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Baby needs a new pair of shoes ...... I mean woofers

Teach a man to throw a Fisher back ..... and you save a marriage.

Give a man a Fisher and ,,,,

Khorn on the skid

Cincinnati; I was born and grew up there. OK, I'll do the dumpster dive and slavage those baby Advents for you, but you MUST take them off my hands (free of course) at the La Scala exchange. Ft. Wayne works for me.

Dave, We dusted it for prints. Yours are all over it. Check your email. Since Michael is on the wagon regarding new gear, it's yours for $25 plus shipping. I suggest Fed Ex Ground. I'll box it up and deliver it to Fed Ex (UPS or whatever), but the cost of shipment would be yours. Send me an email or PM if you're interested.

I can't wait to part with it. My wife screamed when she saw it. More audio stuff is not what I need. If Michael Colter rejects it, you are next in line.

Bill, Almas is nice, but it was nicer in the days (30 years ago) when the store was still in Birmingham and I could hear Khorns powered by McIntosh. I lived in Terr Haute briefly in 1976 (?) in School House Apartments, not far from The Action Track. My brother and I saw our first dirt track sprint car race there. What a gas. As I, recall, Gary Bettenhausen won.

Michael, There are two (or three, it was late) pairs of large Advent walnut cabinets. None has drivers, i.e., none would benefit from re-coning. They're safely in the warehouse, and they're yours. Only the two (or three) pairs of small Advents (all vinyl) have drivers. Do you want any or all of those? I can do a dumpster dive and get them back. The vinyl clad cabinets are a mess. It hardly seems worth the time and/or $ to bring them back to life. As indicated in the above posts, the vinyl large Advents have drivers that are in excellent condition (they might have been refurbished and I don't think the grill cloth is original. Naturally, you have right of first refusal on any and all of this stuff. I've already been contacted through the Forum by someone in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Boston who is interested in the '56 Khorn. The shipping to Beantown will probably be a deal breaker. In case anyone has missed it, all of the stuff recently collected is available to any Forum member, subject to your right of first refusal. The Khorn is $150 and any combination of the rest is $50. Shipping is the responsibility of the buyer (not counting you Michael, I'll deliver whatever you want at the La Scala exchange). After I recoup the $50, anything that's left is free. How close to Detroit will you be on your trip back to Indy from Ohio? Would it make sense to meet on or near the Ohio or Indiana Turnpikes? The band director is excited about the La Scalas. I'll recap the X-overs, throw on a coat of black paint and expose another generation to the high volume and low distortion of efficient horn loaded Klipsch speakers. FYI, I stopped into Almas Hi-Fi (local Klipsch dealer) yesterday to see if they had any Heritage for the band director to audition. The kid in there said that used Heritage never stay around long and that theyll order, but do not stock, new Heritage.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

With prompting from that enabler Michael Colter, I purchased a 1956 Khorn cabinet and the seller threw in a bunch of stuff. See "1956 Khorn...." in Updates & Modifcations forum. Included was a JVC JR-S301 receiver as shown in the attached photo. Other than "It's Ugly!" what can anyone tell me about this? EDIT: 10-29-2005 9:23 AM (EDT) The unit is available for $25.00. Shipping from 48009 would be your responsibility. I will box it well and deliver it to the carrier of your choice at no charge, but the cost to ship is not included. EDIT: 10-30-2005 7:54 AM (EST) The large Advents are also available for $25. A description and photos are posted deeper in this thread.

JVC JR-S301

Large Advent with grill

Michael, I picked up the “pile o stuff.” Most of it’s junk. Nevertheless, as I type this I’m listening to Dave Brubeck through the JVC JR-S301 receiver and the only functional pair of large Advents. I’d say that these alone and the Khorn cabinet are worth more than $200. I wasn’t able to take pictures as I unloaded and tossed rejects, as the battery in my camera was dead. The Fisher speakers went immediately into the dumpster, as did two pairs of rough looking vinyl clad foamless small Advents. There are two pairs of walnut large Advents without drivers. They’re hoping for a last minute reprieve from the Governor, but they’re probably headed to the dumpster soon. The cabinets of the large walnut advents are ok and could be made to look decent; the grill cloths are not so good. Personally, I can’t see investing the time or money in bringing them back to life. If anyone wants them, they’re free to a good home…heck they’re free to any home. The Zenith Allegro (2-way 10” bass reflex with Piezo horn tweeter) and the plastic JBL satellite/sub system are sitting in the warehouse with a “FREE” sign on them. If you want either or both, let me know and I’ll put them away. The JVC JR-S301 is seriously ugly but works well. A guy selling one on eBay claims 60WPC. The large Advents are vinyl clad and in decent shape. They appear to be older than the walnut large Advent cabinets. My hopes of moving the drivers from the vinyl large to the walnut large were dashed. The maximum diameter of the woofer in the vinyl is 12”; there is not 12” of space on the front board of the walnut. The large Advents sound like …. large Advents from the 70s, except they sound different under the influence of sobriety. The mid-bass is somewhat exaggerated and the highs are subdued. Remember the New England sound? I prefer the sound of my Radio Shack rear horn project speakers, which don’t compare to Cornwalls. I might let the high school use the receiver and the Advents until I get the La Scala system up and running. Again, if you want ANY of this now smaller “pile o Stuff” just say the word. The Khorn cabinet could be resurrected as furniture, but not by me. I see it’s highest use as the bass bin only. For someone considering building a Khorn bass bin this would save them the trouble. It would be easy to make a new motor-board with the proper throat, add a new K-33 ($129.00) and you’ve got a Klipsch bass bin. Let me know if you want any of this stuff, including the Khorn, and I’ll bring the stuff with me when I collect the La Scalas. Photos of the vinyl large Advents and the JVC receiver are attached to this and subsequent posts. Thanks for your assistance with the high school’s sound system.

Travisc You can't go wrong for $200, especially now that it includes "a pile o stuff." Thanks for bringing this to the attention of Forum members.

Michael, Check your email and give me a call. If you tell me to, I'll give him $200 for the lot and you can then reimburse me. I'll get them into a warehouse until you can collect them. I didn't inspect anything but the Khorn, but for $200, you can't go wrong. Edit 8AM EDT: I just realized that I missed your call last night. Call again this morning. Then I'll call Greg and make the arrangements.

Michael- If you're serious, check your email. I'd be willing to go get the stuff and park it in my warehouse for a short time.

Ben said, "If its similar to any band room I've seen, I'm sure dozens of speakers would work better than Corns. I do find it pretty funny that the schmuck out in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Hawaii left the risers on the CWs!" <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Ben- It is similar to most band rooms, but dozens of speakers would take up way too much space. But seriously, there are dozens of speakers that would be as good or better, but Corns installed differently would do fine. Back in April, you posted in the thread; Wall mounted Cornwalls don't cut it That thread included photos of Wendy Carloss (Switched on Bach) Cornwalls suspended from the ceiling with risers still in place. Ive attached part of the response from the University of Hawaiis Grant. Okamura (typos intact) regarding the wall mounted Corns. The Klipsch Cornwalls don't sound very good in that configuration. Our AV guy just went in and placed them up there and I wished he had consulted with me before doing it. I've spent years as an audio consultant and have designed speakers and used to do modifications to amps and stuff. Have not done the amps stuff recently and advances in amp design has left me behind. I love tube amps and there are only a few transistor amps that I think are ok. But I still do a lot of audio work. The Cornwalls don't work very well in its present location. The tweeter and midrange fire way over the heads of the students and they sound their best standing in the percussion section. They are spaced too far apart for good imaging. Because its on the balcony face the surface area does not give enough reinforcement to the bass and they sounds really thin. On my equipment it has a roll off around 110 so it sounds more like a midrange speaker. I sometimes bring it a subwoofer that I designed and it sounds much better. We have another set of Cornwalls in a different room and it sounds very good there. It has a very exciting sound with a bit of resonances here and there but they seem pretty controlled. If Corns are used, I would mount them upside down with the woofers close to the ceiling and angled down toward the center of the room. That would reinforce the bass and allow the highs and mids to spread better throughout the space, thus minimizing the problems identified by Grant Okamura.

Michael said, "I'm about 5 hours from Detroit and have truck, so transport no problem, and I've not seen my buddy Picky for a while..." Michael, compared to driving to Florida for La Scalas, this is like a trip to the corner. Jump in your truck and come get this "pile o stuff" before it gets away. If you come to town, be sure to let me know, perhaps I could help you load.

The seller is Greg. Hes allowed me to post his email (hpims@comcast.net) and telephone number (586-726-9563). Hes eager to empty his garage.

I'm meeting with the director on Wednesday. I'll take some measurements then. Even without the measurements, I can recall that it's a large rectangular space with ~20" ceiling, walls lined with metal lockers and, no carpet and stackable chairs for 200 people. The acoustical properties are much different with >150 students in place than they are when the room is empty.

Here is the email that I received from the seller. Thats a lot of stuff for $200. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

The promised email with inventory has not yet arrived. I was able to see several pairs of Advents, and several other speakers, including large floor standing Fisher speakers. I wasn't able to identify which were JBL. The JVC receiver did not look like much. In any case, it appeared to be worth $200 if you've got a way to collect and store the stuff. If I get that inventory I'll post it. If you would like to send an email to the seller, go to: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1134170345 where you can send a messgae.

Other photo.

A solid 1956 Khorn cabinet only is available in Metro-Detroit for $150, cash & carry. For $200, cash & carry, you can get the Khorn cabinet and miscellaneous Advent, JBL, Fisher and other speakers, plus a JVC receiver and some other audio stuff. The seller promised to send an email with a more thorough inventory. If he does, Ill post it. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Another forum member, travisc, started the thread: single Khorn cabinet audiogon . The cabinet that is the subject of that thread is featured at: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1134170345. The guts to a 1954 Khorn (essentially the same units that were removed from this cabinet) are available on eBay at: OLD KLIPSCH KLIPSCHORN UNIVERSITY STEPHENS SPEAKERS. This could be just the opportunity for someone trying to match an existing speaker of similar vintage. I examined the cabinet today and took some photos. One is attached to this post and another is attached to the next post. In addition, there is a photo of the cabinet at the audiogon site and a photo of the build-sticker in the other thread. The cabinet appears to be solid. Its not fine furniture. It would take quite a bit of work and $ to turn it into furniture. I originally considered getting it just for the bass bin, and Ive not totally ruled out that possibility. Nevertheless, if a Forum member wants this, Id be willing to collect it and keep it in my warehouse for a month or so until it could be collected. Im not willing to get involved in shipping these items. Send an email if youre interested.

I'm looking for suggestions regarding a sound system for a high school band roopm. The details are in the thread: Music playback in band room in the General Questions Forum. All input is welcomed. Thanks,