The Matching Mole Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 My Cornwalls are currently wired with DNM Reson single-core copper wires. I also have DNM Reson speaker cable that goes straight to the crossovers from my amps. I currently have the urge to replace this wire, as I have ground a bit tired of the DNM's very laid back sound. I have replaced DNM Reson interconnects with Zu Oxyfuels and am quite happy with the improvement. I've been considering some Anti-Cable speaker wire for amp to crossover, but what about the internal wiring? What are you folks using? Silver or copper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 mine is just stock. interesting idea, though to roll flavors through. are the zu's silver? What''s your take on the difference in sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Wouldn't it just be easier to add inductors and/or capacitors to vary the reactance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Do people pull out wiring and do crazy stuff to McIntosh Pre/ and their Amps too? I wonder sometimes at what point do you not make it a Klipsch voiced speaker sound anymore? Just a thought? I know people change tubes... But a lot of people get speakers and immediately change this and change that? Or read something on the net and feel obligated to do so? Even before they really listen to what they have for some time? Just a thought, not knocking your changes efhjr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Do people pull out wiring and do crazy stuff to McIntosh Pre/ and their Amps too? It is simply an easy tweek that most are not too intimidated to try... The problem I have is that it is a solution in search of a problem, instead of identifying an quantifying a real problem and then developing a verifiable method to address it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Matching Mole Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 The Zu Oxyfuels are copper (you can get the details here: http://www.zuaudio.com/oxyfuel.asp). I found them more open than the DNMs, with better resolution and tighter highs and lows. I've been buying them from Zu off of eBay for about $40 a pair, and that's a price that can't be beat. And their connectors work very well with my Juicymusic components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Mas, do you agree most of this is true then? The trend towards horrible sounding, cheaply madeaudio equipment has virtually displaced quality sound. Today, mostsystems use thin plastic speaker cabinets, with cheap drivers. Most ofthese systems channel all mid bass to a small five inch Chinese driverthat creates more distortion than music. All of this is underpowered bycheap electronics that creates screechy sounding highs and distortedmid bass while leaving off any bass what-so-ever. The greatest loudspeaker designer I know of ( Taken from the norh website here, not my thoughts.) isRichard Shahinian. What I believe and what I do, is based on what Ihave learned from him. I will never forget that he once showed mesomething that amazed me. Mr. Shahinian told me that the way to greatsound was by focusing on the midrange. He told me that he has tried foryears to produce the ultimate midrange but that no driver manufacturerwould work with him to achieve this goal. (Maybe he should of met ROY or worked for Klipsch?) He then showed me a driver that he had. He put thespeaker on a table, hooked up some leads and the sound was great. Eventhough there was no cabinet, the sound was musical. We all know howmost drivers sound when you hook up wires -- tinny and shrill. There are many challenges to creating great soundingaudio. All of us with portable music players know that two smalldrivers can sound wonderful. After all, that is all we have connectedto our players. We are listening to two small full range drivers -- nocrossovers. Why can't we just achieve the same thing with twoloudspeakers giving us the ability to move around without havingheadphones and being able to share music with others? The reason is that when we use earphones, we onlyhave to move a small amount of air. However, trying to fill a roomrequires us to move much more air. There is of course the issue of theroom itself but for now, we will just focus on the fact that it takesmuch more energy to move enough air to create the sound in a room thanto move enough ear with the drivers pressed directly to our ears. We all know that large woofers can move more air butthere are problems here. A large woofer is heavy so it takes a lot ofenergy and the more mass you have, the more in motion it tends to haveso it looses control. Also, the larger a driver is, the more pressureis put on the surface which of course creates more resistance. Thelarger are is also less rigid meaning that the driver tends to flex. A great loudspeaker moves air like a piston. Mostpeople assume surface vibrations create sound. What they do not realizeis that a driver should not have any surface vibrations and should actlike a piston. If this were not enough of a problem, the next bigproblem is to create full range sound. Many years ago, mostloudspeakers were three way loudspeakers. They had a woofer, tweeterand midrange. More modern loudspeakers use a combination of woofer andtweeter with the midrange filled in at the middle. No matter how goodthe crossover is, the point where the sound comes together is notseamless. First of all, there is a shift between current and voltagecaused by the crossover components. Then you have to deal with thedistance of the tweeter and woofer from one another. If this were notenough, a tweeter is generally more efficient than the woofer so thetweeter output has to be reduced to match the woofer. Many audio companies talk about crossovers as ifthey somehow do something magical and improve the sound of the drivers.The reality is that all crossover harm the music but a well designedcrossover does minimal damage. If you get deep into audiophileliterature, you will read how a capacitor made from one material willimprove the sound over a capacitor made from a different material. Thetruth is that the better capacitor does less damage. Most of this makes sense to me Mas.. The problem is exactly what you said, "To develop a verifiable method to address it." There is so much snake oil out there, it takes a lot of real learning and some knowledge of the application at hand to know what to do. BTW, I am not 100% inept. My light inside the Amp I have (The Sunfire 200 x 7 ) went out. Rather than send it back, I called Sunfire they sent me some bulbs. I opened it up, got out the soldering iron, and replaced the defective bulb. Closed it back up and it now works. So see, I am not hopeless. LOL Saved me who knows what in time and cost of something that took me all of maybe 20 min tops. (I know, it would have taken you 5..LOL) My dad and I did a lot of electronics stuff as a kid with ham radio and some kit electronics stuff for kids. Anyhow, your thoughts? I recognise you and shawn (sfogg) can do circles knowledge wise around me and most of the people on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IB Slammin Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 My Cornwalls are currently wired with DNM Reson single-core copper wires. I also have DNM Reson speaker cable that goes straight to the crossovers from my amps. I currently have the urge to replace this wire, as I have ground a bit tired of the DNM's very laid back sound. I have replaced DNM Reson interconnects with Zu Oxyfuels and am quite happy with the improvement. I've been considering some Anti-Cable speaker wire for amp to crossover, but what about the internal wiring? What are you folks using? Silver or copper? efhjr, I guess that I have done my share of Cornwall mods, wire from network to drivers included. My conclusion was that I could use a coat-hanger, and my ear wouldn't hear a difference. Some/many might disagree. tc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 IB..Did you use the la scala's top mid and tweet with the cornwall bottom? I want to try that this summer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IB Slammin Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 IB..Did you use the la scala's top mid and tweet with the cornwall bottom? I want to try that this summer... Yes sir. Tryed the .......K400/K55/K77......511b/K55/K77.....511b/902/K77.....511b/902/CT125......before settling in with.....511b/902/2404. All bested the K600/K55 Have fun this summer! tc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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