kippyieh

The RF-5s are black. My bad, the center is the RC-3. The sub is not Reference. I am not sure that I would like to sell them seperately, but I may. Are you pretty interested?

lol... if my wife knew that I subscribed to such violent forums, there would probably be even more retribution... :-)

Phoenix, AZ 85021

Hello all: Well, I hate to do this, but my wife has won this round. Our new house is too small to accomodate my Klipsch speakers. We have been wrestling with this for about 4 months: long story, but the final verdict is get rid of the Klipsch (rather than stick in storage for 3 yrs). I have a 12-inch sub, rf-5 center and rf-5 towers. Email me at kippyieh@hotmail.com with questions or offers (~$1100 takes it all, but I am negotiable, I have been out of the market for awhile). The speakers are all approximately 2 yrs old and in good shape. Grill covers all good except for center (w/ 2 broken posts) and I have the original boxes for shipping (from Phoenix). Thanks.

The serial numbers have not been altered in any way and I recieved the original warranty cards.

Which stores did everyone check? If we can make a list, I will try and call all the others this week.

Got my RF-3 IIs and RC-3 from Brandnamez.com also. Not sure if I would reccomend them again. They came in one peice, good serial numbers, but after I purchased them and began the waiting game, I started reading all the bad reviews (about the store that is)... I tried to cancel the order, but it was too late, so I kept my fingers crossed - and everything worked out fine! If you like, I can give you a direct CS number to make sure they are in stock before you order, that seemed to be the worst complaint. Personally, I will probably buy my next set from a B&M, 1) because they will be a lot easier to take back and 2) I am planning on doing a lot of listening this time.

I am kind of hard pressed for time tommorow, but I will try and get a chance to call around the valley. Maybe with a little bit of luck... Peace

Sorry, couldn't find any. I checked the Costco on 15th Ave. and Bethany Home and the one on 44th St. and Thomas. I know there are at least two more in the valley, but I can't think of them right now. How about buying them online?

Sure, I can check it out for you. Just heading out the door right now as a matter of fact.

Sorry to Doug, I had no intention of sounding like I was jumping on him, it is the sound of desperation you hear So the specs do matter; but receivers with the same specs may sound differently, correct? What is not listed in the specs that makes them sound differently? It seems like THX does matter then to a degree, but I am unfamiliar with how they obtain the measurements; is it a measurement or x-number of dollars that does the deal? Sorry to beg back to the perfect amplification model, but does it exist? Thanks for the patience.

I meant to imply that the hum was coming from the set of speakers I had chosen, which happened to be the RF-3's. There was an input selected, the one generally used for demos (it had all the cds in it), but it was not playing. Without the salesman around, I was actually trying to figure out if I had punched the right buttons into the little demo board to try out the RF-3's vs. the RF-5's. I was slowly turning the Denon up - thinking that I did not have it turned up enough to hear, and maxed it out, somewhere before max I heard the hum. On the way home I began wondering if the hum was indicative of the quality of the amp. What is actual performance? How do you measure it? If you have an accurate comprenhension of the input signal, can you measure the signal coming out of the amp and compare it to what you know you sent in? Can the perfect amplification of a signal be modeled? Or is it all in the ear?

I have the Onk sr800 and like it so far. Check this posting out for the stated wattage for a rebuttal to the stated wattage issues. http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB71&Number=338154&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1 I am not sure if the numbers are valid; I have not checked them out myself, but I found it of interest. Anyways, Good Luck!

I am getting a little confused, is there really such a thing as an objective criteria with which to judge a HT system? Are there no measurable quantities? Is it really nothing more than brand preference? What is the objective good when it comes to a sound system? Let me relate my recent endeavors. I was all set to buy a HtiB from Sony, Sony being the brand I was the most familiar with in personal electronics. Found several on eBay for under a thousand dollars, some looked nicer than others, so I decided to head to the nearest electronics store and attempt to listen to them. Best Buy had several of the ones I was interested in, but none of them were set up correctly, all the speakers were hunched up on top of their respective consoles. The smaller units had more visual appeal, but I really had a hard time judging sound differences. I proceeded to ask the nearest salesman which systems were supposed to sound better. He said that bigger speakers move more air thus more potential for good sound. It didnt get much more complicated then that, but it made sense. I went home and started doing some research on the net and ran across cnet.com, ecoustics.com and audioreview.com. I promptly looked in the forum where I found the Onk HTS 600 (or something like that) to be all the rage. Nothing better for the buck. I was convinced that Onk made a good product and that separate components were the way to go. I headed to the nearest Ultimate Electronics to give it a look see. They did not carry Onk, but had this great Denon/Klipsch (I think it was the Synergy setup) for under $1500.00. Well I was still partial to the Onk components (dont ask me why) but I was sold on the Klipsch speakers. Went back and did some more research and found out about the Reference series. After much straining of the head muscle, I purchased an Onk DVD and receiver and the Klipsch R-3s. Now I run into this great forum, and I ponder upgrading the entire system and it is not even 2 weeks old. It seems like I have had no guiding principals except the general consensus of the time, and I wonder what I have ended up with; sure it sounds great; much, MUCH better then my old system, but could it sound better? What is better? Do I upgrade the amp? Upgrade the speakers? I mean which do I work with? Stick with Klipsch? Why? Because I like the way they bronze the logo? Stick with Onk? Why? Because their $500 system was a good bang for the buck? Sure, we have various options on different brands of receivers, which may make things a little easier in this area, but all the receivers sound different on different speakers? So which comes first, the nice-looking-option-packed receiver and then speakers to match (whatever that means sounds the best) or should I remain loyal to the bronze logo and pick a receiver to match? I mean, what does it mean to sound good? Cannot ears (like the sense of smell), be conditioned to think that a whole host of things sound good? Am I striving to re-capture the intention of the original artist? Is this even possible without having the same amp and speakers he/she used when producing the original mix? (Isnt that the whole purpose of THX?) Should I be looking for un-adulterated signal processing in an amp? (Is this measurable? In amps or speakers?) Or should I be looking for the amp that conditions the signal and then find speakers that compensate? Where do you guys start anyways? Peace

Arc: For whatever it is worth I have had the sr800 for about a week now and have absolutely no complaints. I did quite a bit of research before I purchased (though I failed to find this great forum); Consumer Reports consistently gave very good ratings to the Onkyo recievers for performance and reliability - though I am sure independent experiences will vary. I am using the Onk with RF-3's, RC-3 and AM5 (ugh) in the rear. This was my first digital receiver and it beat my 9+ yr old Sony all to pieces. Performance wise I couldn't ask for anything better; but since participating in this forum I think I should have considered the Denon models. I am currently thinking about upgrading to RF-7's all around, but I am somewhat hesistant with the Onks purported brightness. What to do if you cannot hear? I guess buy locally and take them back if you don't want em. I may just go with the 5's. BTW - I picked mine up for $779 NIB. Peace