CAS Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 These look like fairly comperable products with a few electronic exceptions, and the fact that the JL costs more than twice as much. I'm eager to hear what the Ultra-13 driver sounds like as its TV-12 predecessor was a tank itself. The rosenut finish with curved metal grill looks awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 Uh oh, looks like censorship software has been employed for some SVS model names [:#] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 this censorship is too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Comparable yet little in common. Comparable in driver size,probably quality of the driver and cabinet.... The Fathom line is sealed the Ultra is ported. The SVS used BASH amp does not compare too well to the powerhouse you have in the JL. The BASH amp SVS uses is alot cheaper than the JL Audio amp/controller found in the Fathom. I would bet the JL Audio drivers moves more air,being sealed still loses in SPL due to its sealed nature,the SVS is ported. In any case a great sub for those looking for very high performance and not pay a fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Uh oh, looks like censorship software has been employed for some SVS model names [:#] SVS Ultra ....censorship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I would bet the JL Audio drivers moves more air,being sealed still loses in SPL due to its sealed nature,the SVS is ported. uhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS Posted June 17, 2007 Author Share Posted June 17, 2007 I would bet the JL Audio drivers moves more air,being sealed still loses in SPL due to its sealed nature,the SVS is ported. Driver move more air?...maybe a little. Output?...maybe not. Based on JL's own output measurements and taking into consideration the SVS encosure's increased size and ported nature my money would be on the SVS, granted it doesn't look like it'd be much. About the amp, I don't see huge differences. Both digital switching amps around 1 kw, both eq'd and both designed/created for the specific parameters of their respective subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 uhhhhhhh Alot to say I see....uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhh uahhhhhhhhhh splat.... Keep up the good work....uhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Can't wait to read some comparisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 hmm which will move more air, a sealed or vented...... Since they are about the same in cone diameter and the xmax I would give to the jl but put it this way the vented has both ways of air movement rather then the sealed jl... the uhhh was being polite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivadselim Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 If SPL and bottom-feeder, slurping black-hole HT effects are all you care about, the SVS will probably outgun the JL. But almost certainly the JL will have more finesse than the SVS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 And my TC Sounds subs will outgun both subs in SPL and extension....[] Uhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhh BURP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS Posted June 18, 2007 Author Share Posted June 18, 2007 If SPL and bottom-feeder, slurping black-hole HT effects are all you care about, the SVS will probably outgun the JL. But almost certainly the JL will have more finesse than the SVS. That's a bit of a carried-over "what can we still say now to make ours look better" statement. Have you heard a TV-12 or brand new Ultra-13? JL by any means isn't the top of the line in SQ and SVS isn't the bottom. I know you're a "MUSIC" guy, but to bash like the above especially with the high-quality driver in question sounds like sour grapes [] Finesse? If sealed is your taste the Ultra-13 is designed for that, too with the included plugs. Slap the 7-year old W7 in a sealed box with pretty lights, mark up the price and call it finesse? If you want to I guess. Sorry, I'm not trying to sell either one and I apologize for the slight bash, just a reaction; it just seems like whatever product SVS comes out with some people will always have negative things to say. It's the Pepsi/sub challenge; put them side by side with a blindfold on and I bet you a paycheck you'd have to eat your words. [:^)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Honestly, I would love to hear either, I have heard the TV-12 ( dual CS-Ultra's powered by Bryston 4b amp ) and loved them. They redefined "subwoofer" in my book, as they had more headroom than anything I had experienced to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivadselim Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 That's a bit of a carried-over "what can we still say now to make ours look better" statement ...........sounds like sour grapes it just seems like whatever product SVS comes out with some people will always have negative things to say. I don't have either brand, JL or SVS. I have an RSW15. So what could I possibly have "sour grapes" about? Maybe that I have neither. [] If anything, you're the one who sounds a bit "sour" about all the attention the JL gets, and obviously biased toward the SVS product; any SVS product. [] You've not heard it yet, or read any reviews, yet you're certain it will best the JL. I didn't consider that to be a bash of the SVS product. I simply think the JL will have more finesse than the SVS. Sometimes finesse isn't necessarily what you want. A defensive lineman and a wide receiver can both be stellar athletes, but they both serve a different purpose. (yes, I realize this is not the best analogy.) We'll have to wait until the dust settles and see what the reviews say when the "13" becomes available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 That's a bit of a carried-over "what can we still say now to make ours look better" statement ...........sounds like sour grapes it just seems like whatever product SVS comes out with some people will always have negative things to say. I don't have either brand, JL or SVS. I have an RSW15. So what could I possibly have "sour grapes" about? Maybe that I have neither. [] If anything, you're the one who sounds a bit "sour" about all the attention the JL gets, and obviously biased toward the SVS product; any SVS product. [] You've not heard it yet, or read any reviews, yet you're certain it will best the JL. I didn't consider that to be a bash of the SVS product. I simply think the JL will have more finesse than the SVS. Sometimes finesse isn't necessarily what you want. A defensive lineman and a wide receiver can both be stellar athletes, but they both serve a different purpose. (yes, I realize this is not the best analogy.) We'll have to wait until the dust settles and see what the reviews say when the "13" becomes available. LOL CAS is a bit partial to SVS... [] Me I could care less,I get what I want to to the job,and now building better subs than JL or SVS for massive output down deep. When you start using 15 and 18" ubber drivers you forget about less capable subs. [] Not dual f113 are not capable...just as a few members here who own them and Roc... [] Can tell you they kick major woofer. In other news... ... By the end of this year I will have ALL the TC Sounds dually subs...from TC-1000,2000,3000,5200 to the LMS-5400. TheEAR takes no prisoners. And I will also add another f112 and get dual f110's. HA POWAH all in a tiny...600cu ft by then room....the more I add the more it shrinks... Nobody has the subsonic concentration I have and when I am done I will by far have the most subsonic capabvility on this planet...per cubic inch in a room! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 what about the 5800, oops I wasn't supposed to talk about that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 what about the 5800, oops I wasn't supposed to talk about that one. Ah ha...LMS-5800... Longer Xmax ? Higher BL? NEO motor ? I think same basket ...no reason to change it... I would like to see a $1500 super driver from TC SOunds... Now I am going to order the TC-5200 and LMS-5400 18" woofers.Should keep me safe from sub bass starvation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 full neo magnet..... btw you will see alot of change in tcsounds soon, separation of car audio subs and home theater subwoofers. probably a name change too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 theear, remember when i showed you the huge neomagnets before think something like that for the lms5800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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