ledzeprep Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 Well here it is,system as it stands is Onkyo TX-840 (Anyone know what the power rating for this is?) Onkyo TA 2200 tape Onkyo DX-C320 cd KLF 10 Mains Older system, dont even have surround. Will be getting Onkyo TXDS989 or TXDS 787 (Need to rationalize 1200.00 diff) KLF 30 for the mains KLF 10 for rears (existing) KSW 15 sub (will I need ?) any suggestions on a center? I will use system 65% audio 35% HT Is there a better sub for the same $ that will do better? And finally, should I ad anything else? (speakers, wires,etc) This will be in a 19x 22ft room. \Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 I will recommend a pair of KLF-20s and a KLF-C7 you will notice the improvement ------------------ Cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 cruzer, are u saying the klf-20 taste better than the 30s? just joshin anyway. w/ the 30s or 20s I think u need a big bad a** sub klipsch has some new ones coming like late may that look like killers. more high end price-wise too though. haven't tried a ksw, but wonder how much they can really add to klf, especially for music... there are those other brands too ... ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster Z-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMIN Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 The 20's or 30 are both very good choices. The center can only be a C7 with those mains and of course a killer sub is a MUST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillips Posted April 1, 2001 Share Posted April 1, 2001 From what I've found out,the 20's tend to be a bit more musical than the 30's.Something to do with the smaller woofers in the 20's.Just my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMIN Posted April 1, 2001 Share Posted April 1, 2001 I have been told by Klipsch that the KLF 30's "have a more bass inclined tonal balance" then the other Legends. It was also mentioned that if you are the type of guy that finds his smile growing when the slam bam boom is at it's loudest and best that you are a 30's kind of guy. With this said I think the 20's and 30's both offer individual bests. Which one is better? That depends entirely apon the individual and his or her individual liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 1, 2001 Share Posted April 1, 2001 i didn't mean to start a 30 vs. 20 debate; looks like ledzep is going for the 30s anyway rw makes a good point - i am that slam bam boom kinda guy - but listen & get what u like best. ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster Z-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer Posted April 2, 2001 Share Posted April 2, 2001 I listened to both 30s and 20s, I could have the 30s for $200.00 more, but the 20s sounded better to my ears and my pocket. ------------------ Cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian Posted April 2, 2001 Share Posted April 2, 2001 Id like to preface my comments with a disclaimer that speakers sound different to different people. With that out of the way Two weeks ago I just upgraded my speaker system. I had two Klipsch KLF-20s for mains and some really crappy speakers (I wont even mention the brands they were that bad) for the center channel and the surrounds. When I purchased the KLF-20s five years ago I thought they sounded better than the KLF-30s. To me the sound was tighter and less bass-laden in the 20s and they were considerably cheaper at that particular time, so I went with the smaller KLF-20s. I also made this choice because I already owed an M&K MX-200 (www.mksound.com) subwoofer. I knew that Id easily make up for any booming bass hits with the subwoofer. I just recently got the KLF-C7 to finally match up my center with the mains and the improvement from that one speaker alone made a phenomenal difference in my DVD movies. I no longer needed to boost the center channel in order to get the same sound output, and everything was at the factory default flat setting, no equalizer needed. It sounds crisp and clean. I finally dont have to turn up the volume to hear whispering on the screen and then turn it down again before any action scenes. I also replaced the rear speakers I had with RS-3s. This made a minimal difference but at least I can now hear the subtleties again without having the rear channel adjusted at +10. You may get different mileage in a different room but in my living room the sound is great at low listening levels and a tad overwhelming when turned up. Id recommend (as does Klipsch) going with the KLF-C7 for the center channel. The front channels are really up to personal preference. As for a subwoofer, I wouldnt recommend getting one at first. Try out the speakers. If you think they lack some bass get a sub. Unfortunately I cant recommend going with a Klipsch sub. I think its the ONLY thing they havent gotten quite right yet. Go to a place where you can compare subs if you can. There are several others available at the same price that I feel are better sounding. Check out the Sunfire True Sub Junior - it goes for $800 retail and takes up a fraction of the space. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMIN Posted April 2, 2001 Share Posted April 2, 2001 I am also a 30's kind of guy Boa. I just can't say enough for my current set up. Denon 3300 KLF 30's KLF C7 KLF 10's KSF S5's Velodyne HGS 12 5 ch stereo is the only way to go for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 2, 2001 Share Posted April 2, 2001 thump on brother! ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster Z-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box 2nd room: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage '75) Technics 5-disk cd player Sega Genesis game player Sub: None rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzeprep Posted April 3, 2001 Author Share Posted April 3, 2001 Well thanks for all the imput Im getting alot closer to "pulling the trigger" on the new system. I'm probaly gonna go with the 20s,and let the sub pick up the balance at the lower end. the Onkyo 787 is a much better buy than the 989.I will definitly be getting a C-7 center, and thinking hard about the SVS 20-39cs. Im still curous about wattage output of old reciever to use on the sub. might just get the s-700 for it. Any thoughts or opinions on raising the klf10s 24" or so to get a better rear sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian Posted April 3, 2001 Share Posted April 3, 2001 I could only find the stats for the Onkyo TX-830 and those were as follows: "58 watts per channel into 8 ohms, 20Hz to 20kHz with no more than 0.08% total harmonic distortion" I assume the TX-840 isn't far off of those specs. Receivers are a really big personal preference due to familiarity and design as well as connectivity and features. I'm a Sony lover myself and I'd look into the STR-V444ES or the like if you're going to get a new receiver. I know the Onkyo 787 has six powered channels but if you're not going to use all of those channels then you might be able to find a nice looking functional receiver of a different brand. Of course if you are trying to keep all the components the same brand then you should stick with what you've got Either way you look at it I don't think the $1200 is worth the difference in the Onkyo systems you listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 3, 2001 Share Posted April 3, 2001 hey zep, how'd the change from 30s to 20s happen? was it something we said? maybe I shoulda listened more to the 20s. the 30s seemed to pull me right in to them. maybe it was the bigger magnets ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster Z-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box 2nd room: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage '75) Technics 5-disk cd changer Sega Genesis game player Sub: None rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzeprep Posted April 3, 2001 Author Share Posted April 3, 2001 No,nthin you guys said,to be honest Im srill kinda on the fence between the 20s & 30s. maybe this question will help me. Are just the 30s video shielded? I know my 10s are not, have to keeep the 2ft. away from the tv.And in the upgrade I will also be getting a 51" sony rear projection hi def digital BOOB tube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian Posted April 3, 2001 Share Posted April 3, 2001 The 30's aren't video shielded nor are the 20's. Only the KLF-C7 is shielded in the Legend Series. You'll still have to keep them away from the television. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 3, 2001 Share Posted April 3, 2001 actually none of the 3 klf towers have mag. shielded woofers. don't know why they don't but the ref line do (???) timing maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Jett Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 Go for that 20-39cs also. You will love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale A B Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 see below for correct message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale A B Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 If you're still interested, I found the Onkyo TX-840 listed in the Oct. 89 issue of AUDIO. 70 watts/channel into 8 ohms, 90 into 4, listed for $380.00. I still have a 1988 Onkyo bottom-feeder cd player that works ok, but does require a slap once in awhile to keep from stuttering! On a slightly off-topic note, here are the '89 list prices for the Heritage speaker line (per pair): K-Horn - $3488 Belle - $2858 La Scala - $1876 Cornwall II - $1628 Chorus - $1630 Forte II - $1298 Heresy II - $928 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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