dougdrake Posted May 20, 2001 Share Posted May 20, 2001 Fellow Denon 3300 Owners - Anyone find a way to automatically defeat the sub when you change to a different source device? As you know, the 3300 will retain certain settings (like treble/bass, channel level, etc.) for each source and will return to those settings when you select that source again (DVD, CD, tuner, etc.). Anyone find a way to NOT use the sub in CD mode but to have it for DVD mode? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted May 22, 2001 Author Share Posted May 22, 2001 Should I take the roaring silence as confirmation of my suspicion that it can't be done, or is everyone avoiding me in case I am a target of fireballs from other posts? I'm fine with either answer This message has been edited by dougdrake on 05-22-2001 at 11:00 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacevedo Posted May 22, 2001 Share Posted May 22, 2001 Doug, Hello fellow Arizonan - I think most people in Arizona aren't replying because it is too hot to do anything. Everyone is just laying around by the pool. And everyone in California doesn't have electricity! I don't have the 3300, I have the 3801. And I don't think there is an exact way to do what you want. But I remember reading that my 3801 could disable the sub in direct mode. You lower the volume on the sub out, and it gets to -10. If you go down lower it says off. I don't know if your 3300 does the same thing, but it might be worth a shot. Also, my 3801 only remembers sound mode settings for each input. It only remembers channel levels for each sound field. So if I switch to DVD, it remembers that I was in DD, but it doesn't change the levels of the speakers. It changes the level of the speakers when I switch from DD to stereo, etc, across all inputs. ------------------ Thanks, Bryan "... But Honey - I promise this is the last thing I will have to buy for the Home Theater" Mistubishi 60" RPTV (VS60603) Denon AVR 3801 RCVR Denon DVM 1800 DVD JVC 3600U SVHS VCR RCA DirecTV Klipsch RB5 - L&R Klipsch RC3 - Center Klipsch RCW3 - In-wall surrounds Klipsch KSW12 - Sub Monster Power Conditioner Radio Shack Gold Series Interconnects Radio Shack 12 AWG Mega Cable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted May 22, 2001 Share Posted May 22, 2001 Probably just like me Doug,I don't know.BTW Doug,I remember you are looking for the single center speaker, but were you looking for surrounds too? Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted May 22, 2001 Share Posted May 22, 2001 doug, i didn't want to answer because i betrayed & joined the marantz family but i was going to mention that direct mode. have u tried that? i thought that it was pretty universal for that mode to cut out the sub on 2 channel sources. but maybe not(?) ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics direct drive turntable Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartW Posted May 23, 2001 Share Posted May 23, 2001 Keith, I have the Denon 5800. I know you can turn the sub off in direct mode.....which effects pure direct too. This can be done through the remote or by the knobs/dials on the unit itself....Surround parameters screen on the remote. I feel your pain, the Denon manuals are really pathetic. Hope this helps and you get your problem solved Bart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossVTaylor Posted May 23, 2001 Share Posted May 23, 2001 Hey DD, I don't mean to sound like "ditto", but I was also going to suggest trying the direct mode, if the 3300 has it. If your 3300 acts like the 5800, then the sub and speaker settings are stored by input mode (like you said), but there are also separate settings for the direct mode (or whatever they call it...). By using the Direct mode (with the sub off) for your music enjoyment and the DD/DTS modes for HT, you may be able to accomplish what you want. This is exactly what I'm doing, so I've got the sub on during DVDs but off during music play. Of course, the direct mode only works in stereo so I don't think there's a convenient way to have your sub on during 5.1 movies, but off during 5.1 music (like that new Diana Krall disc you got). Actually walking over and switching off the sub is far too much work! Give the direct mode a try, if you've got it. If not, you can always pack your 3300 up and pay the shipping to me so you'll have the freedom to buy another model! What are friends for? Ross Oh, BTW MR. Acevedo: Welcome to the forum! ------------------ "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted May 23, 2001 Author Share Posted May 23, 2001 Well, thanks all for piping up! Bryan, as his was the first correct post, wins my daughter's old collection of Madonna CDs (sorry, Ross - and I guess an apology to you also, Bryan!). It turns out that he was correct in all aspects of his post -- the 3300 remembers the sound mode based on the source, and I can adjust the direct sound mode to have the sub off. Victory is ours! I need to spend more time fiddling with the parameters of the various sound modes. And Keith, I am looking for just a single Forte at this time. No room for Forte surrounds yet. Thanks anyhow. Doug This message has been edited by dougdrake on 05-23-2001 at 11:30 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted May 23, 2001 Author Share Posted May 23, 2001 Hmm, my subconscious must have been rolling this around while I slept, 'cause I awoke with a question. In my case, I have my fronts set to large (Forte's), so turning my sub off in direct mode doesn't kill all the bass (I find it is sometimes too much bass to have the sub on for music.) But what if someone had "small" front speakers. If they turned off the sub in direct mode, would not bass management in the 3300/3801/5800 still send sub-80hz bass to the sub channel (which of course would not be heard since the sub is off?)? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacevedo Posted May 23, 2001 Share Posted May 23, 2001 My guess would be that you can't turn the sub off. I think that if you set speakers to small, it forces you to have a sub. But I could be wrong! But, it may let you do it, and you just wouldn't have any bass! One note on small speakers vs large speakers. I have read so many debates on what it should be, I just thought I would share my personal experience. I have the RB5's, which in no way are considered full range. But in my setup, when I set them to small, there was a lot of low bass, but not much mid-bass punch. So I set all of my speakers to large. My receiver lets me still send all bass below 80 hz to the sub no matter what the speakers are set to. Since I have done this, the bass is much fuller, male voices sound deeper, and the directionality is much better. Just thought that I would share that with ya all. Just for all of you non-Arizonans - when I went to my car today after work (which is in Scottsdale) the temperature guage in my car said it was 116 outside! On the drive home it cooled to a chilly 112. But it's a dry heat! ------------------ Thanks, Bryan "... But Honey - I promise this is the last thing I will have to buy for the Home Theater" Mistubishi 60" RPTV (VS60603) Denon AVR 3801 RCVR Denon DVM 1800 DVD JVC 3600U SVHS VCR RCA DirecTV Klipsch RB5 - L&R Klipsch RC3 - Center Klipsch RCW3 - In-wall surrounds Klipsch KSW12 - Sub Monster Power Conditioner Radio Shack Gold Series Interconnects Radio Shack 12 AWG Mega Cable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted May 24, 2001 Share Posted May 24, 2001 doug & bac, direct modes bypass all bass mgmt & tone/equalizer controls (iwo the dsp). hence the name-direct. accordingly, for a 2 channel source your fronts would get the full dose & u get no sub output - whether u have the fronts set to small or large. (i think) i've decided for music (usually in 5 channel stereo) it sounds best for me to put the front & center on small & leave the rear cornwalls on large (kinda like having a rear sub). i get a lot more bass w/ the fronts set to large, but it's not good quality bass. gets kinda muddy w/ the klf-30 & the velodyne sub (crossover out) overlapping all that way between 37hz & 100hz(where marantz has their set cut-off for bass mgmt). hate putting the klf-30 on small for anything, but music just sounds better that way. & if i want to listen to just the klf-30 full out w/ no cut-off for stereo, i can always flick the remote for direct mode. ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics direct drive turntable Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! This message has been edited by boa12 on 05-24-2001 at 04:13 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted May 24, 2001 Share Posted May 24, 2001 bacevedo,thought I'd give you a weather report from a little further south.In the afternoon heat today I was taking a break from doing nothing and decided to sit on the screen porch with a glass of fresh sweetea.It was sunny with a slight breeze blowing and the tea gave me a chill.I glanced up at the thermometer and it read 78 degrees.Had to go inside to warm up a little. Just wondering,do you still sweat in that dry heat? Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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