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It's difficult to imagine that the speakers will not fit through the opening with the folding stairs, without removing the stairs. When the stairs are down, is there not space to fit a 24.5" x 24.5" square piece of cardboard through the opening while staying perpendicular to the angle of the stairs? If there is, then take them down the stairs.
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Dynaco_EL34,
You said, These speakers are in the attic of a building so there is plenty of room to take them apart. However, the attic opening is too small for the speakers to be removed.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
I'm still confused.
Are the La Scalas in the attic facing down toward grills that are in the ceiling in the room below the attic; Are you able to get into the attic; If so, are you able to move the speakers away from the grills; Are the speakers attached to the joists; and If you are able to get into the attic, how large is the opening through which you gain access?If you can get into the attic and then have plenty of room to take them apart it seems that it would be possible to take them out through the same opening to the attic through which you gain access to the attic. In the unlikely event that opening is less than 25 x 25, it seems like it should be easier to enlarge that opening than to remove the La Scalas through the grill openings.
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DizRotus, in studying your drawings I'm having difficulty seeing where the 9 1-/4 X 3 ramps are located, I'm a little thick, would they show the section A view?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Tom,
The ramps are located between the floor of the doghouse and the back wall of the cabinet. As indicated in the Motorboard Detail, the ramps are attached to the motorboard and the back wall of the cabinet. They are not shown in the Section A drawing, but they would be at the top of that drawing if they were shown.
The ramps are shown in shadow detail in the Front of Cabinet drawing. The attached exploded drawing that I believe forum member Marvel created might help you to visualize the location.
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Yes the top sections could be removed from the bass bins with a saw, but the results would not be pretty. More important, it would not solve your problem, as you would still need an opening at least 25 x 25 (La Scalas smallest cross sectional dimension is 24.5 x 24.5; see attached pdf). <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Through what opening would you gain access to the attic? What is the size of that opening? I know that I might not fit through an opening smaller than 25 x 25. If you can, is there another opening or potential opening in the attic? Many peaked roofs have a triangular louvered vent at one or both ends. Could such a vent or something else be removed?
No matter what, even if you find a simple solution, you should play upon the difficulty to persuade the seller that youre doing him/her a favor to remove those giant old speakers. Be kind and tell him/her that youll only charge $25 to eliminate the risk of those heavy speakers crashing through the ceiling some evening and crushing the beloved cat.
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It looks like we're making progress on the "Save The Cornwall Vault " project. Wpines has volunteered to be the next custodian in CTand to pay to get it there. BadDad has indicated a willingness to store it in Indy. Audible Nectar has expressed a willingness to pay to ship it via FA from DTW to Indy. Others have expressed a willingness to contribute to shipping it to the next storage location and MIkeGinillinois might need the vault to get a pair from FL to IL. See http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/963308.aspx.
If MIkeGinillinois decides to use it, then it would make sense for him to have it shipped to FL where his Cornwalls would be loaded and it would then be shipped to IL. From there, it could either stay in IL with MIkeGinillinois, go to BadDad in Indy or go to wpines in CT. If MIkeGinillinois decides not to use it, then it could go directly to wpines or BadDad.
If everyone potentially invloved wants to send me a PM with email and telephone contact info, I'll send replies back that will enable everyone to communicate directly with each other so that we can reach a consensus on the best course of action.
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The <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Cornwall vault might be the answer to your shipping problem. See the Cornwall Vault thread at http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/960509.aspx. Then contact the nearest Forward Air (FA) terminal (see http://www.forwardair.com/locations/falocations.htm) to find out the cost to get the empty 120# vault to Ocala, FL and how much to ship it with Cornwalls to the FA terminal nearest you. The rates are surprisingly reasonable and the vault would insure safe arrival of the speakers.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
If you want aditional information, send a PM.
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SOULD WE TAKE UP A COLLECTION? <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Ideally, as I understand it, the plan was to have the next user of the vault pay the freight to have it shipped from the Forward Air (FA) terminal near the then current storage point to the location of the Cornwalls, then pay to have it shipped to the users local FA terminal and then store it until needed again, at which time the process repeats. Alternatively, the last user could pay to have it shipped to the FA terminal near a storage location (our warehouse for the last two years) where it would remain until the next user paid to have it shipped out.
I just checked with FA in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Detroit. The cost to ship the vault (assuming it weighs 120#) from DTW to Indy would be less than $100, probably about $85. That creates the dilemma of how to pay the shipping to a new storage location to preserve the vault. The problem would be solved if someone near DTW with storage space could take on the custodial duties. If it has to be shipped to another storage location, who is willing to contribute to that expense?
Unless someone in the Detroit area has storage space, or unless someone in another location is willing to pay to have the vault shipped to another storage location, it will soon be recycled.
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BadDad,
There is a Forward Air (FA) terminal in Indy. See http://www.forwardair.com/locations/falocations.htm If it's sent from DTW to Indy by FA, all you would have to do is collect it at FA. If you're interested, I'll look into the details. Send a PM if you're interested.
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My advice would be to refurbish them yourself. New caps and a thorough cleaning should suffice. The auto-transformers should be fine; everything else should clean up and be as good as new.
If that's not your cup of tea, then I advise getting new or refurbished units from Bob Crites or Dean (if he makes them). You might find a lower price somewhere else, but you won't find a better deal. If price is always your ultimate criterion, then you're in for many disappointments.
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What is the total weight of the unit? <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Im not sure, but I was able to wrestle it (empty) into a van (on its side) by myself. Perhaps Gilbert or Audible Nectar can provide the weight.
Is a pallet truck the only way to move it around / is the pallet attached to it?
A lift-truck is the best, but not only, way (see above) to move it when empty. With Cornwalls inside, you would need a lift-truck or several strong bodies to move it.
The vault is attached to the pallet. It could be stored on its side. The top attaches with sheet metal screws. You could store things in it while its waiting to be used, so the net loss of storage space would be low.
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Allan,
It is too nice to be a daily driver, but it's great that it will be driven.
That's an eclectic bunch of cars visibile in the background of the photos, but Studebakers seem to be disproportionately represented. You'd probably have to go to South Bend to see more Studes in one place.
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Bump to reach the weekend crowd. I really don't want this resource to be lost to the forum.
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Why do so many, including your's truly on occasion, misspell Harman Kardon? It's only my unscientific theory, but I suspect that we unconsciously think of harmony when we misspell Harman as "Harmon."
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What's an "RD rider?" Two stroker I get.
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Ported La Scalas<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/761099.aspx
Who did it, are you happy with it, would you do it again, etc. ... the Lascala Bass bin addition
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Let's hope that someone close to a Forward Air terminal also has space to store it and a means to get it to and from the terminal. As of now, I have both, but the storage space will soon be an issue. I'll delay the recycling option as long as possible, but I don't want to wait to raise the issue until there is no time for others to consider taking custody.
Michael, you could use this to store a pair of Cornwalls, or a couple pair of Heresies from the "House of Klipsch" collection, so the net increase of space consumption would be nearly zero. Then at least some of your collection would proabably survive the next [insert natural or man-made disaster here] and be available for the archeologists to examine in future decades.
I stored your Heresies from Walled Lake, MI in it while I was holding them for you.
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Shepjk01,
You said, This pair of lascalas came from a bar in OH where Trey bought them . . . <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
The four speakers in the Four Abused La Scalas . . . thread also came from a bar in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Ohio, but it seems thats merely a coincidence.
The resurrection that you performed is miraculous. Thanks for the compliment, but you embarrass me by even suggesting that the refinishing of those speakers is in any way comparable to what you did. After cleaning away decades of Ohio bar grime, the high schools La Scalas received a quick face lift with plenty of black spray paint and aluminum edging to hide the many cabinet flaws. But we were after function rather than form.
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Michael,
It's not been used since I collected it from Forward Air two years ago. If no one claims it soon, the recycling center will be its next home.
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Very nice work!
Theyre stunning. Are those two of the four speakers referred to in the following thread ?
Four abused Lascalas need a good home - sold
http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/616881/ShowPost.aspx
EDIT: 090307 @1348 EDT
Im mistaken, Michael Colter sold the other two to Jay at Klipsch, not Trey. Nevertheless it's not beyond belief that they went from Jay to Trey before ending up in Fort Wayne. In any case, the two I bought didnt end up nearly so pretty, but they are performing noble service as reflected in the two threads linked above and below:
Ported La Scalas
http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/761099.aspx.
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EDIT: 05/28/2010. This thread was bumped to help johnhart locate the vault.
EDIT: 11/23/2007 Proceed to the end of the thread for the details.
The warehouse in which I rent space for my business is undergoing changes. I can no longer store the Cornwall vault without the landlord charging me additional rent. Please see the threads linked below for the details regarding the purpose and history of the vault. More specific questions should be directed to forum members Gilbert and/or Audible Nectar. I have merely been a custodian and, unfortunately, that must soon end. If the vault cannot be sent via Forward Air (or some other means) to another storage location, I will be compelled to take it to the scrap metal dumpster at the recycling center. That would be unfortunate. Cornwall vaulthttp://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/880634.aspx “Vault” searchhttp://forums.klipsch.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=vault+AND+sectionid%3a4&o=Relevance -
Thank you Arkytype for posting this thread. I can't take credit for the attached pdf. Some other forum member posted it some time ago and I saved it. Nevertheless, here it is. The whole article is attached as a single pdf.
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Welcome back Andy. Enjoy a safe Labor Day. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
I located your original thread on the H/K 430 series.[1] More important, I located your thread to Justin[2] that included your recommendations regarding the H/K X30 series receivers and they are quoted below in blue. Thank you!
1. Give it a good look-over...its outside appearance is an indicator of how well it was treated...be sure to note any residue that may be along the bottom edge of the front chromed panel(in the part that sticks out in the inside corner there along the bottom edge), indicating that it was recently cleaned with some kinda liquid cleaner to "spruce it up for selling".
DO NOT PLUG IT IN OR POWER IT UP YET!!
2. Now, if everything looks good, then remove the top screws of its cover...along the front edges where the cover slips under the face plate edge...set these screws aside...then remove the two screws on either side of the cover...at the bottom edge...they are larger than the top screws, so don't get them mixed up. Now remove the cover.
3. Give the inside of it a GOOD looking over...look for any signs of repairs, etc...look for any discoloration of transistors and such...if it is dusty, take some compressed air and blow it out GENTLY!! Make sure to give it a THOROUGH looking over...don't take a chance on missing anything. Now...if everything looks ok...go to the heat-sink section of the amp...look at the pots there...check for discoloration comparing them to each other...and also look for a pasty white build-up of a greasy substance where they mount to the heat-sinks along the bottom edges...there is normally a bit there...if it is more than just a faint amount, then GENTLY wipe up the excess with q-tips. Ensure the heatsinks are clean...dirty heatsinks don't wick off heat well!! Check out the tuner...look for crud in it...ensure the string is on like it is supposed to be and the tuning knob works everything properly...clean it up if you need to.
4. Now...look at the backside of the volume, bass, and treble control pots inside it...look for dust, cobwebs, etc...and goop build-up...check em out really well visually...and slowly turn the knobs back and forth...feeling for stiffness and any dragging in them , while looking at the pots on the inside to see if any goop becomes visible as you turn them. Do the same for the rotary source switch. Even if everything appears ok, it is best to now give these controls a shot of cleaner/lube while you have everything ready to do so. The same for the push button switches...check them for smooth operation and positive click on and off!! Clean/lube them too!!
5. Leave the cover off for awhile after you use the cleaner/lube so that the cleaner portion has time to evaporate off. Use q-tips to wipe up any excess lube. While you are waiting for this, you can check out the RCA jacks on the rear and clean them if needed...same goes for the grounds, fm antenna connections, and so on. Also, CHECK THE FUSES!!!...there are two speaker fuses and one unit fuse on the Rear panel, but there are ALSO two fuses INSIDE the unit!!(total of FIVE fuses!)...ENSURE THEY ARE THE PROPER!!!! FAST BLOW ONES and IN GOOD CONDITION, and that the fuse holders are clean and shiny inside...no goop...same for the caps to them! (the recommended fuse-type data is lettered on the back of the receiver!!!, and inside it for THOSE fuses!!!) Replace the cover, now.
6. Now you can hook up your source equipment, your speaker wires, and your FM antenna, then position the unit where you want it to be...let it sit for awhile before you power it up.
7. Before powering it up, ensure the bass, treble, and volume knob pointers are in correct position...if not, then remove the knobs and replace them with the pointers properly aligned...the same for the rotary switch knob.
8. Now plug the unit in, ensure the volume is all the way down, the bass and treble controls are at "flat"(<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />12 o'clock position), the speaker A&B switches are OFF, and all the other controls are off, too. Put the selector on your intended source, then turn the receiver on. Before using the speakers, use your headphones!! Turn the volume up just a bit and give the bass, treble, and volume controls a try...listen for scratchiness, deadspots, etc, in these controls...do not take the volume up past 2 o'clock!! Check out the bass and treble controls as you SLOWLY raise the volume!!
9. If everything sounds ok through the headphones, then turn the volume all the way down and turn on the speakers...then raise the volume to where you want it to be...SLOWLY!!
Older S/S equipment likes to be treated CORRECTLY! That means the volume is all the way down, and the speakers are off when you power it up...give it a few seconds, then turn on the speakers...then adjust the volume. It DOES NOT like to have its source switched with the volume UP!! Your speakers don't like it either!! Also, when powering down...first turn the volume down, wait a few seconds, then switch the speakers off...wait a few more seconds, and then turn the unit off...ok? This gives the caps a chance to discharge so that you don't give the Heresys a "whomp/whomp!!"
You will be surprised at the bass this unit puts out...it may take some getting used to, since it will at first be a surprise to you. If it seems a bit much, then turn the bass control back some! Everything you hear through your Heresys SHOULD be clear and concise with this unit...if it isn't, then something is wrong somewhere!! Somewhere past the 2 o'clock position on the volume control, is where clipping MAY begin to occur...you can VERY slowly turn it up to find this EXACT point during a musically-complex-passage...once you find it, immediately back-off the volume and stay away from there from now on!!
Enjoy it, take good care of it...and watch it gain in value on eBay...up til recently it has been a sleeper, but that is already changing!!
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Has anyone here actually refreshed the caps in any of the Harman Kardon X30 series receivers? See the related thread linked below.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/954362.aspx
If so, please share your experience.
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I'm interested in having it done, but not in doing it.
Where is the Cornwall Vault?
in 2-Channel Home Audio
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MIkeGinillinois decided not to use it. The two presently remaining options are to send it to wpines in CT or BadDad in Indy. I will investigate the cost to ship it empty to the two locations. When I get that info Ill contact each of them and ask permission to give each the others contact info so that they can discuss the relative advantages or disadvantages of either one becoming the custodian.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Unless someone has an imminent need of the vault, shipping it empty to the next custodian is the most reasonable way to preserve it for future use by forum members.
Does anyone have any other suggestions or strong feelings about CT vs. IN as the storage site?