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Just now, Chris A said:
Thanks Chris ! I am reading the discussion by Roy Delgado, and it is quite interesting.
I moved my LaScala's into the corners a few hours ago, basically firing in front of me, and they sound pretty good.
Bass is greatly increased, and imaging is pretty good too.
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1 hour ago, vondy said:
I believe this is it. It talks about toeing in at 45 which depending on the room may or may not be in front of you. I seem to remember seeing something more about toeing in front of you. Basic idea is "Fig. 3".
OK, how do you download this ?
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1 minute ago, Youthman said:
Yeah, I could easily see how the Academy would struggle between a pair of LaScalas.
LOL, you set the levels all even, but as soon as something get's loud in the left and right LaScala's, look out! It drowns the little Academy right out.
Finally, I just gave up, and use a Phantom Center
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1 minute ago, vondy said:
There is an article somewhere around here that PWK wrote on this subject. You cross the speakers a few feet in front of you and it equals out the off axis listening position.
Basically if you are off to the left, the left speaker is closer but pointing away from you while the right speaker is further but pointing towards you. This does work. I did find that it cut down on the soundstage in my case though.
If you or anyone else could point me toward that crossed horns article by PWK, I would greatly appreciate it
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On 12/10/2017 at 8:27 AM, Marvel said:
You should show her pics of DTEL's MWM setup... then she will thinks the Jubilees are small...
I noticed that after you have LaScalas for awhile that they start looking... not so big.
Bruce
Coming from Dunlavy SC IV's that are 6 feet tall, my LaScala's seem normal to me. All I currently have on them is an Academy Center, and it just can't keep up with the LaScala right and left.
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1 hour ago, pzannucci said:
If you are in the proximity of the corners (1 or 2 foot), you will still receive some bass reinforcement. If you don't aim them directly at you, that bass reinforcement will seem to be greater as the highs won't be beaming at your ears and likely a touch smoother. Play with the toe in and toe out. It will affect the balance and the imaging.
If I had Klipschorns instead of LaScala's, the speakers would be firing in front of me, if they were flush in the corners.
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12 minutes ago, ACV92 said:
Ultimately, it boils down to what sounds best to you. I've been experimenting a lot lately with toe-in, distance from side walls, back walls, etc. I've read, noticed, that a speaker aimed directly at you will yield a bump in the high frequencies enough to make the sound too bright. Pushing the mains back towards the wall behind them may yield more bass, but can sound punchy. I've also set the toe-in to just in front of my listening position and felt like I lost some staging and perceived SPL.
But this is in my room and with my mains. I keep gravitating back towards my mains aimed just slightly to the sides of my listening position, head. So, the direct axis line from the speakers is just to the left, and right, of my head. As far as being more towards left or right, I might play with the balance a bit to drop the left side a hair, and boost the right side slightly, to see if there's any improvement in imaging.
So, my suggestion is to try multiple placements, adjustments, until it sounds just right to you. Sometimes, a movement of half-an-inch can yield significant improvement. I used, am using, a tape measure to ensure equality with my main placement, and write down the measurements and perceived results. Experiment and have fun doing so. Just don't have too many adult beverages while experimenting, it can skew the results.
This is what has sounded best to me too, but I want to give the corners one more try, because I am trying not to use my Subwoofer
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I have a pair of LaScala's
My listening position places me closer to the left corner speaker then the right corner speaker.
Is it best to fire the horns right at me, or is it better to fire the horns down the longest dimensions of the room, like at an imaginary spot in front of me ?
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On 7/28/2006 at 4:10 PM, BEC said:
Here is a confusing but informative thread on the AL crossovers. I have actually seen three different designs by now all labeled just as AL. The AL is a tweeter blowing wonder of science. Many thanks to djk for telling us how to fix it. I have passed that on to many people having repeated tweeter failures in the time since djk told us this.
http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/433040.aspx
Bob Crites
Indeed, it is quite confusing!
On 7/29/2006 at 7:48 AM, Al Klappenberger said:If you have an AL like the schematic above, remove the two R-L-C "things" in the woofer and squawker section. Do NOT remove the one in the tweeter filter though. That one actually does something usefull!
Al k.
There are 2 AL crossover schematics posted above, what one do you mean ?
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My Son just gave me his old Pioneer Elite SC 87
We both had one, I sold mine because on my Old Dunlavy SC IV speakers, my Onkyo TX NR 809 beat it in sound quality.
I have 3 receivers here, besides the Pioneer Elite VSX 94 I currently have hooked up to the La Scala's. I am using it as a pre amp to drive my Apogee SA 800 B amp.
I have the ONKYO back from being repaired at ONKYO
I am a Harman Kardon AVR 247
And, the Pioneer SC 87, with the D3 digital amp.
LOL, decisions decisions decisions ......
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5 hours ago, Quiet_Hollow said:
I own and have significant experience with an AS-EQ1, a stand alone XT32 unit purposed strictly for subwoofer duty. Although I respect the approach of all the consumer available DSP, Pioneer was the first to put everything I wanted all under one roof and price it for mortals....cough, TacT, cough.
I used to own a Sherwood receiver, with the Trinnov Processor. I sold it because it had severe HDMI Handshake problems, and never even tried it's processor.
I was unaware that Pioneer was the first. IMHO, it would be nice to have a built in room correction, that would only do subwoofers. My Son just had an Anthem Receiver that did just that, and left the speakers above 4 or 500 hz alone. According to Floyd Toole, he says that is the best way to do it.
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23 minutes ago, derrickdj1 said:
1. Run Full MCACC
2. Set all speakers to small, XO between 50- 80 Hz and then run Auto MCACC(I usually leave the XO were MCACC sets it)
3. In preset 4, copy 1,2 or 3 depending on which you like
4. Under preset 4, do Manual MCACC, eq adv. then professional EQ
5. Set time window to 30-50 ms and run.
6. Report back your findings
I am assuming you are using a sub. This will not interfere with hearing your speaker since the XO means you will only miss one or 2 octaves out of the 10 going from 20 Hz to 20 kHz.
I have a Sub I need to hook up. I have been deliberately listening to the La Scala's by themselves, since they are new to me.
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I have a Pioneer VSX 94 THX that has MCACC
And the Pioneer I am getting back soon from my Son has the D3 amps
I am more used to Audyssey, and initially did not like MCACC as much as Audyssey, until I played with it. Now, I like it MORE
I am still playing, and for the sake of this thread, more reading, though those people don't :count: as much to me, because most are not Klipsch Owners http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1112470-official-pioneer-mcacc-thread.html
BUMP
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1 hour ago, dtr20 said:
I had that AVR for years, it worked great for my home theater setup.
I drove clear across Tampa Bay to get it, but it is in the car, in the front seat of my little Miata Convertible.
I literally just walked in the door, feeding my face right now.
I will hook it up, as soon a the spirit moves me
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2 hours ago, billybob said:
Picked up a HK(model?) avr for a friend awhile back used and checked it here first. It was sweet and easy to use so yes. Soon you will have 3 to run through the gauntlet. Thinking that Onkyo will rate well with system. Interested also in hearing @derrickdj1 take on the Niles...
I have to drive clear across Tampa Bay to pick up the HK AVR 247 this morning.
I am also very interested in the Niles
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2 minutes ago, derrickdj1 said:
The Elites give a very pure sound and black floor. It takes a while to get use to. The Academy should keep up with thehLaScala except at extreme volumes. Let MCACC set the levels since the LaScala have a high sensitivity. Cross things over at 50 or 80 Hz if you have a sub and run the speakers set to small. This will keep cancellation and reinforcement low.
MCACC does have a learning curve and give it a couple of weeks for tweaking to really get things to your liking. It is nice to have a sophisticated avr but, it will not be plug N play.
When my Son's new Marantz comes, he is giving me his Pioneer, but the one he has has the Digital D3 amp.
It will be interesting to compare the 2 Pioneer's
I did let the MCACC set all levels, and I do have a monster sub, it is called a Legacy Dual Impact. I am deliberately not using it right now, because I want to hear the La Scala's w/o any subwoofer.
The ONKYO 809 should be getting fixed by ONKYO very soon, and I am picking up the Harman Kardon AVR 247 tomorrow . It is said that PWK had a high regard for the work of Dr Matti Otala of Finland in the identification and reduction of T.I.M. and HK amps are said to have un measurable TIM.
They have their own style of auto set up and room eq called EZ Set
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3 minutes ago, derrickdj1 said:
Actually, MCACC will do Front align, symmetry and all speakers adj. under the auto MCACC in the menu. I also change the timing of the calibration from 50-70 ms to 30-50 ms for my room. This is under manual MCACC, EQ pro, then Adv. EQ.
My last major pair of Speakers were the 6 ft tall Dunlavy SC IV's
I had a Pioneer Elite with digital D3 amp, the same kind my Son is giving back to me.
LOL, because the Dunlavy SC IV's are "perfect", and are known to pass a square wave, I never ran the MCACC
I came across an ONKYO TX NR 809 that sounded better on the Dunlavy's, so I dumped the Pioneer.
Then, my Onkyo crapped out, and in desperation, I bought this Pioneer Elite VSX 94 locally.
I am much more familiar with Audyssey than the MCACC
I was out there listening the past hour, I like it, especially the imaging! I thought that Full Band Phase Control was a bunch of BS, but it is not. I still aint crazy about the sound of the Pioneer AMP. Just for kicks, I unhooked the Apogee SA 800 B amp, ran the La Scala's receiver direct. The Apogee amp sounded better.
I watched a little bit of Monday Night Football, and MCACC did a good job. I am only running a Klipsch Academy Center, and it is having a hard time keeping up with my La Scala's, LOL
The levels are all the same for the 3 front channels. However, when the right and left La Scala's start to get loud, it nearly drowns out the Academy Center
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51 minutes ago, derrickdj1 said:
The Pioneer may just need some tweaking. I personal think using some of the DSP, room correction and other things will take it to a new level. If you need some help with the avr, there are enough guys on the forum to help.
Well, I went and ran the MCACC again, placing the tri pod on my couch at the exact height of my ears, and this time, I think it worked!
It has changed the sound of the La Scala's, and I must listen for awhile to compare, see how I like it.
But, one thing is FOR SURE - That full band phase control is no joke!
It makes the speakers image like crazy.
Impressive !
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4 minutes ago, derrickdj1 said:
The Pioneer may just need some tweaking. I personal think using some of the DSP, room correction and other things will take it to a new level. If you need some help with the avr, there are enough guys on the forum to help.
TYVM !
I have run the MCACC, but only once, maybe I need to run it again ?
My beloved ONKYO TX NR 809 took a crap, it has Audyssey.
So far, I think Audyssey sounds a little better than Pioneer's MCACC, mainly because it gives you 2 curves, vs MCACC's one.
I am very very interested in HOW that Niles switcher works
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2 minutes ago, derrickdj1 said:
I use my speakers with a Pioneer Elite avr and also run them off a tube amp for music. The best of both worlds. Just get a Niles DSP switcher.
Cool !
I am less then impressed with the Pioneer Elite amp in my VSX 94 THX. It is called their "Direct Energy" amp. It is NOT their digital amp. The had an ICE digital Amp, then went to the direct energy series, and then finally to their Own Digital amp, called the D3 amp. Tell me more about this Niles DSP switcher
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On 12/2/2017 at 8:29 PM, ka7niq said:
Well, I have my ONKYO TX NR 809 coming back from ONKYO, and then my Son is giving me his Pioneer Elite receiver, with the D3 Digital amp, and of course, the Harman Kardon AVR , so I will have plenty of Toys to throw at the La Scala's.
Finally, the guy selling the Harman Kardon AVR 247 will allow me to pick it up tomorrow.
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1 hour ago, billybob said:
Lol, Hope you get it nevertheless.. Adcom equp. if right, would be fun to have for purposes, like control. Remotes a must.
Seating position sounds a challenge. Nothing like the sweet spot. If just casually music or cinema, can always create a sweet spot., when needed.
Sounds like potentially convenient.
Well, I have my ONKYO TX NR 809 coming back from ONKYO, and then my Son is giving me his Pioneer Elite receiver, with the D3 Digital amp, and of course, the Harman Kardon AVR , so I will have plenty of Toys to throw at the La Scala's.
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1 minute ago, billybob said:
Lol, No I like idea of not culling an amp before it is run through. If not hurting anything, well why not.
The Hafler have heard of. Had a Carver 500 amp that was a nice quiet delivery of Omph when I needed it.
Or thought I did. Fans can be a distraction. Got a Nak500 avr, from forum. Decent. Going to check them all out.
Enjoying the ideas. Thanks
There seem to be quite a few of those Adcom surround processors and 3 ch amps to be had, cheap!
I just found one local here. It is only Dolby Pro Logic, but who really gives a dam. ?
If I got one of these, then I need a remote controlled Tube Integrated, with a subwoofer output, but since my Sub has an amp and crossover, I may be able to figure something out ?
I really sort of need some way to alter channel balance, since I am not exactly centered between my La Scala's
I called the dude who has the Harman Kardon for sale, he was busy today, and I am busy tomorrow
- Adcom GSP 560 Surround Sound 3 Channel Amplifier with Remote Control - $90
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Just now, billybob said:
Worth the looking at again. Have read the name but, must be a keeper. Looks quality gear. Now I am going to have to find another amp. Can only guess what may do to woofer. Cool and even larger. Alright
These older Apogee amplifiers are not at all expensive, not are the QSC PLX series.
The Apogee SA 800 B weighs 60 lbs, and because it is fan cooled, the money was spent on circuit boards with huge copper traces, and a monster transformer, vs heat sinks.
I really did not want to go in this direction (monster amps) with my new to me La Scala's, but they are all that I have at the moment.
I do have a small Hafler Trans Nova amp, and also a Big Hafler Pro amp that is all Mos Fet, but one amp hums, and one has a scratchy noise in 1 channel.
All I have proved so far is, the Apogee SA 800 B amp sounds the best, using the Pioneer VSX 94 THX as a pre amp. With a different pre amp, the QSC PLX 1602 may very well beat the big Apogee ?
I noticed that after you have LaScalas for awhile that they start looking... not so big.
Corner-Horn Imaging FAQ
in 2-Channel Home Audio
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I have low 6.5 inch ceilings, and a Tile Floor, so what do I do to the Midrange Horn in my La Scala's, and what material shall I use ? How far back into the horn shall the sound material go ?