tpg Posted November 1, 2004 Share Posted November 1, 2004 Yes... I do use them a lot. I suppose it may be annoying... I just figure they say more than I can in words sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeywoodJa Posted November 1, 2004 Author Share Posted November 1, 2004 Thanks for all of your comments - Since my buddy seems to be such a know it all I have convinced him to bring it over to my my modest HT and compare against my SVS PB2 ISD. I expect more of a punch from the velo but I don't think it will go as low as the SVS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeywoodJa Posted November 2, 2004 Author Share Posted November 2, 2004 We did a side by side test last night of the Velo vs. SVS. We both own Klipsch reference speakers so we can remove any thoughts that the speakers made the difference in this test. We first tested some movies with some heavy base scenes - Star Wars 2 the scene where the ship is landing before it gets attacked. The SVS shook the house but in a slow rumbling way. The Velo did not fare well - it seemed to rattle and sound like it was going to break to pieces. The next movie we tried was Behind Enemy Lines the scene where he runs through the gauntlet of mines. WOW I see now what the Velo offers big slam in you face for each explosion whereas SVS made the house shake but no salami slapping the couch. It was about that time when my wife yelled "turn it down" that we decided to test music on a day she would be out of the house. Does anyone know why the velo would have rattled for SW but be kick *** for behind Enemy Lines? I am assuming that it could have been a very low bass signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 ---------------- On 11/2/2004 3:19:48 PM HeywoodJa wrote: We did a side by side test last night of the Velo vs. SVS. We both own Klipsch reference speakers so we can remove any thoughts that the speakers made the difference in this test. We first tested some movies with some heavy base scenes - Star Wars 2 the scene where the ship is landing before it gets attacked. The SVS shook the house but in a slow rumbling way. The Velo did not fare well - it seemed to rattle and sound like it was going to break to pieces. The next movie we tried was Behind Enemy Lines the scene where he runs through the gauntlet of mines. WOW I see now what the Velo offers big slam in you face for each explosion whereas SVS made the house shake but no salami slapping the couch. It was about that time when my wife yelled "turn it down" that we decided to test music on a day she would be out of the house. Does anyone know why the velo would have rattled for SW but be kick *** for behind Enemy Lines? I am assuming that it could have been a very low bass signal. ---------------- What the hell is this salami slapping the couch... I'm a little scared to ask. Seem like the velo counldn't handle that low frequency in starwars that lucas is famed for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 ---------------- On 11/2/2004 4:28:50 PM Jay481985 wrote: What the hell is this salami slapping the couch... I'm a little scared to ask. ---------------- The phrase is "whacking a sofa with a salami". It was coined sometime in the mid 70's by Audio magazine to describe the "wooly" bass of underdamped woofers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpg Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 The Velo, being sealed, offers much "quicker responding" (for lack of better term) bass. I've noticed in my own system that sealed subs have a very hard impact, but lack the lower extension that shake things long-term. The ported designs then shake things really well. That is why for a long time, I ran a sealed and ported sub together. Without my sealed sub hooked up, there was no slam and the bass sounded muddy and "slow". With only the sealed sub, there was huge impact, but no sustain. When running them both, though, it seemed that the better qualities of each held together. This has to do, mainly, with characteristics of each box type, I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 ---------------- On 11/3/2004 12:51:05 AM tpg wrote: The Velo, being sealed, offers much "quicker responding" (for lack of better term) bass. I've noticed in my own system that sealed subs have a very hard impact, but lack the lower extension that shake things long-term. The ported designs then shake things really well. That is why for a long time, I ran a sealed and ported sub together. Without my sealed sub hooked up, there was no slam and the bass sounded muddy and "slow". With only the sealed sub, there was huge impact, but no sustain. When running them both, though, it seemed that the better qualities of each held together. This has to do, mainly, with characteristics of each box type, I'd say. ---------------- From your little descripton I know you do not have any serious main speakers,as solid near full range mains will enable you to cut the sub around 40Hz.There your perception no longer applies.As Around 40Hz and below there is no such thing as slam or the so called "speed". Also your description tells me you have peaks and dips in the response,your subs are NOT set up right.If they were you would not post what you just did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpg Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I had the receiver set up at a 100Hz or so crossover. I am running RF-3 mains... they have a decent low-end response. I just don't run them that way... I leave my receiver settings alone for the most part. I don't like the way my recevier sounds when it is crossed over lower. It does not have a good bass response, IMO. I was generalizing, ear... the poster's setup is probably also crossed over high, as per most home theater receivers. I agree, though, subs cut low get rid of all those differences in "speed" and such. I don't have a dedicated home theater room so to speak, so I cannot make it acoustically perfect. Nor do I have a spare $10000 every time I want to upgrade one component. I love upgrading and such, but I do so on small scale, usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholtl Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 ---------------- On 11/3/2004 2:16:14 PM tpg wrote: I don't have a dedicated home theater room so to speak, so I cannot make it acoustically perfect. Nor do I have a spare $10000 every time I want to upgrade one component. I love upgrading and such, but I do so on small scale, usually. ---------------- Well said. What you say speaks for many of us, tpg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartdude Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 So where would you recommend looking to set up the sub properly? I recently did a 12hr roundtrip drive to get a svs pb12-plus/2 and have yet to invest in setting it up properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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