CYBERSHEB Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 HEY THERE...I'M NEW HERE, AM REALLY GLAD TO JOIN U GUYS. I'M HAVING THE KLF-30's & KLF-C7 FOR THE FRONT AND CENTER BUT NO REARS AT THE MOMENT. I AM DRIVING THEM WITH A MARNATZ SR-8000. I'M VERY MUCH INTO MUSIC SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR ADVICE ON HAVING THE KLF-20's FOR THE REARS. THANKS A LOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephemeris Posted September 2, 2001 Share Posted September 2, 2001 Cyber, I do use KLF-20s for surrounds but to be honest I did it as much for decorating esthetics as sound. There are definitely two camps on it. Here's a rough summary from memory: The current conventional wisdom says use purpose built surrounds (e.g. bipole, dipole, WDST, etc. speakers) for surrounds. This seems to be based on the assumption that DVDs and VHS tapes are mixed with surround channels designed for diffuse (hard to localize) playback. However, if you go with this reasoning, it means that it will be hard for the listener to localize something in the surround channel even when the recording engineer intends you to. Curiously, you also see recommmendations to us of full range monopoles for SACD and DVD-A playback. I take this as indicating that the recording engineers may want localized sounds in the surrounds. On the other hand, the Audio Engineering Society, Sterophile Magazine and Horned seem to think the left/center/right/left surround/right surround should all be identical full range speakers for home theater. What do I make of it? I think we're dealing with a legacy issue of sorts caused by the early adoption of the satellite/sub model espoused by THX and others during the formative Pro-Logic era. Properly mixed 5 channel soundtracks played back through monopole speakes are capable of having localized and diffuse sounds in the surrounds through proper mixing. The real question is what do the guys doing the mix think it's going to be played back on? My personal hope is that we'll move back toward the assumption of identical monopoles in the front and back. I say this for a few reasons: 1) I think this would be the most flexible solution. 2) Obviously timbre matching issues pretty much go away when you use identical speakers front and rear 3) Power going to the rears seem to keep going up and I hate to worry about hurting the usually less efficient rear speakers. Naturally, there are circumstances that clearly preclude the use of monople surrounds. The obvious one is the common situation where the listener's couch is backed up against the rear wall in the HT and the surrounds (for whatever reasons) have to be mounted on said rear wall. I also think the use of the monopoles for surrounds becomes less controversial the farther they are from the listening position. My KLF-20s are about 15 feet out (and about 20 degrees back) and the effect seems reasonably good. I hope that helps some This message has been edited by Ephemeris on 09-02-2001 at 11:32 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer Posted September 3, 2001 Share Posted September 3, 2001 I have KLF-20s rear with Chorus IIs up front, C-7 center.....SWETT.... ------------------ Cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig6519 Posted September 3, 2001 Share Posted September 3, 2001 I just added some 1989 KG4 to my rears, have KLF-30 up front and I think it rocks. Craig ------------------ Klipsch KLF30 Mains Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch KSP-S6 Surrounds Klipsch KSB 1.1 Front Effects Dual SVS 20-39CS Sub's Samaon S700 Sub Amp Yamaha DSP-A1 Yamaha MDX-793 Mini disc Yamaha TX-492 Tuner Sony CDP-C701ES 5 disc Player Panasonic A110 DVD Hitachi MX6080EM Muli-system HI-FI VCR Hitachi 29" T.V. Denon DP-37F Turntable Pair of KG4's (looking for a good center) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lag Posted September 3, 2001 Share Posted September 3, 2001 Using bipoles or dipoles will help disperse sound better and reduce localization when used for surrounds or rears. However, as Ephemeris mentioned - that means you won't be able to localize sounds that are meant to be also. Personally, I recommend monopoles for surrounds and rears if you have both a side and rear channel. If you're running just one surround channel w/o rears then it might be better to use dipoles or bipoles. Really though, the best thing to do is try them both in your own listening room and see what sounds best w/ a sampling of your typical the source material. -Mike ------------------ Electronics ----------- Display: NEC LT150 Projector w/ Da-Lite Model-B 67"x50" Scrn DVD Player: Pioneer Elite DV-05 Decoder: Lexicon DC-2 DD/DTS/THX Equalization (front): AudioControl C-101 Series III Amplifiers (front): Rotel RB-991 - 200W x 2 Amplifiers (center/sides): Rotel RB-993 - 200W x 3 Amplifiers (read): Adcom GFA 5500 - 200W x 2 Power Conditioner: Monster HTS 3500 Power Center Speakers -------- Front: (2x) Klipsch KLF-30 (black satin finish) Center: Klipsch KLF-C7 (black satin finish) Side/Rear: (4x) Klipsch RB-5 (medium oak) Sub: Velodyne HGS-15 (black gloss) Interconnects ------------- DVD to DC-2: generic Toslink Front: AudioQuest Coral Sides: AudioQuest Topaz Center/Sub: AudioQuest Diamondback Rear: AudioQuest Turquoise Speaker Cables -------------- Front: Kimber Kable 4TC (hi) / Kimber Kable 8TC (lo) Center: Monster Cable Z3 Side: AudioQuest Type 4+ Rear: AudioQuest Slate (single bi-wire) s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBERSHEB Posted September 3, 2001 Author Share Posted September 3, 2001 HEY GUYS.. SORRY I TOOK SO LONG TO REPLY..THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR COMMENTS... YEAH, I'VE DECIDED TO KEEP MONOPOLES FOR REARS. SINCE I HAVE THE KLF-30'S FOR FRONTS... WHICH WOULD BE MORE BETTER FOR THE REARS THE 30's OR 20's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer Posted September 4, 2001 Share Posted September 4, 2001 Personally,I like the 20s, but if you have the extra cash, go for the 30s since you already have them up front the match will be perfect.....enjoy ------------------ Cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lag Posted September 4, 2001 Share Posted September 4, 2001 Most of us wish we could use floor standing speakers for rear as well as front, even more so to be able to use the same ones - go for it if you can afford the second pair of KLF-30's. If they end up not working out you can always replace them w/ bookshelf speakers and then use them for a stereo elsewhere in the house or something. -Mike ------------------ Electronics ----------- Display: NEC LT150 Projector w/ Da-Lite Model-B 67"x50" Scrn DVD Player: Pioneer Elite DV-05 Decoder: Lexicon DC-2 DD/DTS/THX Equalization (front): AudioControl C-101 Series III Amplifiers (front): Rotel RB-991 - 200W x 2 Amplifiers (center/sides): Rotel RB-993 - 200W x 3 Amplifiers (read): Adcom GFA 5500 - 200W x 2 Power Conditioner: Monster HTS 3500 Power Center Speakers -------- Front: (2x) Klipsch KLF-30 (black satin finish) Center: Klipsch KLF-C7 (black satin finish) Side/Rear: (4x) Klipsch RB-5 (medium oak) Sub: Velodyne HGS-15 (black gloss) Interconnects ------------- DVD to DC-2: generic Toslink Front: AudioQuest Coral Sides: AudioQuest Topaz Center/Sub: AudioQuest Diamondback Rear: AudioQuest Turquoise Speaker Cables -------------- Front: Kimber Kable 4TC (hi) / Kimber Kable 8TC (lo) Center: Monster Cable Z3 Side: AudioQuest Type 4+ Rear: AudioQuest Slate (single bi-wire) s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted September 4, 2001 Share Posted September 4, 2001 to put it real simple, directs for music, wdst for HT. that's one thing i like so much on the features of the upper denons. A & B surrounds w/ switching & memory for the chosen mode. cyber, oh & for your current set-up & music liking, go w/ the 30s. ------------------ Klipsch KLF 30 (front), KLF C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect/Monster MCX-2 biwire & Z cable Marantz SR-8000 receiver Sony DVP-C650D 5-disk cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2100 digital cable box Monster HTS1000 PowerCenter Boa's Listenin Lounge: Klipsch RF-3, RC-3 Monster MCX-1 Biwire Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage 1975) Russound AB-2 receiver switch to RF-3 Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd changer Technics SL-1950 turntable/AT LS500 cartridge rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted September 5, 2001 Share Posted September 5, 2001 A good review, Ephemeris! I would add that the sound engineers that mix the movies assume that there will be five (or six) full range speakers plus a GREAT subwoofer to recreate their work in your living room. WDST (etc.) helps make small rooms sound bigger, but big rooms work best (IMHO) with full range speakers set to SMALL all around. The latest releases are mixed that way, so unless you are stuck with a vast (or even half vast) collection of ProLogic era videotapes... go for the sound that cinema sound engineers expect you will. I have tried KLF 10's, 20's and 30's in support of KLF-30 mains... and as the list below indicates... KLF 30's are my choice! More punch over 90 Hz plus better tone & timbre match on front-to-back sound pans. But, the 20's run a very close second with matching mid-range and tweeter horns. Love that good ol' "Klipsch Sound!" HornEd ------------------ "Where Legends Live! Klipsch Powered HT" FOREGROUND SOUND STAGE: KLF 30 Center, KLF 30 Mains, KLF 10 Front Effects BACKGROUND SOUND STAGE: KLF 30 L&R Side/Surrounds, KLF 30 Rear Effects LARGE MOUTH BASS: Twin SVS CS-Ultra sub with Samson Megawatt Amp SPEAKER SUPPORT SYSTEMS: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65", Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver Toshiba Pro Scan 6200, Toshiba Pro 6-head SVHS W808 and such... Tweakin' On! Music Respite Room: Cornwalls & SVS 16-46/Ultra Klipsched Motor Home SB2's, KLF C-7, ???, Yamaha 5-disc DVD/CD 996, Under Construction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M6 Driver Posted September 5, 2001 Share Posted September 5, 2001 I'm in the same boat I'm canning my 8.5's for a set of KLF 20's for my rears, so what would I be missing? Sound wise that is- granted I don't have the hearing of a canine so what gives! ------------------ Thanks J KLF 30 Mains C7 Center 8.5 rears Yamaha RX-V995 Toshiba SD-1600 DVD Pioneer CLD-S201 LD Pioneer PD-M53 CD Sony 32 inch TV no subs till house built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBERSHEB Posted September 5, 2001 Author Share Posted September 5, 2001 HEY.. U GUYS ARE JUST GREAT. I'M GETING MESELF A PAIR OF 30's FOR REARS. THANKS A LOT AGAIN.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer Posted September 6, 2001 Share Posted September 6, 2001 Good choice, let us know how you like them!!!! ------------------ Cruzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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