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Why is the LaScala one of the weakest bass outputting speakers that Klipsch makes? I mean damn the thing has a 15" sub in a folded horn cabinet (which is massive, btw) and it outputs less bass than a Cornwall with the same sub in a direct radiating config. I never understood it.
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7 hours ago, EpicKlipschFan said:
also, who the heck needs 130db in their home!?? i have been to A-list rock concerts that reach into the 120dbs & youre ears are muffled & ringing for days afterwards!
When I saw Tool in January 2020, just before covid really took off in the US, I thought it was too damn loud and the treble was hot as hell. Everyone always talked about how incredible Tool sounded live but I was like "nah it sounds better on my headphone rigs" and now that I have a competent 2-channel setup there's no comparison. I wish I had taken a db reading at the concert. But yeah it felt like I had cotton in my ears the rest of the night. I saw Post Malone at the same venue a month later and I thought he sounded better and my ears didn't feel like they were stuffed afterwards. And I'm a HUGE Tool fan....
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9 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
Height only matter to a GAF or WAF as a factor, when the majority of guys are concerned, but only to keep the piece, I mean peace
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11 hours ago, jjptkd said:
There's more than one way to get there bud-- I myself refuse to neuter my speakers especially when my typical listening levels are at less than half a watt not a lot of excursion to limit but cutting lower frequencies has a dramatic effect on the sound and impact.
This is exactly my sentiments. I will not be high pass filtering my mains. My amp doesn't even allow such foolery. Any bass management will be managed on the subs themselves.
13 hours ago, jjptkd said:So a little more information is needed for a good recommendation-- seems you're stuck on a couple key points you want a stereo pair and they have to be fairly small, budget at $3k. Are these for music only or mix with TV duty? How loud do you listen? Are you looking for car stereo level of bass performance? Would you consider / could you fit a larger single subwoofer? If you cross the sub over at 50hz or less the bass is non-directional and the LFE input blends both channels-- if you could fit a single larger sub between the Cornwalls and cross them over at 40-50hz you could get a sub that reaches down to 20hz no problem with probably 4x's the output of the REL's.
Yes definitely a stereo pair. Music is what's most important. So, a sealed design is preferable. I'm totally happy with the sound I have now. I just want something prettier and nicer, more on the same level as my Cornwall IVs. Damn doesn't anyone make wood veneer subs anymore?
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11 hours ago, jjptkd said:
Yeah not to bust your chops here and it is your money but $3k for a pair of subs crossed over at 40hz with a -6db point at 27hz is an awful lot of money to pay for less than a 10hz lower extension of your mains.
It's all good brother! But my cheap Klispch subs I think is rated down to maybe 34hz and even it adds enough low-end grunt and impact to be worth having hooked up!
8 hours ago, EpicKlipschFan said:everyone has their favorite brands & reasons for liking them... but SVS has some very nice subs & in that price range of $1500 i think their $1500 comparable sub is easily as good if not better in performance alone, but will REL refund your money if youre not happy? or allow full value trade in to upgrade?? or let you transfer the warranty to a new owner if you sell it after a couple years? all those things are huge benefits that have value when buying a new sub.
turning your nose up at SVS is fine if justified... but theres a reason why "everyone buys a damn SVS" they are very good performing subs for any given price point & have a lot more benefits than any other sub brand out there.
I can't disagree with anything you said. And I have no good reason for it, basically it comes down to me sorta being a subwoofer hipster lmao. Which is pretty dumb.
If money and space were no object I'd have a JL Fathom beside each Cornwall. Hell I basically have a passive Fathom sitting in my room unused and not hooked up. I had 4 JL Audio 13.5" w6 subs in a Chevy Tahoe 15 years ago. I still have 3 of these subs sitting in my house unused.
The reason I'm stuck on REL is I find those drivers intoxicating to look at and SPACE! I can fit one beside each CWIV in the exact spot my current subs sit. Anything bigger and I'd have to put my mains closer together and my mains are perfectly placed. OR I could put bigger subs on the insides of my speakers.Out of curiosity, which subs would you guys get at $1500 each? Maybe I'll reconsider....I don't have space for folded or tapped horns though...so let's stick with direct radiating subs...
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On 2/9/2022 at 10:28 AM, EpicKlipschFan said:
agree with using subs for 99% of speakers out there, klipsch or other brand.
the fact that you heard an improvement to big cornwalls with even cheap subs just goes to show that even "big boy" speakers can benefit from using subs, even smaller ones. majority of speakers fall off after 40hz or maybe upper 30hz, decent subs play down into the 20's or even teens & will add that missing lower octave for most music & especially movies. i have chorus 2 & have owned countless other large klipsch & other brands, they all benefit from subs, even smaller ones. you dont "need" huge subs or horn loaded subs as some insist to increase the performance of most speakers, especially heresy or lascala that are definitely lacking on lower bass.
depending on your budget, i would suggest looking into SVS for all their benefits from cust service to warranty to free in home trials & upgrade program, even their entry level subs are as good or far better than your $200 klipsch sub. the mid range 2000/3000 SVS subs are top rated & will be all many/most people will ever need for music/movies on the average mid-fi system in a small to medium sized room. i have dual SVS SB2000 in a 21x15 room & they are barely set at half of max volume with excellent performance. yes there are better/bigger/way more expensive subs or even good deals for DIY subs, but if youre happy with those klipsch subs, you will be amazed at others a little higher up the food chain.
I've got my sights set on a pair of REL T9/x subs. I don't know why but I've always just kinda turned my nose up at SVS. I just feel like everyone buys a damn SVS lol.
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On 2/11/2022 at 8:55 AM, Islander said:
You can improve that performance a bit by positioning your Scalas in or close to corners, or at least close to the front wall (the wall behind the front speakers). Quite a few hi-fi writers say that most speakers should be pulled out well into the room for best sound, but La Scalas are not most speakers.
I feel exactly the same about Cornwalls. I tell folks all the time "don't neglect the wall part of the Cornwall name" haha. Mine are 2" from the front wall at their closest point.
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17 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
More like 80 Hz., since below 104 Hz. the LaScala is not a short horn but, gradually, as you go lower and lower, it's a direct radiator firing into a really tight "corner".
Wow really? What does Klipsch rate the FR at? Seems to me a sub is a must with LS.
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On 2/2/2022 at 6:01 PM, babadono said:
It will definitely add some low end punch to La Scala bass. If it is for music why not give 'em a spin. And i say don't crossover the La Scalas. Let them play full range and only limit how high the sub goes. At least try it that way.
Agreed! Absolutely do not high pass filter your LS! Just let the new sub fill in where the LS falls off. Probably 40-50hz.
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So I used these speakers for about 8 months and got used to them and told myself I didn't even need a sub. Mostly because I felt the subs I already had weren't up to the task. I have 2 R-12SW Klipsch subs I used for home theater for years. But I finally integrated them into my 2-channel setup and I integrated them in a way so that they're only picking up where the Cornwalls fall off. I have them at their lowest crossover setting (40hz) and I'm still running my speakers full range, as you should, IMO.
The detailed, fast and textured bass of the Cornwalls still shines through but now they just reach a little lower and are more impactful. On most songs the subs aren't even doing anything. And on the songs that do call upon them they aren't bringing any attention to themselves. They're perfectly integrated, IMO.
This revelation in sound has me looking at upgrading my subs. I've been looking at a pair of REL T9/x subs. I'd run them on their high-level inputs right off the speaker taps on the CWIVs.
Aside from that I'm still impressed how well I was able to integrate these $200 subs into my system.
Anyway, I just wanted to share that experience. Not really looking for suggestions or advice or anything lol.
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13 hours ago, Ady said:
Glad that this positioning works for you as well 👍 I think it works well having them face you directly because you get less reflected sound than if they were flat against the back wall.
Out of interest what amplification do you use with yours?
Cheers Ady
I use an audiolab 6000a Play integrated amp and a Schiit Modius DAC
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On 1/31/2022 at 4:24 PM, Ady said:
Hi,
I have recently traded in my cornwall iii for the 4's and I have them 11ft apart close to the wall and toe'd in so the speaker faces me directly. I sit 11ft away and find in this position I get the most detailed soundstage.
Cheers Ady
This is precisely how mine are set up. 11' apart and I sit 11' from each speaker. The inside corner of each speaker is only 2" from the back wall. The outside corner is 17.5" from the back wall. So, a fairly aggressive toe-in.
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I'm going to be getting a pair of REL T9/x subs this summer to pair with Cornwall IVs. I just recently started using my home theater Klispch (R-12SW) subs in my 2-channel system. They're crossed over at 40hz, so they just pick up where the Cornwalls fall off. Just adding a little extra grunt down low, so it still maintains the speedy textured bass of the Cornwalls. Took me a few days to dial them in perfect but even these cheap Best Buy Klipsch subs have added something to my 2-channel listening experience. Makes me excited for a pair of RELs.
I think most people suck at integrating subs into their system...Their first mistake is high passing their mains at 80-120hz...Sorry but I'm not about to neuter my $6500 full range speakers below 80hz. And you shouldn't either! The Cornwall IVs have fantastic, fast and textured bass, they just don't dig very deep. So run them full range and cross the subs over where the speakers start lacking.
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2 hours ago, captainbeefheart said:
Pick a video on power conditioning and I will pick it apart if you like, much of what is said is maybe more 'misleading' at best.
If the 'power conditioner' gives any advantage to whatever it's powering then all he would need to do is show difference in data between before and after at the output of the device. Say a preamp is plugged into the power conditioner, show a before and after noise floor measurement at the output of the preamp. Paul does a lot of talking but he never will quantify any objective data to prove without a doubt his devices improves anything, it's all subjective hoopla with tidbits of technical lingo to confuse a non engineer into making the wrong conclusion that they somehow need these 'conditioners' for their equipment.
If you told the engineer that designed your top of the line high fidelity amplifier that you plug their gear into a power conditioner they will most likely be offended. They understand that your precious signal is nothing more than a modulated DC supply, and they go to great lengths to make sure that this DC supply is as perfect as can be no matter what is happening on the AC power input. Even if you had an absolutely perfect 120v 60Hz power signal what do you think happens when it passes through a rectifier? Your perfect sine wave turns into a nasty saw tooth wave full of odd harmonics because a rectifier is a grossly non-linear load. That's why all the important stuff happens AFTER the rectifier.
I get it, the laymen isn't going to understand any of it, the people selling this stuff are really good at making you worry about things that are not there or do not matter. They are great at telling you very eloquently about the virtues but slow to show any actual relevant data of proof.
Yeah I don't really go in for power conditioners and all that. One thing Paul says that I do agree with is how he integrates a sub into his system. He runs his mains as full range and crosses the sub over at the point where the mains naturally fall off. Many people don't do this. Like why even buy the big expensive tower version of a speaker if you're basically going to neuter it below 120hz and pass everything to a separate box. Should've just got bookshelf speakers if you were gonna do that.
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I can't see how anyone could just flat out say Pauls videos are wrong. 99% of this hobby is subjective and Paul is sharing his opinion. I agree with most of what he says, personally.
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I'd buy the 8000f and 600c and move your current towers to rear surround duty.
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5 minutes ago, Tony Whitlow said:
You are listening to Q sound. Pink Floyd used it on “The Final Cut.” Waters used it on “Amused..” , “The Pros and Cons Of Hitchhiking” and
“Radio KAOS.” You can place the speakers 2’ to 4’ apart and your head equi distance from them and hear an actual sonic hologram. But moving your head as much as 1/8” it dissolves into stereo. BTW I think “Amused..” is a brilliant album.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYep Qsound! Which is apparently a plugin they use in the studio? I literally just learned about this in the last 24 hours haha. I was freaking the hell out at some of these sounds and how they seemingly emanate out of thin air.
Apparently, it works best on a properly setup system? If that's the case then my system is setup VERY well haha, which I've always thought it was anyway, I've always been impressed with my stereos ability to place instruments in space. My CWIVs are 11 feet apart center to center and I sit exactly 11 feet away from each speaker. Speakers are toed in basically facing my opposite ear.
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3 minutes ago, gsgleason said:
Rear corners are dented, not too bad. The worst one is one of the towers:
I mean yeah that kinda sucks, but if that's the worst of it, I say go for it. Won't affect the sound and it's a good deal even still.
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Someone just turned me on to this Roger Waters album "Amused To Death".
The music is trash but he did some really cool tricks with sounds being out of phase in order to place sounds from this record all around you.
It's the perfect record to test your speaker placement, as a lot of these tricks won't work on poorly setup speakers.
Even on the first track, there's a dog barking and it sounds like it comes from behind me and it sounds like it's coming from outside my house! Really freaky stuff as even when you turn your head to face the direction of the sound the illusion is upheld.
This is a really cool record for sounds coming from places they seemingly shouldn't be coming from in a 2-channel system.
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I don't know how they compare to your current setup, but I do know a pair of 8000F and a 600C for $500 is a steal.
Just how damaged are they?
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On 4/8/2018 at 5:37 AM, Shakeydeal said:
When I see pics like this I just have to shake my head at what the sound must be. So many things wrong, hard to know where to start.
Shakey
THANK YOU! I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets annoyed at some of the f*ckery I see on these forums and ESPECIALLY the Klipsch Facebook groups. There are some weird people in this world who buy Klipsch speakers. More so than any other community in hifi. Sorry not sorry. Go to any Klipsch Facebook group and have a look around. You'll see what I mean.
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4 minutes ago, Westcoastdrums said:
@wetowne as stated prior, I'm a fan of topping gear. I bought one of these last night out of curiosity straight from China. Ordered custom mogami W2549 XLR to TRS cable to go with. I'll be powering my JBL 4722N speakers and give it an honest opinion. I really love the hypex, but I'm aware I don't use hardly any power at 104 dB sensitivity. If I like it, maybe I'll be shocked and it will stay as my main Amplifier. Otherwise, I'll keep it as a backup /portable amp.
Awesome brother, looking forward to hearing your impressions!
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15 hours ago, wetowne said:
Compared to the six watt tube amp I was using it is a major improvement. I think my love affair with tubes is over
Oh lawd you're trying to start a fight up in here in the New Year haha.
Joking aside, thanks for the impressions! Makes me want to run out and buy a stack! I'm sure it would be a fantastic pair with my CWIVs.
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On 12/15/2021 at 5:47 PM, wetowne said:
The slow boat from China should be docking at my house on Monday the 20th.
Alright what's the verdict!
I added subs to my Cornwall IVs and fell in love all over again
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I gotcha. A 15" woofer. Is it the exact same driver the CW uses? From what I hear from other people, it doesn't reach as low or have the impact of a Cornwall. While being much more massive than a Cornwall. It just seems like a flawed design, in the case of the La Scala specifically.