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Saw them on FB marketplace - they look near pristine - seller is asking $700.
Seems fair / decent price. Dunno what the version 1's go for. Other than most people selling any old heritage Klipsch in my area usually want stupid money, so this one stands out a bit.
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31 minutes ago, willland said:
I am guessing a high noise floor?
Bill
I guess. Again just going by what the internet voices tell me to think.
I am curious and would like to compare, but maybe not worth dropping 1k for something I don't "need"
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So. I get upgrade-itis, pretty much all the time for everything.
I've noticed in my local CL a nice little preamp and amp set for sale. (https://austin.craigslist.org/ele/d/parasound-halo-a23-amplifier/6516428257.html)
I know the pre section of my integrated NAD C372 isn't the best, but the amp is generally pretty darn good. I also know from hearsay that the internet tells me (it must be true then) that Parasound amps and preamps are very good. The real questions are 1. would I even notice and 2. is it worth the cost if there is some tangible difference
I feed the NAD C372 mostly streamed files from Tidal (occasional vinyl from a mid-entry level player) fed through a Multibit DAC (Schiit modi multi).
I'm happy with the sound as is, my limitations are the room and positioning more than anything. But still. Parasound. Halo...it's got Halo in the name so it must be amazing, no?
How do Parasound amps/pres pair with Klipsch? (Yes it matters, yes amps affect the sound
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14 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
OK, fair enough. I probably just didn't read the same things you did (you can't read it all!) and although my Marantz 6011 has been reliable I fully admit I don't use a fraction of the many features it supports so I'm sure there are some things which might be flaky I might not see.
Whenever I want a product listed on Amazon the first thing I do is read the one-star reviews. That usually gets me to my primary question about any electronic device, "is it reliable?" I start there and work my way up.
Honestly I wish I had just bought a Marantz and enjoyed it. I get to a point of obsessively researching, going down different rabbit holes, reaching analysis paralysis - finally reaching a vague sort of impression. If you look hard enough you'll find good or bad comments about anything.
The rock solid stability and reliability of my Yamahas over the years has been an influence for sure. If I glean any hint that I won't have that with something else I shy away. This comes from a few years with Denon and NAD AVRs that were not so solid.
It's really just my bs human bias that I have developed. I like to pride myself on being open minded, but I don't know how much that's really true anymore for anything. I am just a stupid human after all
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18 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
There is a loong thread on avsforum.com on late model Marantz AVR's. There is nothing I can recall reading that indicated there was a reliability problem.
Are you sure you aren't thinking of the Onkyo AVR's from a few years ago? They had a well known problem with HDMI boards going out, all related to a chip (I think Toshiba) that was rated for 80 degrees but the specs called for 110 degrees.
No. When I was researching reviews of Marantz (I was pretty dead set on buying a Marantz this time) I was disheartened at how often I read about odd glitches or issues. This is not scientific at all, but as a potential customer I was turned off. Last thing I want to deal with when spending that much on a new AVR is to have down time and dealing with warranty repairs. As I said it was probably not enough of a reason to discard Marantz but I didn't see nearly as many (or any) complaints with the new Yamahas.
Perception is reality, regardless of truth
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IMO the Yamaha has plenty of dynamic reserve for real world use. I'm in it (3070) for the audio processing, at a bargain price for what you get compared to a decent Pre/pro. Paired with a 5 channel external amp, + use of onboard amp for height channels makes for a perfect AVR for me.
Frankly I am biased at this point as I've really gotten into bed with Yamaha because of historically reliable performance, and lately I have really gotten to like MusicCast. I think they sound pretty good for the money as well. The Yamahas just WORK for me without fail (uh oh, famous last words haha), and their app integration is really good. It's quite surprising and telling in the effort they put forth to make it a good experience. (compared to tech in general - most things are just not what they're cracked up to be - glitchy at best).
I've used the 3070 to power all of my channels (except for rear height) and it knocks it out of the park. I almost didn't bother plugging back into my external amp for 5 of the channels. At what point will you ever drive all channels 100%? Only while testing in a lab. Who cares? Granted - I do wish they performed better with all channels driven - but it just doesn't matter - and easily remedied with external amps. Most AVRs out there will be similar - such that your best bet is to utilize a serious external amp if you care that much about multichannel performance at max chat. Ok - if I had 9 channels of RF-7II's or some similar that I wanted to run in full range - then no, of course I would not want to do that with my 3070. But who would do that with any AVR and no external amps?? And then - most of my speakers are crossed at 80Hz, most of the time. That really takes a load off of the amps, leaning on my 1k watt RMS/3.6k watt peak sub to pick up the slack.
I have repeatedly read that Marantz makes a very good pairing with most Klipsch, and they have rather nice amplification sections. Reliability concerns held me back - probably not a good enough reason but it was just enough with my existing bias not to go Marantz (I'm sure the reliability stuff is really small percentages). I have developed a probably unjustified dislike for Denon (experience owning a few Denon AVRs - I don't like their sound, and I don't like their interface) - to which I also associate to Marantz (same company) but that is also unfair since they are not the same AVR with a different skin. I know this, but the bias continues to influence me.
Yeah I'm a self-aware mess
I had no point, other than to cheerlead for Yamaha, and...oh yes congrats on an excellent purchase with the Marantz! I'm afraid to demo one at home as I might like it too much.
If I wanted to be more spendy, I'd ditch this AVR nonsense of course, and get some real amps (Parasound...maybe Pa$$ labs...etc) and a decent pre/pro. I'll keep it lower budget. I don't even have a theater room so there is no point.
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9 hours ago, dtel said:
I know the designer of the F2 and F3 likes them toed in, crossing a couple of feet in front of the listener. This seems to be with any model, when he comes here or to a friends house (Kevin's) he likes to adjust the speakers how he says they sound best, and we get that look.
It's the, you know how they sound best look what's the problem. At that point I have nothing, what can I say he surely knows more than I do and knows what to listen for, so of course I do it. Not that I really have a choice, he just does it, he can be a persistent Bonehead at times. hahaha. Can't argue with that!
Room and space has a lot to do with position. MLP for me is 7-8ft from the F2 which are maybe 5-6ft apart (small room, too small for the Forte!). So then, in this case, to me, slight toe in works better than aggressive toe in.
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32 minutes ago, ScooterMcTavish said:
So question on placement - I've seen a few different opinions between "straight ahead", "toe in slightly", "aim directly at listener", and "45* toed in placed in corners and cross in front of listener".
Yesterday, I tried aiming them over my shoulders (a bit harsh), straight ahead (a bit meh) and tied in slightly (a nice wide soundfield).
What are other's experiences with the Fortes?
Of note, these are in a specific listening environment, and don't need to be set up so that "everyone" gets good sound. Only me in my recliner.
Toed in slightly sounds best to me, in my space with my modded Forte II. (Crites xo and ti tweets)
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1 hour ago, hammershaug said:
Thanks for the warm welcome, guys. It’s been a long jump, actually. My Klipsch journey started back in 1995 with these:
https://flic.kr/p/yhoMtz
Fast forward to 2015 and my next Klipsch; Heresy III walnut:
Will post some pics when I get the Fortes. Maybe in another thread.
4 long weeks. Oh my!
JanGreat photos on flickr. Nice equipment.
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4 hours ago, stoka said:
How's about the PRO-160RPC or the PRO-180RPC?
Shouldn't they fit better with the RP-Line?
Probably. If you can hear the difference
Yeah they are the new generation in-ceiling, so in theory should match the new gen RP and RF better.
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It's getting salty in here...
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43 minutes ago, RoboKlipsch said:
Svs are excellent but i find the rp160ms to be far better...but everybody has their own opinions.
I haven't had a chance to hear them. Agreed - we hear what we hear and like what we like. Some people swore the Martin Logan motion 15 I have were superior but not to me, not by a long shot.
39 minutes ago, avguytx said:I just have to stay with the brand's I can get for sheet cost or rep sample cost. I haven't paid retail, or sale price, for anything home or car audio since i got into that business back in 1985.
I'm just thankful to know lots of dealers, reps, regionals, and national sales managers across the US.
I hear ya. Sorry I'm hijacking your thread a bit as I love a good bookshelf speaker. Always fascinates me how good they can sound, how big they can sound in a small package.
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2 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:
Its confusing but r28fs and r26fs are called reference but are in fact a huge step down. I had 28fs and very sloppy sounding compared to true reference. Once the premiere series came out the new reference name replaced icons.
An rf52ii, 62ii or 82ii is the reference line matching the rb81iis. U can find used pairs in great shape very inexpensively. I highly recommend them all...82s are great but huge...i had rf52s and loved them. a great alternative to the bookshelves and if u dont watch many movies the low end is great...specd to 35hz but in room good to 30hz easily. 62s and 82s just larger woofers...nice for midbass but imo not a giant improvement unless a huge room
Wow that's interesting. I'd like to try a set of one of these (or all of them) and listen next to my SVS Ultra bookshelf speakers (999.98/pr). These are the "best" I've heard - at least in the sense for all the boxes they check off. Not perfect, but I've yet to hear a perfect speaker. I'd also like to compare against the Kef LS50's, and lots of others haha. I do have a pair of Martin Logan Motion 15, which are quite nice, and in some ways best the SVS Ultra but fall short in other glaring ways that put them under the SVS Ultras for my tastes. I won't count the R-14M I have, they are fun but just can't compare.
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My office is small at 10x15, I still enjoy the Forte II in here, although they sound even better in a larger room. I've had them hooked up in the living room as a comparison to my RF-7II and they were quite good in there. Living room is 14x22 if it was a closed room, but it's wide open to the rest of the house.
Oddly I have the Forte II on the 15' wall in the office due to our furniture arrangement, so far from ideal. This mostly effects the bass response when in the listening position - there just isn't much there. When sitting off to sides at our desks and play ambient sort of music the bass sounds good. I'm sitting 7 feet away from them in the LP, speakers only 70" apart (center to center). They sound amazing, but for the bass. I don't mind it at all, I can always put a small sub back in here to supplement for the listening position, but I don't really feel the need.
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On 2/21/2018 at 8:40 PM, Rivernuggets said:
This Parasound Halo Integrated has more bells and whistles than you want but the styling is excellent, IMO. Haven't personally heard this but drooled over it plenty. 160 watts x 2 will leave you with plenty of headroom on those Fortes.
On 2/22/2018 at 10:12 AM, TubeHiFiNut said:If you can spend up to $2K (I believe I read is what you said) check out the new Quicksilver Integrated. Four EL84 tubes per channel.
Heard it this past weekend on a pair of Belles. Sounded wonderful. Really wonderful.
Oh man. I want both of these. I've got the itch to try something new with my Forte IIs.
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13 hours ago, jwc said:
So what is the sub model here? Looks small for a 684
That's KPT-684 in the middle. Those KI-396's (15" woofer, 3" titanium tweeter) are pretty big, the picture is deceiving. 34"h x 20" w on the face of it, 16" deep. The 684 is 23.5" wide, and since it's on it's side...
Man that system is capable of fairly ridiculous SPL.
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A set of Tangent 500s and a center have been for sale in my area for a while.
https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/ele/d/klipsch-tangent-500-klipsch/6463726597.html
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On 2/21/2018 at 5:57 PM, Terry Palmer said:
What would be a good 2 channel/amp with phono for vinyl and Bluetooth for streaming that would work well with Klipsch Forte’s
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First, I don't know.
I've always had budget oriented amps, like Adcom pre and amp, NAD amps and integrated amps, Carver integrated, NAD/Yamaha/Denon/Onkyo/Pioneer receivers. But...from much listening to higher end / amped systems of friends and demo systems over the years - I can't help but think it's worth spending a lot more on the amp. bluetooth and phono pre can be handled separately from whatever amp you use.
I'll get around to this, and figure out the best amp I can afford to buy. There are those that think amps all sound the same - which I find ridiculous personally. I've heard significant differences between amps in my own systems.
There is also the concept of synergy. For whatever reason some amps/pre just sound better with some speakers. I've experienced this, switching from a NAD amp to a Yamaha with the same speakers and the difference was huge, and made no logical sense to me. I don't know how to determine that other than trial and error.
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1 hour ago, Aussie Jim said:
Sorry to hijack your post, i’ve Just bought my first Forte IIIs and have the exact same question. I currently have them running off a NAD356 (which I’ve spec’d Up with the phono amp). It sounds brilliant at mid-higher levels but perhaps a little lacking at lower volumes. I note my NAD is “only” supply 80WPC... if I do need more headroom do I go for another nad 80WPC amp to bi-amp or spend some $$ and get a singular higher performing model... thanks!!
Oh boy. This is a complicated subject, not to mention opinionated. IMO there just isn't a quick answer to this.
Is it the amp? Is it the speakers? Is it a combination? Do the speakers need to loosen up a bit?
Efficiency is not a static number. Maybe the Forte III are less efficient at low levels. Maybe a much higher power amp will sound better at low volumes - but why? 1 watt is 1 watt right? Then...is it distortion in the amp? Some amps can be more distorted at low power levels. Maybe it's that higher power amps are just built better. There is that saying: "the first watt is the most important watt" in reference to how good an amp sounds - sound quality above high power numbers. But is this about a lack of noise? What is the quality that delivers more dynamics at lower volumes than other amps with similar output? Is it high current? Man...I just don't know
I just don't know the answers. I have avoided this money pit of a problem, because well money pit, and I generally like to crank it a bit anyway so I'm not as plagued by lack of dynamics at lower volumes.
I think - a very high quality amp will likely do the trick, but I'd want to be able to trial a few options to listen for myself. Probably a class A amp.
I suppose by your user name you are in Australia. If you were in my area I'd gladly lend you my NAD C272 amp or C372 integrated (150wpc) to test the higher power theory at a lower end of the amp $cale. Maybe a fellow enthusiast in your area could help out.
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Once upon a time I actually used to troubleshoot and fix things BEFORE asking. I've become so lazy! I don't even have a multimeter anymore, or even a decent soldering setup.
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Thank you! My google-fu was weak.
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As you might have surmised from the subject, I have an aging NAD C372 integrated amp. I use it to feed a pair of Forte II.
I'm quite happy with the sound / performance. However on initial power up, lately I have been getting about 30 seconds of static/white noise. Then it goes away and all is well.
It's not the pot, or the tone controls. Well maybe it's the pot but the symptoms don't add up. I think it's in the pre-amp section. For a short time I tried the C372 in bridged mode, paired with my C272 amp also bridged, and the noise happened then also. I have tried different inputs with the same result.
Any ideas what might cause this?
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It's funny. For me I find the III's to be...more restrained sounding. The I and II sound a bit more free wheeling. This could what better control sounds like, what a more refined sound is all about. Maybe the I and II are making more "noise" than intended in the recordings.
Again I hear in the 3's just more "thickness" in all the right ways. It's an excellent, proper thick sound yet with more space.
I'd be happy with any of these pairs. I am happy with my IIs
@Youthman thanks again for taking the time and effort to produce these videos. I enjoy them.
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1 minute ago, Youthman said:
I could invite the entire Klipsch Community over for a demo.....we might have to have a rotation schedule though haha
I haven't listed mine yet but I'll likely be selling my Deang crossovers since Klipsch is sending me another model in March to review and this week SVS is shipping me their Ultra Towers to review. Since I've got the only pair of Deang for RF-7 II's, it doesn't benefit anyone for me to compare any speakers to them not to mention, it's too much hassle to keep swapping crossovers back and forth.
I had the SVS Ultra towers and center channel prior to my Klipsch setup. Frankly I loved their capabilities. Unfortunately I sold them in preparation for the RF-7II purchase so I could not directly compare.
They are excellent speakers, incredibly well built and can handle whatever punishment you choose to dish out. I think you'll like them. They do so much well. One fault people find in them is that they are too neutral and for some come across as a bit bright (they're not, they are ruler flat neutral), so for those that want that British sound, or some other massaged non-flat response - yeah they aren't that.
I would say that, after coming to appreciate what Klipsch delivers with the horn loaded tweeters, you will likely miss that right away, for some music anyway. That efficient, lively sound.
I found the bass when run in full range to be a little bit boomy, but that has so much to do with placement and the room interaction. Give the ports some space. Mine were too close to the wall, but I usually had them crossed at 80Hz, except for occasional 2 channel listening. Give them plenty of power while you're at it
During one particularly LOUD listening session with my wife (lots of wine was consumed) we sent my Outlaw 5000 into protection mode. Listening levels were dangerously loud.
The only reason I switched out, was because my wife hated the slanted design of the Ultras. It bugged her at a molecular level. Yet she is fine with giant Klipsch towers
Well, that and I had a mission to find some new speakers, which is always a fun pursuit.
She is a Klipsch lady at heart, so it was an easy transition.
I could not let go of the Ultra bookshelf speakers however, so for now they are performing rear surround duties. Once in a while I bring them into the office for proper listen.
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It's the, you know how they sound best look what's the problem. 
At that point I have nothing, 
what can I say he surely knows more than I do and knows what to listen for, so of course I do it. Not that I really have a choice, he just does it, he can be a persistent Bonehead at times. 
FS Parasound A52
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I'm often shocked at how poorly people pack things that are heavy or bulky, or anything at all.
Even companies are guilty of this. Amazon for example - I ordered brake rotors big ones, heavy. They came packed in thin wall cardboard box, thrown into a larger thin wall box with a 2 or 3 air pocket thingies. One of the rotors was ok but the other one had a major impact/ding in the rotor. So I RMA'd it, got the refund and re-ordered. Thankfully the replacement survived the trip.