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I checked out the Wilson Audio website and closely reviewed the products. Obvisously a man possessed. Some interesting looking speakers. The thing that struck me the most was the weight of the speakers. A 700 Lb. sub-woofer! The X1s were 1200 Lbs. a pair. That may make a difference to some people, but I really don't want to own a 700 Lb. sub-woofer, or 1200 Lb. speakers. I also don't want a cherry red laquer job on my audio equipment. Maybe on my truck! For the money, I'll keep the Klipsch, and the house I keep them in.

Impressive discussion to say the least. However, the low quantity of sales and high R&D spend force the given pricing more than the processes and materials used. Has anyone ever heard the characteristics of any Wilson's? I'd be interested to hear them to try and decide how much they are really worth. If anyone knows where the public can go to hear a pair, let me know. Thanks

It sounds like you are doing fine. 4 watts is nowhere near 70%. You must know that already. Those RFs will handle way more. Sounds like you discovered the Klipsch efficiency advantage. Remember, 10 times the sound power doubles the volume. So 40 watts would be twice as loud as it is now with 4 watts. The important thing is when they are first turned on, they should be "warmed up" for a few minutes at a lower volume before knocking the pictures off the wall. Play em and don't worry. You will probably encounter ear pain before you even come close to hurting the RFs.

Thanks for the reply. The Classic 50/50 is just an amp. You still need a preamp, so you can use your existing preamp from your home audio system. That was why I thought it was a good idea. I can use everything I have now, just send the pre-out into it. It does not look like a musical instrument amp either. It looks like a piece of home audio equipment in some respects. But I think I understand that it will have its stong and weak points regarding sound quality. Maybe not the best idea. Oh well. Thanks

Thanks for the info. The bass comment surprised me a little. The freq. resp. is 40-20K. I was wondering if someone would say the 50/50 lacked bass because of the response spec or because it was a guitar amp. How low can we really hear anyhow? Anyone know? I agree it probably wouldn't sound anywhere near a home audiophile tube amp. for $450 when new. I'm glad to get a few comments. Thanks

Folks, Can anyone comment on the Peavey Classic 50/50 tube amp? I believe it may be a guitar amp. However, I was told by a "wiseman" that this is an inexpensive way to get into tubes (around $450.00 new), is rack mounted, and an excellent performer in a home stereo application using Klipsch speakers. He said he had one, and also has other tube amps. He owns an electronics store, and is also a musician. He deals in and repairs audio equipment. He swears by this particular unit. I know he knows his stuff. But has anyone heard this unit? Does what I say above sound correct? Comments? Obvisously I have been searching for a tube solution, and can not afford an amp in the thousands. Does anyone use musical instrument amplifiers? Thanks

Guys, Thanks for the info. I expected to hear several folks using some nice EQs out there. Personally, I like having one. Over the years it has been an asset, and is just plain fun to play with. I also agree about not over driving. The whole key to EQing. The DBX 14/10 sounds like something I'd be interestd in. Awesome unit!! And by the way sirJaylord, nice representation of yourself! Thanks guys

Guys, Is anyone out there using equalizers anymore with your Klipsch? Ever since I got into Klipsch, (and all my friends too), I used an equalizer. Now I have this old soundcraftsman with dirty contacts, older than the hills. It still can improve the sound somewhat. What are some of your comments on using equaizers with Las and corns? If recommended, what are some good ones in the $200 - $400 range? Thanks

Thanks everyone for all the good info and different perspectives on splicing. I am an electrical type myself, and so I am pretty anal retentive about making sound connections and keeping things in phase. I was a little surprised about the wire lengths not needing to be the same. I don't know where I got that from, but since I was a kid I always tried to cut them exactly the same. I worked for a cable TV company when I was younger and was always consciuous of the loss of lower frequencies over distance relative to the higher frequencies. We would "tilt" the spectrum when we balanced the amps to compensate for this. Albeit, that was modulated signals up in the Mhz. and much longer runs. Oh well I think this one is closed. Thanks again.

OK, Here is a picture experiment. I really knocked down the res. The corns are '73 as you identifed. The Las are '90s. Thanks

Hey, Thanks for identifying my corns as '73s. I took a picture and it failed to post due to a script time out. I live in Athens, Ga. and have a piss poor dial up connection here at home. But I will work on it and try to get a compacted version of the picture up here sometime tonight. Admittedly, the corns are a little rough. Actually, probably not bad for 30 years old. But they still sound fine (if you turn off the LaScalas they are sitting on) (also in the picture). You probably understand this coment from everything previous. I think I just got fixated on the corn sound since I've had them for so long, then just got the Las about a month ago. Pulled off one of those drive deals up to Roanoke, Va. 13 hours to add Las to the corns. I'll work on the picture thing. Thanks again.

Gil, This is all great info. This weekend I will try isolating the issue and report back on what I come up with. By the way, the corns say C-DB-15, serials 3L960 / 3L961. Any idea what year these are? As I stated earlier they are the vert model. So I know they are pretty old. From everything you described, I am betting that nothing is wrong. They are just being out performed by the Las. Both sound exactly the same. Not likely a matched degradation or failure as you mentioned. But it will be fun determining what's up and doing a fair comparison on the components. Thanks again.

Thanks for the info. Of course now you've generated another question. I see lots of "diaphram" replacement discussion. What other parts can fail and / or are replaceable on the tweeter and squawker. One thing I feel confident of is the woofers are performing very well. Last question: Can crossovers cause degraded performance or do they typically quit? Thanks again.

Lots of good answers provided. However, I have the same style cornwalls as you. Mine have the vertical horns. I had the same problem of protecting the woofers. I went to a speaker store near my house and purchased subwoofer grills made for 15" woofers. They are rubber around the edge and are thin metal with lots of holes. They came with a nice matte black finish. The hardware was included and consisted of (for a single speaker) 4 plastic retaining clips that used wood screws to anchor them and thus the grills to the face of the corns. Excellent. I did this probably 10 years ago, and they still look great and have protected the corns perfectly. Total cost was around $30.00. Hope this helps.

In my last post on wire splicing I mentioned the difference in top end between my Las and Corns. The Las are from 1990, the Corns, much older vertical horns (don't have serials / at work). Anyone know the range of years when the verts were made? Anyhow, the Corn tweeters definitely work. Both sound about the same. But they underperform by a wide margin when compared to the Las. Can there be such thing as "worn" tweeters? Could the crossovers be damaged? I have to say I thought everything was decent (not great becasue they are old), until I recently got the Las. There's probably nothing wrong, but would it hurt to replace the diaphrams? Would that improve the sound any? Can that be done in the squawkers as well? Anyone know if it's routine that this needs to be done on these models after so long? How much???? Sorry with all the questions, but I saw the comment that one person thought his corns top end sounded better than Las. Not even close at my house. So I'm a little concerned. Thanks for any info provided.

Fellas, I have another wire question. I read the Indy stuff and didn't see anything on splicing. I know it is probably taboo. However, I have a pair of Cornwalls and a pair of LaScalas (speaker a/b, 2 Ch system). I have them about 75 ft. from the amp. I use 12ga. monster cable for both pairs but had to splice both sets of speaker wires (all 4) to make the distance. I made sure each of the 4 speakers has exactly the same lengths of wires and spliced the monster cable with large wire nuts and used electrical tape to provide some strain relief. Question: Is this setup better than just using some non-spliced runs of cheaper cable, say 16ga.? Question: In the scenario above, how much of a difference can you guess there would be if there were no splices using same 12 ga. monster? Question: In the scenario above, what frequencies suffer most because of the splicing? (This is what is most important to me) What I hear is this. Cornwalls have the good base but the lack the mid and top end of the LaScalas. The LaScalas lack the base of the cornwalls in the room. Granted, I'm not using much volume because it's a basement and gets harsh. I plan to take the LaScalas outdoors for the 4th and let them loose to see if the base is better outdoors at a distance. What I hear I think is correct for cornwalls and LaScalas, and agrees with the frequency response charts Klipsch provides. But what effect does the spcing have? Anyhow, I appreciate any insite into the splicing issue. Thanks

I am also a many show deadhead (and a professional) and agree that a few years back folks did hide their love for the dead from employers and others due to the drug stereotype. That's subsided alot since the whole dead thing has cooled down. However, I also found that the stereotype worked in reverse for some of the high performing employees in places I've worked. Some employees never lost any credability for being deadheads because their performance at work far exceeded that of everyone else, and their employers new it. Anyhow, the whole reason for discussing the dead here is that I've found the Heritage series over the years (especially the cornwall in a room) helps to replicate the true live dead sound better than any other speakers I've heard. I've owned various pairs of Klipsch over the last 20 years to try and get that "dead" sound just right. Traded and traded, and purchased. It finally clicked when I mixed some old vert horn cornwalls (maybe '76?) and '90 la scalas in my basement. Now I have a very respectable emulation. Anyhow, everyone listens to different stuff. I always liked going to hear someone else's system and their music. That's what it's always been about. I know I will pass my Klipsch equipment to my kids eventually because I probably won't ever sell it. It is interesting to think of what might come out of them someday well beyond what we all consider "music" today.

I saw a pair of K-Horns on E-Bay that say K-400 metal. Does anyone know what that means? Is $2500 a fair price for a pair in really nice shape (1985)? Thanks

1990 LS FB TG in mint condition, all original, with original packing and manuals. What do you suppose they are worth? What would someone expect to pay for such a pair? What do they go for new from Klipsch? Thanks again

I am interested in some La Scalas marked LS FB TG. They are black with grills. What do the model letters indicate? Also, they are serialized quite far apart from one another and the start and end dates on the labels are about 4 days apart on the start dates, and 6 days apart on the finish dates. The owner bought them in 1990 and has all the original packing and written material indicating they were a matched pair when purchased new. Can anyone provide any info as to if this all sounds correct or usual? Thanks