playntheblues Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I have just purchased a pair of beat up LaScalas I plan to use as my PA speakers for our band. I have been trying to find a tube mixer ether powered or not powered. We only need 4 imputs, 3 for mics and one stereo, so 4 channels or so into 2 so to speak. So a couple of questions if I may? First do you guys know of any good tube mixers powered or not? Secondly if I can't find a good tube mixer what is the best SS mixer for LaScalas? Perhaps a digital one? All thoughts are GREATLY appreciated. All the best, Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 well, i can't imagine why you would want a tube powered mixer ... but, as you asked ... Fender made a 4 channel mixer/ amp ... it looked just like a guitar head .. and, yes ... they SUCK ...........[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 WHY on earth would you want this? Ugly response, bad reliability, hardly road worthy. I used to have a Traynor 4 ch PA head, like Dukes, it resembled a Marshall head. Really horrible. Had a 4x12 guitar cabinet on stand on each side of stage. Ugly as all get out.. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playntheblues Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 I love this forum nobody holds their punches LOL. First off LaScalas would not be my choice to lug around ether! This is for my home studio both the speakers and the head will not be moved. Fender also made a 6 channel 80 watts x 2 version call the Fender PS 160 Voice Amplifier in the 70's. It had reverb and could be used for guitar as well. I was hoping this would be a fun project???? I thought the tubes would be sweet for vocals and would be nice for music through the LS. If the responses are that bad I will go in a different direction. I was a little scared that it would be WAY to noisey for the LS anyway. Is there a mellow SS (digital) mixer you guys like something that might have a little of what tubes bring to the table? Thanks, Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 How much do you want to spend on this? Everybody makes this stuff, ART, Rolls, DBX, Berhinger, etc. The single mic ART units start at $45, and they sound tons better than cheap opamp based preamps. Used Neve channel strips show up on eBay all the time. The more you spend, the more you get. Tom Jung (DMP) used a Manley 8+8 for a recent project, about $9,500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 All depends on the money you want to spend. These from TL Audio are very nice, and new: http://www.tlaudio.co.uk/tlaudio/docs/products/m3.shtmlThe pic is the high end model, but the link is for a smaller rack mount version. Did I mention they use tubes? Oh yeah! Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playntheblues Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 Marvel, NOW THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! Way cool, I will call them today and get some prices. Manleys valve mixer is WAY exspensive, it's like $9,400.00. Thanks Marvel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Just buy a simple Mackie powered mixer and be done with it. Clean sound, simple to use.. right up your alley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playntheblues Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 "simple to use right up your alley" ?? What the hell? Ah, well, um, cool it will be easier than finding the standard deviation of a multi asset portfolio then. In all seriousness simple is fine actually preferable but unless I at least check out these other alternaties I will always be wondering, what if? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 The TL Audio stuff is also pricey, but maybe not quite as high as the Manley gear. The 56 input VTC runs about 10,000 pounds (made in England). Still a lot of U.S. dollars. But they make smaller units too. I've written for prices, but haven't heard back yet. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 only need 4 imputs, 3 for mics and one stereo, so 4 channels or so into 2 so to speak. i'd say That is not TL territory ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playntheblues Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 I may just buy a Behringer or a yamaha and wait for a vintage tube mixer to come up for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 i don't know why you have this Tube fixation .....[8-)].... as you asked ...the Vintage Tube units SUCK ...!!!!!!!!!! they are ALL basically Guitar amps with more channels, be it Fender, Traynor, Marshall.....( what kinda PA sound would you expect from Jim Marshall ), Plush , Sunn, Earth, Standel, Vox.... i think thats all the companies that made one .... No.. ! forgot Orange, 'n Hiwatt ....... i'd look for an old EV board, myself ...they never break ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 forgot another ... West ......, Grand Funk Railroad used West amps... they made a 6 channel lotsa knobs one too .. oooh ...yea ....Selmer made a 4 input mother .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 you can't get any volume outta them ... they just want to Feed Back ....[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 i should correct my previous post ... the Standel one was SS .... but they still SUKKED ....!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playntheblues Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 I do appreciate your help and opinons. I have no fixation with a tube mixer, I just thought with 104 db eff. speakers I might be able to get away with a tube mixer. And I thought it would be a fun journey. I had very good results with the teac tri path amp on my k-horns and I know the Behringer stuff is Class D, probably Yamaha and rest of them now as well. I will probably get one of those and continue looking around. What you say makes a lot of sense but lightin up a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playntheblues Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 Marvel, thanks the 8/2 valve mixer would be perfect. If they write back to you let me know how much it is. I bet the price is out of sight though, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 i don't want you to buy one .... it's gonna be a huge dissapointment .... chances are you won't be able to hear any of your vocals, due to the tendency to feedback given the hi-eff, and the horn most of these , couldn't be turned over 2 or 3 on the dial, and that was with crappy 8" eminece columns at prob. 85 db eff ... the 'Scala's are gonna make feedback , a Real, Severe problem ... you don't need high gain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playntheblues Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 Got it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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