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If your amp's too powerful is your significant other too good looking also? -
Parrots original question was, Is a small SET amp too powerful (for anyone)?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
His question was not any of the following:
Do you like SET; Do you prefer SET to (insert alternative topology here); Will SET play loud enough for your tastes; or Will SET play louder (with or without distortion) than you like or need?Any of the four questions above could reasonably be answered YES or NO.
IMO, all of the YES answers, so far, have actually addressed a variation of one of the alternatives posed above. Ive yet to read a YES reply that, IMO, satisfactorily explains how a low powered amp could ever be too powerful. Powerful enough and too powerful are not synonymous.
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I would suggest switching the squawker drivers from speaker to speaker. If the problem stays with the now silent driver, then the problem is probably the voice coil, and you'll need a replacement diaphragm. If the now silent driver works in the other speaker then the problem is probably in the network.
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The Question was "Is a small SET amp too powerful (for anyone)?" and I should have started my post with yes and then written the rest of the post. Because in my small living room with my La Scalas they could play louder than I listened at. My post was from my experiences only and why I think the answer to Parrots question is yes.
Allan Songer:
Acoustic jazz performed live in the studio recorded on a single track (or maybe two)."
Erik Mandaville:
In your opinion (which I also happen to share in this case)
Here's another way of looking at it: I like Indian curry, but wouldn't worry very much (much less call you a moron) if you preferred Chinese.
I try not to curry favor and I definitely do not favor curry, whether Indian or Chinese. Food preferences, like audio, are all about personal taste. Those who dont share our tastes are not morons.
Nevertheless, dont lose sight of the fact that this whole thread appears to have been started as a sarcastic bait. Parrot would probably answer NO. I would agree with that answer to the question as posed, but I disagree with Parrot on many other fronts. Parrot has repeatedly indicated his dislike of SET specifically and low powered amps in general. He has a right to his opinions and to express those opinions. No one should attack others for their opinions.
SET amps have their fans and their place, as do PP and SS, etc. The original question asked, Is a small SET amp too powerful (for anyone)? Its difficult to imagine a scenario where the answer could be anything other than NO. The fact that an SET, or other low powered amp, can play efficient speakers at a volume that is louder than the listener would choose does not equate to confirming that the amp is too powerful.
Acoustic jazz from efficient Klipsch speakers in a small room would make a quality SET amp shine. But that doesnt preclude the use, or preference, of a more powerful topology. A large space with amplified rock replayed at live convert levels would be better with more power. Even the most ardent flea power advocate would not try to fill an auditorium with DSOTM at live concert levels without plenty of power.
Amy, Ive met the Parrot. Take away his keyboard and hes not so abrasive, he wouldnt have survived if he were. You could probably take him in a fair fight.
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For me it's not a matter of "better," but which would I prefer to own or drive. The answer is the Corvette. Each would be better for some tasks than the other and vice versa, but, on balance, I'd choose the plastic fantastic 283 cid stovebolt.
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Mike-
Glad to hear they sound great. When you have them totally dialed in I'd like to pay another visit to hear the results.
At $135.50/bass bin, that's tough to beat.
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The eBay listing says, "This is truly a speaker for the hardcore Klipsch collector."
Now, who do we know who fits that description?
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You need CO2 cartridges for your home soda fountain so you go to the local grocery/party store to buy them. You place a CO2 cartridge on the check-out conveyor belt with the bottom facing you and the top facing in the direction of the belt's motion. While the belt is moving away from you (moving the cartridge with it), you accidentally puncture the top of the cartridge (don't worry about how) and the cartridge instantly rockets in the direction opposite the belt's motion. The thrust produced by the escaping gas cares not what the conveyor belt is doing. The motion of the belt will have no discernable effect upon the cartridge as it shoots in the opposite direction.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
The plane flies.
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LS3/5a's do not lend themselves to tubes. They're very inefficient.
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It's my recollection that it was an ad for Maxell recording tape.
EDIT at 2011 EST:
My recollection was correct. See
http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/16/maxell-brings-back-the-blown-away-guy/
which was produced by googling "Blown Away ad"
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Fini-
Thanks for the link.
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Has anyone read the article "Modifying Dynaco's SCA-35" in the August 2004 issue of AudioXpress? Im considering tinkering with a Dynaco's SCA-35 and would buy the 2004 back issues if the article is worthwhile. Ill probably buy the whole 2004 set of back issues in any event, but it would be nice to hear any opinions of those who might have read it.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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Thanks for the well wishes. Today, 11/12, is the day. I'll observe it by drving to Oxford, MI to deliver a pair of CW1526 woofers to Forum member Guiness to put into the nearly free Speakerlab SKhorn bass bins he acquired in the deal involving Forum member Speakerfritz.
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Michael-
On 11/7 it was 2 days to yours (11/9) and 5 days to mine (11/12).
Does the photo of you with the Diet Rock Star attached to the above post display for you? All I see is the ubiquitous red X, but I can click on the attachment and see the photo.
EDIT 11/9 @ 17:34 EST:
I changed the file name and reattached the photo above so now it works.
That emergency Forum network worked quite well that day you went to collect the La Scalas. As I recall Bob Crites, Sputnik and others mobilized quickly to get Thumpelstiltskin's address and phone number. When I finally spoke with Mrs. T to ask if you'd made contact, she asked, "Is he the curly headed one standing in the driveway?"
I knew then that you'd arrived.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOR REAL TODAY!
It was November 7, 2005 when we exchanged La Scalas for cash and a bunch of old Advents in the parking lot of a truck Stop in Fort Wayne, IN.
While sharing lunch, you didn't tell me then that it was two days before your birthday, but I didn't tell you it was five days before mine. You were brave to try the meatloaf special.
Another year has passed one day at time.
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That's my dilemma too. No time and no space. I dont see where youre in any better shape on either front. Take a deep breath and let someone else play with these.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Any special plans for your birthday?
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"All I can say, is that the fourm member has a set of 511's, a set of 902's, and a set of 2404's ready to go into the cabs."
What will be used for woofers? I have a pair of NIB Bob Crites CW1526 woofers that I would part with for $150.00.
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Send an email and/or PM to Craig http://forums.klipsch.com/members/NOSValves.aspx.
He's the H.H. Scott guru around here.
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The world lost a genius 50 years ago today.
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Who is the lucky forum member?
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Michael-
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Enjoy your birthday on Thursday and enjoy your new speakers everyday.
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Au Contraire, they are in the Parts Express Catalog. The Tang Band drivers are listed at: http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&DID=7&WebPage_ID=144&CFID=786096&CFTOKEN=34420933 , where you will also find a PDF of each drivers specs. The Pioneer driver is at: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=290-010. For the throw-ins, youre on your own
The Fostex plans for the rear-loaded enclosure and a simple ported enclosure are included in the original thread that is linked above. But for you I will attach that PDF to this post.
You cant be serious. With your Klipsch Heritage refuge and your new responsibilities in Indy, why would you want to mess with these?
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$50.00 (free shipping) will get you several pairs of nearly new Tang Band and one pair of Pioneer full range drivers.[1] Thats about a third of the new cost from Parts Express, not counting the throw-ins. They should go to someone who has the time and inclination to put them into service. I have one pair of each of the following. The current Parts Express price for each speaker is indicated.
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TB 656S; $22.14 each
TB 616S; $18.99 each
TB 654 S; $18.99 each
PIONEER A11EC80-02F 4-1/2" <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />FULLRANGE $10.99 each
I would also throw in several pairs of Pioneer 10-1054LA/XCN full range drivers that Parts Express frequently sells for less than $1.00 each and a pair of small computer speakers of unknown make (they were a Parts Express special).
If you link to the thread regarding the experiment for which these were obtained, you will see that they acquitted themselves well in the Fostex designed rear-loaded enclosures. They would also work well in small vented enclosures.
Also, Im looking for a pair of K-55/Atlas PD-5VH drivers.
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Those Duevel speakers remind me of the first "stereo" system I ever heard in 1967. It was a Zenith "Circle of Sound" system that was mostly plastic with each speaker consisting of a small (4"-5"?) "full range" driver firing topward a cone to disperse the reflected sound 360 degrees.
The fidelity of the system was no match for my father's DIY Heathkit tube and bass-reflex mono system, but the fact that they were 2-channel made them impressive. By today's standards, most clock radios would sound better.
Is a small SET amp too powerful (for anyone)?
in 2-Channel Home Audio
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Colin, you answered, "YES. Mine are. Beyond the 10:00 posistion on the volume dial, my 3.5 watt 2A3 tube Paramours (6-watt max) driving the mid and upper horns on my Khorns in a small, but open, room are TOO POWERFUL. The C rated, slow, SPLs in the mid-90s are too LOUD."
I respectfully suggest that you have answered the third and/or fourth alternative (posted above) to Parrots original question in the affirmative. An amp is not too powerful just because it will play louder (with or without tolerable distortion) than your desired listening level. If your statement above genuinely supported a yes answer, it would mean that maximum desired listening level would be at maximum available volume (gain). Who among us would seriously want an amp that played just loud enough only when the volume (gain) is pegged?