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    Engineering-Audio, magnetics, materials for electronic and magnetic applications, engineering models and simulation, SPICE, MATLAB, FORTRAN, acoustics, complex algebra, physics of sound, microphones, vintage audio, loudspeaker design, amplifier design, McIntosh amplifiers, discrete semiconductor devices.....and movies including silents, foreign and indies.
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    12" Utah Tri-axial drivers mounted in LRE bass "reflex" enclosures.

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  1. John Warren

    Replacing the K400 with the 11"x17" ZXPC Horn

    Yes, DCM50, Tweeter is STH100 Tractrix w/HF10AK compression driver.
  2. John Warren

    Replacing the K400 with the 11"x17" ZXPC Horn

    I've used the Selenium HM3950. On a passive bandpass type net and with a decent tweeter the horn can sound quite good. I fabricated an new baffle to replace the factory baffle. I then tri-amped it for a wee time using active, analog filters that I shoe-horned into the old Crown D45s. It was a great little setup. I did sell it however and I regret that on occasion. Parts Express sells the HM3950 for $200/pr. That includes the support bracket that is required for big drivers like the BMS unit shown below. Making the baffle insert isn't that straightforward because it requires routing which is a hassle. I'll post the plans for the insert.
  3. Yes, guilty as charged. Note the plot is a simulation result using a SPICE package, it's not a measured response.
  4. John Warren

    CL-D Bi and Tri-amping (lots of photos and plots)

    Here's the module, very easy to build and make connections to power and amplifier. Requires a center-tapped power supply greater than about 20VDC. All tests of the module were using a +/-100VDC. There's on-board power supplies for the op-amp packages. Here using two AD713 quad for each channel. Useful for putting a bass horn on a low-frequency bandpass with dedicated amplifier. I'll put a webpage together showing how to use it and what it's capable of. The low and high frequency -3dB corner frequencies can be shifted left or right by changing a few caps and resistors. Sallen-Key makes that possible.
  5. Yet virtually all control rooms use the same large format configuration for their monitors, dual 12 or 15" direct radiators or 10"x4 quads. Go figure?
  6. Not sure about making points, it's what I've been saying all along. This is my statement you took exception to: "Recapping, there's nothing intrinsically low distortion" associated with a woofer cone working hard into the radiation resistance of the Klipschorn throat. The net effect is higher sensitivity over that narrow range at the expense of a whole lot of other parameters equally important to good sound." I don't see where I say anything about a woofer "flopping in the wind" with no load? (btw, "working hard" was a figure of speech) I state clearly that the cone works into the radiation resistance, nothing else. And that's what I meant by " at the expense of a whole lot of other parameters equally important to good sound." Bandwidth is the price paid for that sensitivity. The bandwidth of the Klipschorn radiation resistance is what? perhaps 2 octaves? To extend the bandwidth you resorted to the Jubilee which is more complex, two drivers, more wood, more cost.
  7. But the imaginary part of the impedance isn't that large when the radiation resistance is significant. By way of the impedance matching, a larger fraction of the power sent to the driver is dissipated through the radiation resistance whilst less is stored into the reactance. Just because the cone moves less at peak sensitivity doesn't mean it's not working hard. The mechanical stresses are higher and that leads to it's own non-linearities.
  8. Why is it that good engineers, with good test gear just can't seem to replicate PWK's work? https://asa.scitation.org/doi/10.1121/1.3437441 Abstract It has been stated that the total modulation distortion produced by a loudspeaker system is inversely related to the efficiency of the system, and that horn‐loaded systems display less of this distortion than the best direct radiators [P. W. Klipsch, “Modulation Distortion in Loudspeakers,” J. Audio Eng. Soc. 17, No. 2 (Apr. 1969)]. This statement runs contrary to modulation theory, which relates modulation distortion to the amplitude or velocity of diaphragm vibration. Measurements were made both on a high‐quality, full‐range horn‐loaded system and on a large, full‐range direct‐radiator system. Each system was driven with the sum of a 41‐Hz and a 350‐Hz tone to evaluate woofer distortion, and with the sum of a 510‐Hz and a 4.4‐kHz tone to evaluate mid‐range distortion. Output levels ranging up to 110 dB SPL were used. The acoustic output of the speakers was fed to a real‐time spectrum analyzer, and total modulation distortion calculated after the method described by Klipsch. Under all conditions measured, the direct radiator produced substantially less distortion. For example, at 110 dB SPL output, its woofer modulation distortion was 3.9% vs 5.8% for the horn system.
  9. Your assumption is wrong. The bottom left of the Klipschorn response plot clearly shows "LMS" so it's a cross-correlated MLS response taken at the factory likely by Delgado on a factory, circa 2000, bass horn. Even if it's an early 50s unit the response with the sinus cavities and smaller throat opening wouldn't be that different. Troll? Really? Give me a ******* break!
  10. Really? Dual, suspendable 18" direct radiator sub-woofer arrays.
  11. Significantly? Hardly. The red plot is the impedance of the Klipschorn tucked into a concrete corner. The black solid plot is a functional form of the Beranek model of the Klipschorn throat using a variable (s-plane) element to "fit" the simulated throat resistance to the actual data. The blue dotted line is the model with no s-plane element. The difference between the dotted line and the solid is a pretty fair assessment of the impedance change associated with horn loading. Radiation resistance is the resistive part of the change. Between 90 and 200Hz the impedance is about 5 Ohms, i.e. like a resistor. That's the radiation resistance and where the response peak is measured and the sensitivity a maximum. The magnitude of the radiation resistance is around an Ohm. You don't have to believe the SPICE simulations, the range where the radiation resistance is active can be eyeballed from the red plot directly.
  12. The Klipschorn folded unit does not horn load the K33E to 32Hz. The horn loads the driver over a narrow range of frequencies, i.e. where the peak output is measured in the factory plot, it coincides with the maximum sensitivity and where the radiation resistance is significant. The impedance indicates the radiation resistance is significant between 90-350Hz . Below that it's a 15" woofer in a sealed box. My ears tell me the Klipschorn bass unit sounds clearer when it's operating on a band-pass (active) filter and supplemented with a sub. I'll show you what I'm referring to a wee bit later.
  13. The large peak in the bass horn response has been dealt with to some extent in the AK-4 and -5 nets by applying a filter that knocks it down a bit. By throwing away some sensitivity the frequency response magnitude (the flatness?) is improved. But sensitivity is the reason why all the trouble with making the folded unit in the first place. One could further reduce it to be "flatter" I suppose but then what's the point?
  14. Ya know your talking to a guy that has a couple of pair of Klipschorns here? The photo below is a simple vented enclosure (granted it's 2" thick and weighs about 300lbs) with a pair of 2226Hs. It's a 2X15" format that most studio monitors use. When bi-amped and outfitted with the appropriated top end, a much preferred alternative.