Where to place rear surround?

[SPORTS96]

Here are a couple of pictures of what i am talking about. As you can see the rear speakers are not in the ideal spot.

The speakers that I am looking at getting are the Klipsch RS-52's. Do they make a wall mount for hanging the speaker

on that swivels. That way at least I could swivel the speaker to the living room instead of inbetween the living room and

the breakfast area. Do you think that the placement of the rear speakers will sound ok in this placement. They will also

be placed close to the ceiling as you can see in the picture. If you look close you can see the plate on the wall. Any

suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[SPORTS96]

Here is another picture of the whole room.

Thanks

[IndyKlipschFan]

the 52's are awesome surrounds...

Help us out here....to help you?

Is this for a 5.1 or 7.1 system?

What are your other speakers...amp etc., etc.?

The placement is different on the 5.1 vs 7.1 issue, sothat is why I asked BTW.

There are mounts you can buy.. again it is a 13 inch speaker.. so not small, but you also get HUGE sound..

PS Congrats! The house so far, looks awesome!

[SPORTS96]

This is for a 5.1 system.

Mains RF-82 Klipsch

Center RC-62 Klipsch

Surround RS-52 Klipsch

Sub RW-12D Klipsch

Receiver Denon AVR 2307

Where can you get the mounts?

Thanks

[mas]

With regards to the rear speakers, you will pardon me for not being intimate with the model, but you would want to place both of them in the corner, as this is the limiting spot as defined by the LL as shown in the drawing. This will result in the room gain being equal for both of them and thus retaining the sonic character. I would then suggest adjusting for the slight offset in distance/time due to their offset be adjusted accordingly in the setup menu of your receiver.

OK, .....except that I now note after reviewing the pictures (as opposed to just the drawing) that when suspended there is no LL 'corner'.

The result may be a slight difference in their apparent frequency response, but as the material mixed into the surrounds is not really critical in this respect, you should be just fine.

One way that you can mitigate this situation just a bit would be to mount the surrounds on a bracket attached to the walls very near the ceiling pointing at the seating position, very similar to what I first posted - albeit without a rear wall surface at the LL position. In this respect the LR speaker would benefit from the placement and it would more nearly 'balance' the tonal response due to additional 'room gain' as a result of the additional adjoining surface more than a 'free field' mount would provide. Additionally, your hearing is not very sensitive to vertical variations,and with an onb axis orientation, any effects should be very minimal. You should be just fine. Enjoy!

Of course, you could build a sort of false corner by extending a section of the half wall/divider on the back/kitchen wall....just kidding!!!![]

[IndyKlipschFan]

OK, I think I am with MAS here... It looks like you already have a outlet for your speaker wire... on the post wall up high.. You cant really have one free standing hanging down with it being 13" tall and more then that with a mount too.... ( If you had a wall at the bottom of the stairs... this would be a no brainer... use that wall... as close to the seats horizontally as you can. But you do not.. I would not change it as well.. it looks great being all open! )

So your actually at a compromise here.

[IndyKlipschFan]

I re drew it for you... remember the RS speakers have ports on the sides...AND fire left n right.. Your gonna need that wall, otherwise your going to fire sound upstairs to the left of that Rear Left surround speaker.. (not good)

So looks like it will have to hang down into the kitchen area just a tad... so that you can get that bounce back into yout ht area.. Some people like the surrounds slightly behind you so when a crowd roars they are beside to behind you...

I have heard it horizontal to 20 degrees behind the main sitting area..and that is the spec.... with sprayed speakers... It does sound great. Your just not in a position to do that... unless when you go down your stairs... You want to see the back of a surround speaker and speaker wires. (WAF not too high here)

I hope this makes sense..

Roger..

[SPORTS96]

Is this what you are saying. Hang the speaker down from the ceiling. Above the stairs?

[IndyKlipschFan]

That is where it should go, if you also had a rear wall... You do not.. But still a ok, but not optimal placement. Why? Because the rear firing of this unit will just fill in the room behind you.. Which is not all bad too you will get some sound those back in the kitchen. LOL

What I was suggestiong is firing it into your room so facing your tv...close to the two back walls... WHY? This uses your side walls to bounce off of and also fills in the space behind you as well. it is not ideal it is also not to spec.. but I have heard it this way and it is not bad...

Klipsch also makes inwall ceiling speakers with a movable (to a point) tweeter. you "could" go this route and have great placement and aim the tweeters down to your seating position and be in that horizontal to 20*(degrees behind your seating position) on your couch and have a better WAF. (Wife Approval factor) It will not rival the surrounds you chose.. I just wish I had a better solution for you. .

[IndyKlipschFan]

here..

The arrow is showing where the sound might perhaps bounce off of this wall too...and back into your room..

The other direction will be to your seating position..

[IndyKlipschFan]

Again, the Klipsch ceiling speakers do not suck at all.... in fact, they are very nice..... AND your best WAF too...

Look here.. You can swivil the woofer AND tweeter where you need it to go.. Your early enough to do it construction wise and get your wires up there... SO, do it now..LOL

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Idealy, you have a rectangle room with 4 walls all around. Wide enough up front... but also deeper going front to back.. there are some ratios you can use.. but unless you designed it up front with those... you improvise and go from there... Good sound treatment, and properly placed equipment and a wonderful video source= success.

So we improvise.

Put them even with your seating position or 20* behind you....and be happy!

So you have 3 choices here...I guess... LOL

[IndyKlipschFan]

so your thoughts?

[SPORTS96]

I think I might leave it where it is and buy some mounts that swivel and try that.

If I dont like the way that sounds then I might try the ceiling speakers.

Thanks for all the imput.

[jamesV]

To answer your question about mounts try this one, http://www.omnimount.com/OmniTest/newpro/product.aspx?ProductId=d0ed2f20-fa15-461c-817a-766db3c9d997&CurrentId=1.1.1.1. I have the one rated for 30 lbs. for my RS-62. I know they can be a little expensive but they are very well made and I haven't had any problem since installing them.

James,

BTW great setup you have, when is everything going to be ready for the first movie?