jimbobo Posted June 10, 2001 Share Posted June 10, 2001 I picked up the pioneer RG-2 processor at a garage sale for $5. What is this for and what does it do, it is in mint condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Favog Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 If this thing is a Dynamic Range Expander I'd be VERY careful using it. What it does is looks at passages in the program (music) and if they are quiet this thing will make the passage quieter. While on the other hand at stronger passeages it will make them louder. There should be two adjustments on there (I think). One is to control the "Threshold" in which you can tell it where you draw the line between what passages are quiet and which are stronger. Then there is an "Expansion" control. This will let you control the intensity of the unit's action (i.e.-o.k., we have a loud passage here. How much louder would you like to make it?). DBX put these units out for many years although I doubt your came from them. Probably a knockoff in the function and design. I'll get right to the part you may not want to hear. THESE THINGS ARE DEADLY TO KLIPSCH TWEETERS!!! I blew out three of them in my KLF-20's before I was convinced that my dbx 3BX Series Two was the problem. It worked fine in my system before I got the 20's since my old speaks had a sensitivity rating of about 80db (yechh!). But tweets in the Klipsch's are the weakest links in the chain. It doesn't take much distorted signal to fry-em. What the unit does is just increase power voltage (and distort the amps output signal) to the speakers and this is where it gets into trouble. It will over drive the amp to point of clipping. That is "clipping" off the peak of the sign wave and converting it into a very high pitched distortion signal. Which no speaker likes. Result? Over driven speakers with the weakest driver giving up the ghost. If you set this thing to very mild levels it MIGHT not hurt anything, but I wouldn't chance it. Anyway, at very mild levels you could probably barely tell it's working at all. Oh well, you could either keep it as a nastalgia piece or... there's always eBay! Good luck! ------------------ Tom KLF-20 Mahogany Carver C-1 (McIntosh C33 is coming!!) Rotel RB-1080 Yamaha PF-800 Turntable/ Sure V15 Type V Cartridge Ortofon VMS-30 Cartridge Stanton 999SS Cartridge Carver TL-3100 CD Yamaha K-1020 Cassette (maybe being mothballed) dbx 1231 EQ H.H. Scott 830z Analyzer Monster Interlink 400mk II Monster Interlink 300 mk II Studio Tech U-48RW Cabinet Original 12ga. Monster Cable This message has been edited by tblasing on 06-15-2001 at 10:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobo Posted June 11, 2001 Author Share Posted June 11, 2001 Thanks for the info. I've never used ebay before, how much do you think I could get for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobo Posted June 11, 2001 Author Share Posted June 11, 2001 Oh, I forgot to mention the controls are: input level (1-10), and dynamic expansion (4,7,10,13,16), and a level meter (like a tape deck). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Favog Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Jim, O.k. The input (1-10) level is probably equal to the Threshold I mentioned before and the Expansion looks like it is measured in db increase increments. That expansion level is most likely gonna do the most damage if you use the unit. The LED level that is on it is probably in two different colors. The change in color denotes where it is makeing the signal quieter (left side?) and when it makes things louder. The point that the it goes from one color to another is the "Threshold" point. I haven't sold anythig on eBay either but it may be worth looking into. I think eBay gets 3% of the total selling price for the item. I thought I saw a few months ago a listing for one of these. Maybe not the exact model but it sounds very similar. I don't think it went for much more than $50. But still that's more than you paid. You may want to do a search on eBay to see if you can find the sale of that similar item. Just type in the make and model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobo Posted June 11, 2001 Author Share Posted June 11, 2001 I found a link for one on ebay, it's the same one. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1244437025 I think I will keep it and use it for my turntable (when I get one), and set it to 4 or 7 dB's. Do you (or anyone) know of a good turntable for, say $200, I really don't want to spend to much right now, as I don't have to many records at the moment. ------------------ My bedroom system: TV: 27" Toshiba CZ27V51 YAMAHA RX-V596 YAMAHA CDC-575 TOSHIBA SD2109 KLF 10 soon to have RC-3 KSW-10 (soon to upgrade to 12) POLK R10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffgeorge Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 My Father has a Yamaha linear tracking turntable, but I am not sure how much he wants for it. tbalasting is right on the money in regards to a dynamic range expander. I had a dbx before and found it to be quite destructive to tweeters. I'll get back to you on the turntable. ------------------ RF-3's : mains RC-3 : center RS-3's : surrounds KSW-12: subwoofer Receiver: Denon 2801 DVD: Panasonic DVD-A120 CD: Yamaha CDC-765 Cables: Tributaries Sat Receiver: Hughes Direct-TV DD5.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Favog Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 Jim, Just remember, for every 3db of boosted signal you put into your tweeters you doubling the power input. Frightening but true. Sorry I can't help ya with the turntable. I have a "vintage" Yamaha PF-800 belt drive that sounds wounderfull. It's a traditional tone arm configuration with a distinct feature. The tonearm is actually two seperate pipes to/from the headshell. They seperated left and right channels so to keep the intermodulation of channels down to a minimum. If you want to look for something fun, a long time ago (20-25 years; yea I know this shows my age) there used to be upper scale turtables with up to four(4) tonearms in the same unit! This was so you could have a veriety of cartriges to suit your current listening taste. I have three for mine but I have to swap out the headshells when the notion moves me. Sure V15 Type V w/VN45HE stylus- Good all around sound and rather quick. Also the most worn out! Ortofon VMS-30 mkII- Still good range but for smoother "Barry White" evenings. Stanton 999SS- For when some of my oger friends come over to play their K-Tel era Slim Whitman's Favorite Yodleing Songs. Known as the Godzilla Bicept Claw. ------------------ Tom KLF-20 Mahogany Carver C-1 (McIntosh C33 is coming!!) Rotel RB-1080 Yamaha PF-800 Turntable/ Sure V15 Type V Cartridge Ortofon VMS-30 Cartridge Stanton 999SS Cartridge Carver TL-3100 CD Yamaha K-1020 Cassette (maybe being mothballed) dbx 1231 EQ H.H. Scott 830z Analyzer Monster Interlink 400mk II Monster Interlink 300 mk II Studio Tech U-48RW Cabinet Original 12ga. Monster Cable This message has been edited by tblasing on 06-15-2001 at 11:03 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 11, 2001 Share Posted June 11, 2001 t, wonder if that 4 arm was to comply w/ the ole quadraphonic cartridge. & after quad flopped they all said stereo only was here for good. whoops guess i just showed my age 2 i still get pretty good results from old technics direct drive w/ audio technica cart. shouldn't have practically given away the technics belt-drive w/ that nice stanton cart. glad u mentioned cartridges. a lot to be said for the quality of cartridge for the sound quality. ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics direct drive turntable Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Favog Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Boa, Sumpin' tells me you got an SL-1200 mkII. Those things a real tanks. If memory serves those will get up to speed in 1/4 of a turn of the platter! When I was in Audio retail about 20 years ago a co-worker claimed he had the "Ultimate" system. Yea, that's all opinion. Anyway he did tell me of a Pioneer turntable that you could lift the whole unit by it's tonearm! You could also put the table on the floor, stand on the platter and it would still get up to speed as (as long as you didn't loose your lunch!). ------------------ Tom KLF-20 Mahogany Carver C-1 (McIntosh C33 is coming!!) Rotel RB-1080 Yamaha PF-800 Turntable/ Sure V15 Type V Cartridge Ortofon VMS-30 Cartridge Stanton 999SS Cartridge Carver TL-3100 CD Yamaha K-1020 Cassette (maybe being mothballed) dbx 1231 EQ H.H. Scott 830z Analyzer Monster Interlink 400mk II Monster Interlink 300 mk II Studio Tech U-48RW Cabinet Original 12ga. Monster Cable Stuff in storage: Technics SB-7's mains Technics SB-3's rears Yamaha NS-W2 sub Teac V-33 cassette Technics RSM-236 cassette dbx nx-40 dbx 3BX Series Two dbx 200 Carver MX-150 Numark EQ-2300 (LOL) Archer (Radio Shack) FM booster Enough boxes for a fire hazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 t, only have the SL-1950 w/ AT LS500 cartridge. actually got it for $10 at a garage sale. is rather tankish looking. thanks- i now updated it on my signature list below. hadn't bothered to even look at the models on those yea my 1st was a garrard w/ a shure cart from wherehouse sound co. in san luis obispo, CA. opted for that over the bsr. & 1st purchase ever was mail order. no net back then- my pc woulda been bigger than the office room here. also got a sansui integrated amp(15WX2) & EV bookshelves(8" woofs). 1st taste of high-fi bliss. the turntable was the show source component then. well unless u could afford a teac reel to reel tape deck. then came the 8-track & cassette decks. ahhh the memories. ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics SL-1950 turntable/AT LS500 cartridge Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Favog Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 BSR, Dual--man...I'm gonna be sick. Remember when DAK was a big thing in mail order? LOL This message has been edited by tblasing on 06-12-2001 at 04:39 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 oh yea i remember seeing the DAK ads in my stereo review & high fidelity mags. those disco days are gone but not forgotten (well, except for the disco music). ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C-7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnects & Monster CX-2 biwire & Z-12 cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Monster MCX Biwires Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics SL-1950 turntable/AT LS500 cartridge Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobo Posted June 13, 2001 Author Share Posted June 13, 2001 Sorry for the slow response, I've been busy. Jeff George I'd be interested in the turntable u can email me at jg1587@hotmail.com. tblansing do you know where I could find a Sure V15 Type V w/VN45HE cart/stylus. Thanks everyone for the input. ------------------ My bedroom system: TV: 27" Toshiba CZ27V51 YAMAHA RX-V596 YAMAHA CDC-575 TOSHIBA SD2109 KLF 10 soon to have RC-3 KSW-10 (soon to upgrade to 12) POLK R10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Favog Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 Jim, There's a few different places you can get this. Although I don't think the same stylus is available anymore. The closest thing would be a V15 Type VxMR for about $275. There's a couple of places I found in Stereophile magazine. There's http://www.needledoctor.com in Minnesota and http://www.acousticsounds.com in Kansas. They are priced the same. ------------------ Tom KLF-20 Mahogany McIntosh C33 (Carver C-1 for sale?) Rotel RB-1080 Yamaha PF-800 Turntable/ Sure V15 Type V Cartridge Ortofon VMS-30 Cartridge Stanton 999SS Cartridge Carver TL-3100 CD Yamaha K-1020 Cassette (maybe being mothballed) dbx 1231 EQ H.H. Scott 830z Analyzer Monster Interlink 400mk II Monster Interlink 300 mk II Studio Tech U-48RW Cabinet Original 12ga. Monster Cable This message has been edited by tblasing on 06-15-2001 at 11:08 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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