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On 9/5/2018 at 11:05 AM, ClaudeJ1 said:
To answer your 2 questions in the order asked: No. Yes.
This is not a diminishing returns upgrade, this is a "get your money/time's worth" upgrade. I would have it no other way.
Okay, the only Cornwalls I can find in Florida are these Pro versions, listed in Daytona Beach. Are they actually WORTH $950 for the pair in the shape they are in?
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That looks to be a great deal!
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On 9/6/2018 at 9:52 AM, Chris A said:
See the following PWK article from 1970 (Audio magazine) that describes the greater portion of the "why": The Mud Factor.pdf
Note that properly done horn-loaded loudspeakers have generally inaudible levels of modulation distortion over direct radiating loudspeakers, even at very high SPL--a fact that is consistently overlooked by audiophile magazines and other self-appointed audio equipment rating "experts"--because they don't recognize that it's the difference in modulation distortion levels that they hear when comparing horn-loaded to direct radiating.
Also note that bass modulation distortion is at least an equal factor in loudspeaker clarity as midrange modulation distortion. You should try to hear a pair of La Scalas, Belles, Klipschorns, or Jubilees, all with horn-loaded bass bins to understand the full meaning of "clarity". This is also true of the multiple entry horns of Danley Sound Labs and the earlier Sound Physics Labs. Clarity is the distinguishing feature of all these loudspeakers.
Chris
Thank you for the linked article! So, the smaller the excursion on the diaphragm, the amount of flexion is smaller reducing the distortion. That makes sense from a strictly mechanical point of view. The more you move the woofer diaphragms out of shape, twisting and flexing the cone, the shape will be "off" when producing multiple sounds simultaneously. Harmonics might be easier to produce, since the wave form is already "shaped", and therefore the distortion would be less disturbing to the human ear.
I've watched some woofers shuddering, especially with some of the more "modern" stuff. The rap / street / techno / house stuff full of artificial bass (primarily produced by the Roland TR-808 rhythm "computer" from the late '70's onward) really do a number on woofers and subs. It's never really been my cup o' tea, but each to their own. It IS fun to watch the speakers work to produce these sounds.
I was in the Navy back in the early '80's when I first ran into some Klipsch equipment being utilized on stage. Grand Funk Railroad was playing at a large local club which could hold 5 - 600 people at a guess. I was at one side of the stage, near one of the speaker stacks, where I remember seeing the Klipsch logos. That was a good concert, because I noticed that Mark (lead singer and guitarist) was tripping over his cord rather frequently. I grabbed the cord and started paying it out when he went to the other side, and pulled it back in when he got closer. He realized what I was doing the gave me a fast thumbs up. This in turn got the roadies bringing me beer all night, which I was totally okay with. After the show I met the band and crew, and they signed a set of drumsticks for me. It was a blast. I just wish I could remember what the speakers were.
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Klipsch La Scala speakers in very good condition Vinyl wood grain cabinets. Awesome sounding.richmond.craigslist.org
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They look to be in decent shape for the age:
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It’s a shame, really. They are fantastic speakers. They should reissue the Epic 3 and 4’s in the heritage line.
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On 9/3/2018 at 5:33 PM, ClaudeJ1 said:
You won't believe the difference when you upgrade the tweeters to DE-120's and DaveA's Metal Horn Lenses (the Convex Ellipticals are the smoothest yet). I'm also working on testing the DE-110, since the 120's may not be available for long.
Would the K-79-K drivers from a Chorus II give the same upgrade as these that you mention? Or are the DE models so much better?
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Never mind, I see that my post was a little late in the game.
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1 hour ago, omar4 said:
Looking at some cf-3, but, can't see them in person to check the port length. How to tell the version by the serial number. When did they switch to version 2 in the fall of '94? These are sept of 94 according to the serial numbers.
Thanks in advance.
Mine were also built in September of '94, and they are version 1. The serials are three number Julian day, and then the next two are the year reversed.
So the ones that I own start with 25149, 251st day of '94, roughly September 8th. If yours are also in September, you should also have the Version 1 model.
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On 9/1/2018 at 11:46 PM, ThedukeMW said:
I promise to post a better picture. Right now I am basking in music. I can’t seam to play enough songs fast enough. Just put the system together a few hours ago.
Congratulations on the new purchase. I think you will be very happy with the result.
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I bought a few of these, and the "Quarter Pie" logos off this guy in Kazakhstan. They are decent quality, but in this case the lines were not red. A red Sharpie took care of that little detail:
Here's his logo (with color added) on my Super Heresy:
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Maybe advertising the price in American dollars will help:
At the exchange rate today, the cost is only $1,525.
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15 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
Remember, I modded the Heresys into Super Heresys for the MIDRANGE where we live.
You certainly did. I can testify to that. I appreciate your efforts on a daily basis now. (I am now looking for Cornwalls locally, in anticipation of your new mod...)
A pic with the KP-101 on top of the Super Heresy!
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1 hour ago, willland said:
Pretty common in my rigs. Better recordings with gear and speakers that bring out more resolution and a lower noise floor can contribute to these changes. When I first heard "I Can't Tell You Why" by the Eagles in my living room rig with my Yamaha gear and RB-75's, I heard nuances and layers in the music that I had never noticed before. This has happened more than once with other artists and recordings.
Bill
I just did "Black Water" - Doobie Brothers, and I see what you are saying about the layers and nuances. Interesting.
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4 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
Looks like you have lots of setup options. Which tweeters in the Supers??
Just the stock K-77 version that came in the Heresy when I got it. They work, but that's all I know about them.
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11 minutes ago, Schu said:
Flourishes... Arpeggio?
Yes, occasionally!
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9 hours ago, dtr20 said:
Welcome to klipsch. What are you running? Klipsch speakers will bring out sounds you have never heard before compared to cheaper speakers. They will do amazing things to good recordings, and bring out flaws in bad recordings.
Nothing outlandish, a pair of KG4's on front right and left, a pair of @ClaudeJ1 Super Heresy for the mids, and KP-101's for the back right and left. The Onkyo 7.1 surround amp can be set to send stereo signals to all speakers, so I do that for the music. Then I don't have to change anything when watching a movie in surround. I think I will put the supers as the primary R-L, and relegate the KG's to the middle surround position. Or maybe the KP-101's in the mid spot, and the KG's to the back R-L.
I don't know, what do you all think?
(BTW, I am in LOVE with the Super Heresy pair! Just amazing...)
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I'm listening to some Eagles this morning, and I am hearing some subtle things, riffs under the main melody line that I haven't heard before, some "flourishes", things like that.
Is this a common thing that happens around here? You get into some decent Klipsch, and suddenly music you thought you knew well "comes to life", and starts giving you a new level of sound?
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On 8/27/2018 at 3:57 PM, DEP14 said:
He came to my place to buy my 30's. Based on pictures, they look pretty good. One scratch on the side that I suspect Restor-a-finish could buff out.
Honestly I wanted them for the cherry cabinets, was going to swap my V1 stuff into them.
Offer that deal to him. Pay him a grand for the cherry cabs, do the swap. He will get to keep a set, and you get the finish you want...
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The KP's came in today, and they look and sound great. Nowhere near the SPL of the Heresy, but really good for a back pair.
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On 8/26/2018 at 10:29 PM, dwilawyer said:
How do you have them hooked up to computers? Do you run computer output through any type of amp?
I use a PCIE sound card with 7.1 surround capability. I go from the optical out to an Onkyo 7.1 receiver opt in. For music, I set the receiver to push left and right inputs to all speakers attached to that particular "side", and then push anything below 50Hz to the powered sub. It makes for a very nice sound stage. Tom Petty is sitting directly in front of me as we speak.
For the front right and left, I am using KG4's. For the center channel, I have two of the small Klipsch speakers from a surround set, both wired into the same channel. I know that halves the resistance, but this amp seems to handle 4 ohms just fine with smaller speakers. I have those two on either side of my monitor, angled in at 45 degrees, and they act like a larger speaker sitting directly in front of me. A "virtual" center speaker, as it were. The mid right and left are the Heresy twins, one of which is upgraded to a Super. You can REALLY tell the difference between the stock and the Super version. Just amazing. I will most likely be upgrading the other Heresy this week.
I don't have any speakers for the back right and left yet, but help is on the way. I purchased a pair of Klipsch Pro KP-101, and they should be here in a couple of days.
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Are those the speakers that came out of the Hard Rock?
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Anyone have any of these? Are they worth messing with at $250 a pair?
Thank you in advance!
Forte ???
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It's a KG4. I should know the back of them, I own 4.
Here's a pic of the back of a Forte 1, check the relational sizes between the passive radiator to the overall size, and the distance between the radiator and the input cup:
Now, here is the back of a KG4: