Son O' Gritz Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 Which Denon receiver is better for my upcoming Klipsch SF-2 SC-1 SS-1 KSW-12 system. The price difference is not an issue. Any response on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son O' Gritz Posted August 27, 2001 Author Share Posted August 27, 2001 Sorry, I forgot to mention I am specifically trying to decide between the AVR-2801 and the AVR-1802. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillips Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 I'm happy with my AVR-2800 in my bedroom HT.I have KSB 2.1 mains,SC-1 and SS-1s w/2 SW 8 II subs.Go with the 2801. My 2800 also drives my Cornwalls nicely. I wouldn't say one is better than the other,but I liked the features on the 2800 better than the 1800 I had for a month.Sounded the same,just liked the 2800 more. Not sure about any differences between the 2801 and 1802. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogins Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 Pretty much, the differences between the 2801 and the 1802 are the power and the option of Dolby ProLogic II. The 1802 is 80x5 watts w/0.08% THD and supports DPL II. The 2801 is 90x5 watts w/0.05% THD and it doesn't support DPL II. If you don't need DPL II, then get the 2801. It has more power and will sound clearer because of the lower THD. However, this is just from the specs that I read. I have heard the 2801, but not the 1802. So I don't really know how they differ in sound. ------------------ -Paul AMD T-Bird 900 Asus A7V Micron 256 MB PC-133 IBM 30 GB 7200 rpm ATA 100 Pioneer DVD-105 Slot-Load (16X/40X) 3Dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 (soon to be Hercules Fortissimo II) NEC MultiSync M700 17" (soon to be LG Flatron 915FT Plus 19") Razor Boomslang 2000 w/Everglide Giganta These speakers are for my computer, not a HT Receiver: Kenwood VR-409 (soon to be Denon AVR-2802) Speakers: Klipsch Quintets (5 sats. soon adding Klipsch KSC-C1) Sub: Sony SA-W305 mini-sub (soon to be HSU Research VTF-2) This message has been edited by oogins on 08-27-2001 at 10:29 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son O' Gritz Posted August 27, 2001 Author Share Posted August 27, 2001 Thank you for the responses. I have one more question what are the advantages of having DPL II? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted August 27, 2001 Share Posted August 27, 2001 son o', someone please correct if wrong, but as i understand it from readings, PL II basically expands prologic decoding by taking a 2 channel signal from say a regular cd or a tv broadcast in analog stereo or dolby surround 2.0 channels & splitting what was a mono rear channel w/ prologic into both a rear left & rear right to more resemble dolby digital 5.1 channel(ac-3). so w/ a 2 channel source you get front-L channel, front-R, center-matrix blend of L&R, rear-L w/ delay, & rear-R w/ delay. of course for reproduction you need the 5 speakers & sub optional (or mandatory for me). looks like i'm on my way to a new receiver & PL II looks like a must have for me because i do a lot of digital cable movies & most are still in 2 channel. so would be especially good if you watch stereo movies on TV or video tape, or maybe you'd like it over 5 channel stereo for music. this is just on paper for me. still need to go hear it. probably on that new denon 4802 this week ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect/Monster MCX-2 biwire & Z cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D 5-disk cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2100 digital cable box Monster HTS1000 PowerCenter Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3, RC-3 Monster MCX-1 Biwire Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics SL-1950 turntable/AT LS500 cartridge rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogins Posted August 28, 2001 Share Posted August 28, 2001 I believe that everything you said there was correct Boa. I'm upgrading receivers soon, and I was originally going to get the Denon 3801 because of 6.1/7.1. But then Denon announced their new line of receivers. Now I'm going with the 2802 because it is cheaper than the 3801, has an adjustable crossover, supports 6.1 and last but not least, it has DPL II. As you can see in my signature, I use this system for computer speakers. I mainly use PL for gaming. Ever since Dolby announced PL II, I knew that I simply must have it. I'm sure it will be a huge improvement. I mean, hasn't PL been around since the mid-80's? ------------------ -Paul AMD T-Bird 900 Asus A7V Micron 256 MB PC-133 IBM 30 GB 7200 rpm ATA 100 Pioneer DVD-105 Slot-Load (16X/40X) 3Dfx Voodoo5 5500 AGP Sound Blaster Live! X-Gamer 5.1 (soon to be Hercules Fortissimo II) NEC MultiSync M700 17" (soon to be LG Flatron 915FT Plus 19") Razor Boomslang 2000 w/Everglide Giganta These speakers are for my computer, not a HT Receiver: Kenwood VR-409 (soon to be Denon AVR-2802) Speakers: Klipsch Quintets (5 sats. soon adding Klipsch KSC-C1) Sub: Sony SA-W305 mini-sub (soon to be HSU Research VTF-2) This message has been edited by oogins on 08-28-2001 at 12:24 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capta Posted August 28, 2001 Share Posted August 28, 2001 I just finished building my first HT system: Klipsch KG3.5 mains, KSC-C1 Center, KSB1.1 rears. I purchased the Denon 2801, after considering as you did the 1802. There are some advantages to the 2801 I don't think others mentioned: 1) The 2801 has On-Screen-Display; the 1802 does not. 2) The 2801 comes with a learning remote, the 1802 does not (pretty sure). 3) The 2801's 90wpc vs. 80wpc is a good thing given that I have to really crank my 2801 to get it loud. I think 80wpc would be very marginal and I am glad I went with the 2801 in this regard. 4) The 2801 has pre-outs for all channels; the 1802 only L,R, C, Sub, if that makes any difference to you. 5) The 2801 has bananna plugs all around; the 1802 does not, if that makes any difference to you. I personally like it. 6) The 2801 is currently available for only about $30-$40 more than the 1802. I got mine from 6thAvenue, an authorised dealer, for $395 + shipping. Lowest (non-authorised BTW) price for the 1802 is ~$360. 7) I pass this on only as an "unsubstantiated allegation," but my local Denon dealer roundly criticised the 1601/02 and 1801/02. He said they were not built in Japan, but Korea. Said their quality was not up to Denon standards and he had had several returned with problems. Said the 2801s and up were quality products. For what it's worth. 8) In the 1802's favor, DPLII has gotten some very good reviews in another bulletin board I frequent (www.audioreview.com). Read through the HT message board and decide for yourself. I think the 1802 deserves consideration on that point, but otherwise IMHO the choice is the 2801, particularly given the current low cost. HTH, BrianM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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