus and both were nice but still not what I wanted. Now I picked up a couple sets of KP-250s with their subs one of which was a KP 480 with a ported cabinet and no passive. Tried them out today and found out just how much I have been missing all this time.
The industrial La Scalas to me have much better definition than the five sets of LSBRs I have gone through but the low end was muddy such as it was. Toccata and Fugue in D minor never sounded right to me with the three sets of speakers I mentioned above although the Forte II and Chorus were both much better with bass, just not as crisp a sound as the La Scalas. So today I hook the 480s to the La Scalas and get blown away by how much I had been missing. Instead of an attempt at bass or bass but no real clear definition to it I now had superb everything. Discovering that I can leave the bass settings close to neutral and hear all the instruments AND feed my bass desires with complete clarity.This was unexpected and for the first time I find myself completely satisfied with what I hear. I may very well change the caps out later this year as I have been advised this to will make a difference.
I feed the 480s and La Scalas with an 80 watt Onkyo and can't begin to get near full output before it becomes painful. It's nice to see things move on the metal table close by. Hard to imagine so much volume from such a little wattage.
John Albright stopped in and suggested that with the two 800 watt amps I got with the KP 250s and subs I should set them all up outside and have a yard party
I just might drag the La Scalas and 480s to the shop door and have at it one day just to see but I believe I will pass on the rest.
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John, while not the same they are 480s and I would think pretty close.
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KP-480-BX
18" Bass Reflex Woofer With 15" Passive Radiator
The Klipsch Professional KP-480-BX is a high-output, bass reflex speaker system that combines an 18-inch (46 cm) woofer with a down-firing 15-inch (38 cm) passive radiator. This unique design produces extended low frequency response and higher output from a smaller and lighter enclosure than can be achieved with more conventional vented designs.
Passive Radiator/LF Section
The KP-480-BX is so compact because its passive radiator allows the enclosure to be tuned much lower, eliminating the need for long vents that require more room inside the cabinet. At 15 inches, the passive radiator has a much larger radiating area than a typical vent, so at low frequencies, it couples better to the air.
The passive radiator even reduces the possibility of woofer over-excursion by limiting the woofer when the system is driven too hard below the tuning frequency. Its specially designed rubberized plastic surround allows up to 1 1/5 inches (3 cm) of peak-to-peak excursion. It can move a lot of air without the noise associated with some vented designs.
The KevlarŽ composite passive radiator coupled with the K-49 woofer and its large 96-ounce (2.7 kg) magnet allows the KP-480-BX to produce well-damped and powerful low-frequency output with much less amplifier power.
Stackable and Packable
The KP-480-BX features a top-mounted stand socket, which can serve as a base for locating the main speakers in the air. By using 1 1/2-inch (3.8 cm) tubing to connect the two systems, the use of a tripod is not necessary. The KP-480-BX compact dimensions make for an easy "truck pack." In fact, 16 units take up less than 2 1/4 feet of truck space.
Passive Crossover
The passive crossover is a factory-installed option on the KP-480-BX. The KP-480-BX passive crossover is set at 150 Hz with a slope of 12 dB per octave for the woofer and 6 dB per octave for any full-range speaker system connected to the HF output section. Entirely self-contained on the back of a standard KP series input panel, the passive crossover is easily installed by removing the old input panel, unplugging the leads to the woofer, connecting the leads from the passive crossover panel to the woofer and using the old screws to attach the new panel to the back of the box.
To use the crossover, plug the full range input into either of the bottom connectors (1/4-inch phone plug or five-way binding posts). Use a jumper cable to connect either of the top two connectors (HF out) to the input of any full-range system (4 or 8 ohms) or a paralleled pair of 8 ohm speakers. The KP-480-BX passive crossover will even operate with woofers alone, without any load on the HF output section.
The KP-480-BX passive crossover allows you to add a subwoofer to just about any system without the complications and expense of bi-amping. The design of the crossover allows maximum coupling of the subwoofer and full range enclosure. The slower roll-off of the HF output ensures you get the most from the woofer in the full-range enclosure before it crosses over to the subwoofer. It also prevents signals below the box tuning frequency from reaching the full-range system, increasing power handling and reducing distortion in the mid-bass region.
Architect's and Engineer's Specifications
The loudspeaker system shall be a subwoofer consisting of an 18-inch (46 cm) K-49-K woofer and a KD-17 passive radiator. The woofer shall have a cast aluminum frame and the voice coil shall be three inches (7.6 cm) in diameter with a KaptonŽ form. The passive radiator shall be 15 inches (38 cm) in diameter and have a Kevlar composite cone with a rubberized surround.
System sensitivity shall be 104 dB SPL, with 2.83 V input, measured at a distance of one meter in a half space anechoic environment. Maximum continuous output shall be 129 dB SPL at a distance of one meter with maximum continuous power input of 400 watts (40.5 V). Frequency response shall be 44 Hz to 200 Hzą4 dB, -10 dB at 34 Hz. Nominal impedance shall be 8 ohms.
The cabinet sides shall be constructed of 3/4 inch, furniture grade, void-free plywood with textured water resistant black paint. The baffle board shall be one-inch, void-free plywood. All edges will be internally braced.
Dimensions shall not exceed 26 29/32 inches (68.3 cm) high, 23 7/8 inches (60.6 cm) wide and 24 1/16 inches (61.1 cm) deep. Net weight shall not exceed 85 pounds (38.6 kg).
The loudspeaker shall be a Klipsch KP-480-BX, manufactured by Klipsch, L.L.C.
Specifications:
Frequency Response (3 Meters, 1/2 Space Anechoic): 44 to 200 Hz, ą 4 dB Usable Response to 2,500 (-10 dB @ 34 Hz)
Power Handling: 400 Watts* (40.5 V)
Maximum Continuous Output @ 1 Meter with 400 Watt Input: 129 dB
Sensitivity @ 1 Watt/1 Meter (2.83 V): 104 dB SPL
Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohms (4.2 Minimum @ 43 Hz)
Maximum Long-Term Calculated Acoustic Output Power: 11.5 Acoustic Watts
Woofer 1/2 Space Reference Efficiency: 2.77%
Enclosure Tuning: 41 Hz
Crossover Frequency: 150 Hz via (Optional) Internal Passive Crossover, 12 dB/Octave Roll-off for Woofer, 6 dB/Octave Roll-off for HF Output.
Enclosure: One-inch (2.54 cm) Baffle Board. All Sides 3/4-inch (19 mm) Plywood, Internally Braced, Lined with Acoustical Foam. Black Metal Grille. Woofer Attached with Woofer Clamps.
Input Connections: 1/4-inch Phone Jacks and Red/Black Five-way Binding Posts. Input is Fused (4-A Recommended).
Height: 26 29/32" (68.3 cm)
Width: 23 7/8" (60.6 cm)
Depth: 24 1/16" (61.1 cm)
Weight: 85 lbs. (38.6 kg) Net, 99 lbs. (45 kg) Shipping
*AES standard, continuous pink noise 40-400 Hz, with 6 dB peaks above the continuous level.
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CECAA850 your suggestion of loosening and tightening has improved the problem considerably. I went in there and tightened all screws and wiggled connections and the muddy sound is almost gone. The mid range horn drivers were almost finger loose and I think the contact on the spade connectors from sitting idle for some time had a poor connection on top of it. John was kind enough to stop by and suggested replacing the caps in the crossover to which I will probably try. I like the sound but it is not quite there yet for my tastes.
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John, I am 67 miles due south of downtown Nashville. Depending on when you come through I may be gone next week. Will you be coming back this way on your way home? Send me an email please I would like to talk to you.
CECAA850 I did what you suggested but the midrange still just does not sound right. It is kind of crackly if that makes any sense and since I have played with the connections a bit the cut out problem is gone. The other set sounds pretty darned good so I think there is an issue.
jjpktd I also got a rack with some amplifiers and a fancy crossover. I have not really looked at them yet but they sure do weigh a ton and it took two of us to lift it up into the van. There must be some huge heat sinks in there. One of those when I have time endeavors will be to hook them all up and see what I have. All the gear is from the early 2000's. I hesitated to buy the rack full of stuff since I wanted the speakers only but for 250.00 I figured I would take a chance.
I just might drag the La Scalas and 480s to the shop door and have at it one day just to see but I believe I will pass on the rest.
K-42-K vs Eminence Delta Pro
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OK I find I have a need for five K-42 woofers. Klipsch quotes for retail customers is $194.80 each plus shipping. The Eminence Delta Pro Eminence Delta Pro 12-450-4 4 ohm speaker. The Eminence Delta Pro 12-450-4 is a 12" 4 ohm speaker. The Delta Pro-12-450-4 speakers available here. is $109 each plus shipping. Is there any reason not to use the Eminence? If I were to get these old K-42's re coned does anyone have an outfit they use that can restore to exact factory Klipsch specs?