TheSoundBroker Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 On the way. Newly minted insanity sub. Not a DIY project but from the mind of two of THE most respected and acknowledged sub designers out there. 115 db at 12 hz was the goal with a single box and it has been achieved. Passive so you can choose your own amp, but that is the better way to go anyways. For those who need a sub that will REALLY keep up with a big Heritage system. We have numerous good offboard pro amps available to drive the beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 how about some technical details and some photo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 how about some technical details and some photo's. Ditto and a link. jc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSoundBroker Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 Photos...can't do quite yet. Link will be up soon with images. Tech details...here are a few that can be released... Dimensions...24d" x 40" x 36". Weight is still being determined with crating, but probably in the 225 lb range raw. 15" stupidly overbuilt active driver, 18" tuned passive in a bandpass enclosure. Frequency response +/-3 db 12 hz to 60hz. This is without room gain and no EQ.-3db to 10hz should be doable with room gain. Recommended power: TBD. 1 kilowatt is safe so far, but 1.5x this should be good. You'll need an amp with a stiff enough PS to not sag at extreme LF frequencies. Time on this one is about 2-3 weeks out, As more details can be released, they will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 TheSoundBroker How about some SPL sensitivity ratings. Looks like your Sub won't make THX standards if it can't get to 80hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 So a bandpass subwoofer. You still have my attention. Will await more details and link. jc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Sounds like a TC Sounds contraption, or I think they're Audio Pulsenow? There's supposed to be a Home Audio division or something comingout:http://www.tcsounds.com/ The high frequency limit is likely the result of inductance onthe VC...and not a bandpass enclosure (but I could always be wrong). 115dB at 12Hz would require about 60mm of excursion from an 18"passive radiator! That's nearly 5" P-P! [] The 15" active would needto be doing about 4" P-P... I would be extremely interested in some comparisons of performancebetween this and the Danley DTS-20...mainly in regards to the clarityof output in the 30-60Hz region. I wonder how it'd compare to the Klipsch 884 that can do 125dB at 18Hz (in 1/8 space versus the 1/2 space in the link):http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/kpt-884.aspx(which I think comes to about 116dB at 11Hz in 1/8 space). I would expect a lot less distortion from the passive radiators... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkytype Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Why stop at 12 Hz? How 'bout 115dB at 1 Hz??? Can ya say involuntary encopresis? I knew ya could.--F. Rogers http://www.eminent-tech.com/main.html http://bassment.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/eminent.pdf And if you act now---a free slice and dice attachment. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 are you thinking anechoic or with room gain on those p-p measurement theories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 1/8 space because I was assuming the specs were quoted 1/8 space performance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 The Klipsch sub is rated at 27Hz, 10db down at 18Hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 The Klipsch sub is rated at 27Hz, 10db down at 18Hz. In half-space...everyone always leaves that one out. The cab is tuned to 18Hz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 On the way. Newly minted insanity sub. Not a DIY project but from the mind of two of THE most respected and acknowledged sub designers out there. 115 db at 12 hz was the goal with a single box and it has been achieved. Passive so you can choose your own amp, but that is the better way to go anyways. For those who need a sub that will REALLY keep up with a big Heritage system. We have numerous good offboard pro amps available to drive the beast. 50 hertz is the usual cutoff for tcsounds subwoofers before they start intermodial distortion etc when you mention two of the most respected my thoughts goto ron and tom from svs. byt they are not 15 inch woofer guys even though they just made a 13. Tcsounds is headed by Thilo and Deon does not work there anymore Adire = no more ascendant audio? John Strike? The only Strike or TC Sounds used pr though. SVS did have passive amps tough.... Hmm I wonder who made this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSoundBroker Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 Nope. Not going to make THX standards and not intended to. This sub is ideal for those who have mains that are a bit more full range, such as Cornwalls, La Scalas, K-Horns, RF083's, RF-7's, etc and want something to extend the frequency response down really really deep. There are also a number of good midbass subs that could be integrated in with a system to extend the response range up higher (JTR Growler or the Danley Mini come to mind) for those running smaller mains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSoundBroker Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 Yeah, the ET sub is awesome. Ought to be for well over 10X the price! I suspect for most folks, this sub may end up being...um..."adequate". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSoundBroker Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 Nope. Not TC/Audio Pulse. Heck, their big drivers cost more than this bloody sub will! LMS-Ultra is an awesome woofer but man they are bloody expensive! As for comparison to the DTS-20...how convenient I just happen to have a DTS-20 here to compare it to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 SoundBroker, Yeah yeah another contender. Get two Epik or ED largest subs,you are around a mere $4000 and will hit HUGE output(above 120dB)even below 20Hz. Look at the Shacksters where a known forum member and tester has tested the 18" TC Sounds LMS-5400 with dual 18" TC Sounds PR's ,and tests them OUTSIDE. Your setup wont do any better. As the mighty LMS-5400 is THE defacto driver for super subs.Two such cabinets buldoze anything including the Danley down very deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSoundBroker Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 This is designed to be the next step up beyond the ED or the Epik. As for the LMS-5400...yes, it is an insane driver for super subs. It is also $2000 a piece just for the driver in the current company itineration and it is arguable whether two of them will "bulldoze" this sub down deep. Remember, with 2, that is $4K and you still need to build a cabinet. With these, you get the cabinets. If folks want to DIY, I'm all for it. But remember, there are a LOT of guys out there who never will build a sub. They either haven't the time, resources, tools or comfort level to DIY. That is why I started this project. I wanted something that had more output and lower distortion than the ED or Epik and was tailored to fit behind a typical screen wall...and I wanted it to come in around $2K. It needed to come from guys with serious credentials that couldn't be argued with. I believe it has succeeded. That is not to say, I won't try a version with the TC Sounds drivers in them just to see how insane things can get, but guaranteed it won't cost $2K. As for the Danley, it may no longer be the ultimate king of low bass output or extension...but it is still the defacto reference for bass QUALITY. Nothing so far has bested it and it is still one of the ultimate subs. Remember, even compared to the twin LMS-5400's, there is always something bigger, badder and more hellacious. As of now, for those who seek the absolute ultimate, no arguement, most output, make you die from bass sub, Danley does have the Matterhorn. If somebody has the budget, space and lack of brains to buy one, It does 105 db at 15 hz at 250 METERS...outdoors. Hook it to a room and it would likely damage the structure from the pressure output. I am a Danley dealer if you want to order one. It even comes in it's own shipping container...heck it is built into one. You can' t argue that it is the only sub out there that can be shipped over and over without having to worry about packing it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Found your website. Is the sub you are mentioning on that site? Danley does have the Matterhorn I've heard this name before...can't remember what it is. You have a link for this? EDIT: I found it. If somebody has the budget, space and lack of brains to buy one, That very well could be me. jc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 http://www.acoupower.com/products.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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