Parrot Posted July 5, 2003 Share Posted July 5, 2003 http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/wired-4-sound/rwf-lampen-July18.shtml Well worth skimming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 Ouch! Could it be that the emperor has no clothes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 Ouch! Could it be that the emperor has no clothes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 Ouch! Could it be that the emperor has no clothes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 Sorry for the multiple posts. Thought the server or my pc was locked up. Only press the submit button once, no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrop Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 That just proves subjectivity, what you need is a double blind test where the guy administering the test and registering responses has no clue as to what wire is used neither do the listeners. Speaker cable "A", "B", "C", etc. Then you have to do a statistical analysis to see how the responses deviate from just guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted July 6, 2003 Author Share Posted July 6, 2003 bkrop, What advantage would it be in this case if the demonstrator didn't know what wire he was using? Since he was actually using the same wire every time, I don't see why the test would be any better. Isn't the idea of double blind so that the demonstrator doesn't unconsciously influence the listenerers, maybe by making a slight change in his expression? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrop Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 Exactly, no knowledge of what speaker wire "A" is etc. through all, then you have a 1:3,5,7, chance of picking right. You then compare the results with random selection and try to find the degree of confidence that you interpert the conclusions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 The only thing I can really say is that there are quite a few "red herrings" in audio accessory sales - words that are really just hyperbole, nothing substantive. I try to avoid using these types of words both when describing differences I hear and when selling these accessories to customers... Words like Soundstage - someone please define this one - it's absolutely meaningless as far as I can see. Warmth - again - a useless term to anything but a tube-driven mechanism. Depth - c'mon, the third dimension of any audio reproduction doesn't exist until after the speakers! Clarity - again, this describes nothing. Wire can affect the frequency response, but clarity of the sound? That starts in the recording studio and ends at the mastering engineer's desk. There's more, but I can't think of any right now. Regardless, we as audio lovers need to start removing these words from our vocabularies, because they don't describe anything tangible and really have no basis in truth. They just sound good to our ears, so we use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 I notice that in the entire series of articles, he never once mentioned EMI and RFI rejection characteristics - a very, very important component not only of speaker wire, but other audio and video cables as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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