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ha! the first modification has been completed. Since I run about 120 feet of cabling (total for all 4 speakers) I changed from 18 gauge lamp wire to 12 gauge heavier cable. I also changed cheapo connectors (wires from the CD player to the amp, etc.) to heavy gauge. Big Big improvement in low end and overall power without even touching the speaker innards. Put on Ricki Lee Jones' 'Pop Pop!' and listened to the delicious plucky thump of acoustic bass. ahhhh... Forrest ---------------- On 7/22/2003 12:14:15 AM IndyKlipschFan wrote: Ok first things first. 1.) Do not modify anything unless you want to change it to sound like "Something else." By this, I mean, if they sound great now... do not attempt to change/ color the sound with ropes, caulking etc., etc.. Some people hear feel the cornwall belle la scala and k horn with metal horns ring in the midrange. If you do not.. Do not caulk it.. ----------------

It looks as if Spiderman is an afficianado of internal Kung Fu. Parts of this animation are straight from Yang style Taiji Chaun (24 and 48 forms). I've been practicing Taiji for many many years. Forrest ---------------- On 7/30/2003 12:31:20 PM m00n wrote: What the hell is this? I think he has been hiding his true self to us all these years... BTW... It's an animated gif. So if you don't see any animation you are missing out. http://www.masonpud3.org/temp/spiderman.gif ----------------

For the thoroughly confused, and totally ignorant (me!) what is DAC? Also, I've heard about HDCD players... is the hype true? thanks in advance for the info, forrest ---------------- On 7/30/2003 7:43:56 PM prodj101 wrote: playback on multidisc players is inferior to that of single disc players, which are stil widely availbe. you DO get what you pay for. unless you are planning on using an outboard DAC the quality of the one in your cd player makes all the difference. ----------------

Man, I'm so glad they are gone... I was about to spend money I did NOT have. ---------------- On 7/27/2003 3:09:40 PM 3dzapper wrote: They are in Michigan. Three black Cornwalls from a screening room. No pics. Buy it now only $700 for all three. The same party has 4 commercial La Scalas for $350 ea. ----------------

To preface my remarks, I'm a pianist/guitarist/singer with a degree in music performance. I think musical aptitude is inherited, but aptitude is only that, and if not acted upon, will result in nothing. Bach's father was a very competent musician, as was Mozart's father (to name just a couple of famous musicians). There are many more such examples. And then there's the Del McCory Band... woo hoo! .... Woody Guthrie, Arlo Guthrie, Loudon Wainwright III and his son Rufus Nat King Cole and Natale Cole Elvis and Lisa Marie and those are just the famous ones. My father's family has nary a musician of any ability among them. My mother is a gifted pianist and singer. Until recently I never knew my mother's extended family (a long story involving my maternal grandmother being pissed off with her immediate family and vowing never to speak with them a LONG LONG time ago, before I was born), but while attending a family reunion I discovered among my cousins, great aunts and uncles, etc etc... 3 organists/choral directors, 2 composers, 4 bluegrass pickers, several more piano players, nearly everyone sang and could read music. In fact, I found out that they all liked to get together and play and sing for fun. My great great grandfather on my mother's side was a scottish fiddle player. did it start there? It was like finding my 'real' family. However, talent without practice will always result in a mediocrity. You can have it 'in' you, but if you don't let it out, it is the same as not having it at all. Exposure is also a factor. I think I like the styles of music I do because I was exposed to them first by my mother and later by my peers. In the same vein I believe appreciation for music is also due to exposure. So is appreciation for good music reproduction. Of course, nothing beats live, so all of the hi-fi quests are an attempt to place the musician right in your living room (or whatever your listening space is). I think some folks sit in a theater and don't give the sound a second thought, and many of them are content to blast car radios to the point of distortion and not notice the trash that assaults their ears. I sit there and hear phase shifting, lions roaring deep in the mix, echo, etc. I notice how music builds a scene, sets a mood, quotes a well known piece of music. When I play at church I can hear the slightest hum in the sound system and don't rest until it is gone. These forums are visited by folks who have an appreciation for sound, and that is musicianship in its own right. Whenever I've played in situation where I've had to hire an external sound man (for most gigs I was the sound man as well as the keyboard player) I always made sure to audition him/her because they could help us or hurt us. If the sound sucked, then there was no way we would sound decent. It was always *THAT* important. And, of course, the best sound systems always had smooth horns. While I don't know anything about Miles Davis' progeny, if any, I've heard plenty about Jenna and Barbara, W's spawn. Musicianship, in the volumes I've read about the first family and their many adventures, has never been mentioned. my $.02, Forrest ---------------- On 7/27/2003 10:30:54 PM prodj101 wrote: so? is it passed down? I mean would miles davis be more likely to father a musical genius than george bush? ----------------

---------------- On 7/31/2002 8:45:00 AM hifiguy wrote: 1. Refinishing of 19T072 and 19T073 (RB-WS) using a water base stripper and 400 steel wool CAREFULLY beginning. End result will either be a natural wood wiping stain .. or if not acceptable results - clad. ---------------- I'm really interested in how this turned out. I recently bought a pair of Cornwalls (1976 CDBR), and the finish is less than desirable. They had a bad stain job done (it isn't as bad as all of that, but I would be interested in how your refinish turned out, and how you went about it.) care to share?? Thanks, Forrest

ok.. you guys are nuts for these speakers. But having owned a pair for 3 weeks now, I'm beginning to understand why. Forrest

IndyKlipschFan, I'm taking this advice. I'm going to listen a bit more and see. Seems that the midrange *is* a bit aggressive, but it ain't bad by any stretch! Not bad at all, actually. I have to listen a bit more critically to see just *what* it is that I'm hearing. Plus, caulking can be easily undone *if* I decide to do it. I will NOT make any modifications that cannot be easily undone, excepting for perhaps the cabinet finish. Again, the room has a somewhat 'wet' acoustic, 1.5 secs, and it is a bit more on the mid-high frequency side than I would like if I could pick the dream acoustic. This tends to bring those mid horns out more. However, I don't want to, nor will I change the room. I'm fortunate to be able to play for and direct a very fine group of singers, and, having come from a building where the sound was pretty much dead, I wouldn't change a thing about this room. It really flatters live sound with it's liveliness. I know what you mean about restraint on effects. I've played and sung in a few ensembles in my time, and moderation is the key. One thing I *do* want to change is the finish on the speakers. I'm pretty sure they came in unfinished birch, and the previous owners didn't do a very good job with the staining. I would leave this to a professional, since I'm sure I would screw it up. Even if I decide not to change the color or re-veneer, I would definitely like it if they could be polished to a fine sheen. They have a prominent place in the room, and I want the visual appeal to match the sonic appeal. I finally got rid of the cat odor. I cannot believe that someone would let their cat do something like that (scratch the grills, pee on them, etc..). disgusting. thank goodness the woofer wasn't affected. I've done a few searches for veneering/refinishing/etc. on the forums. There's a wealth of information out there. The fellow over on the 2-channel forum, (I think) who redid those heresy cabinets in a reddish color... man... what beauties! I run the bass and treble knobs straight up (flat). no loudness, nothing. Any extra EQ i want from the keyboard is done with the keyboard parameters.I like the fact that I have a lot of headroom, but for the most part I'm into beautiful sound, not loud sound. (We do have a dance around Valentine's day every year, and a church member brings in a couple of high powered sub-woofers and an incredible homemade light show (you would not believe how good it is... lasers and all), and we definitely get loud then. I'm not worried about this though, since we've done it twice already with the Technics SB-5000 speakers and they came through unscathed. The Cornwalls/Heresys would eat those speakers for breakfast and not even burp!) so, to make a long answer even longer.. I'm going to go S-L-O-W-L-Y and not be too anxious to change anything, except the appearance. oh, I use an Alesis Quadraverb, pretty much just for a smooth vocal reverberation when I want to use a mic. Thanks for the advice, I'm having a lot of fun listening to these babies! Forrest ---------------- On 7/22/2003 12:14:15 AM IndyKlipschFan wrote: Ok first things first. 1.) Do not modify anything unless you want to change it to sound like "Something else." By this, I mean, if they sound great now... do not attempt to change/ color the sound with ropes, caulking etc., etc.. Some people hear feel the cornwall belle la scala and k horn with metal horns ring in the midrange. If you do not.. Do not caulk it.. 2) I agree a bad singer can only be made to sound worse most of the time with too much effects, or improper effects. Like any novice wrong use of delays by digital machines along with reverb too. (Yes, they are different as well.) Stay away from anything marked Echo...LOL 3.) I use the keep it simple stupid (KISS) process. I use a a simple Alesis Nanoverb. It is like 89 dollars, can change the settings in a snap.. Warm tones/ effects with minimal learning "upcurve" too. In a live situation all you need. Hope this helps. The 5k on up, lexicon units in a studio with lots of time are, of course, the state of the art stuff. In real life..on the fly... NOT very practicle. ----------------

I can believe that Hammond B3 story. They are truly classic instruments. One other concert I remember being truly a toe-tapper (and butt-wagger, etc) was BB King's 70th birthday bash in Nashville TN (was that 95'.. it was a haze). Etta James was there, and an old, frail lookin' black fellow was tearing up the B3. Too fine! It was the first time I had heard Etta James live. The player on Prarie Home Companion is able to do fine things with the B3 as well. (who????) I've got a lot of old vinyl, unfortunately most of it was treated horribly, and truthfully... listening to it in that condition doesn't appeal to me that much. I really need the recordings I listen to repeatedly to be clean and sonically inspiring. I guess I lose a lot of exposure to history by being narrow like this, but I'm really able to appreciate, say, the contributions of the Carter family without listening to their (to me) flat recordings. New Grass Revival (Bela Fleck! Sam Bush! Pat Flynn, John Cowen!) used to play in a bar just down the road from here not so many years back. I didn't know they were making Bluegrass history. I just dug the music I heard while having a few beers. I don't have the funds to be able to acquire pristine quality vinyl from the <=50's, 60's, 70's, but I'm really thankful for re-issues and those folks who have an interest in restoring the sonic possibilities of old tape (and distributing their work on CD). About the organs, I keep dreaming this daydream that I'm going to some country home answering a 'guitar for sale, plays nice, $100' type ad, and getting there and finding a Gibson 1950's era J-45. Hasn't happened yet. A nice sub would be finding another pair of 'large speakers' at a garage sale for $100. Well, a fellow can dream, eh? Forrest ---------------- On 7/21/2003 7:06:00 PM jt1stcav wrote: Reminds me of the mint 1955 Hammond B3 and its Leslie tone cabinet that a customer brought into our Guitar Center store to sell (we buy used instruments)...management bought the complete organ from him for $2500 (even included its original owners manual and console cover key). The next morning (after being cleaned up), it was displayed at our Keyboard Dept. That Hammond only sat on the floor for 4 hours until a customer walked on over to it, took one look at it and said (without even trying it out) he'll buy it! Paid $4500 cash for it, too! ----------------

How 'bout some Willette?? ... 'what Lola Wants...' Love that one... I love B3 sound. There *is* no substitute in blues or jazz. I wish I could stroke the B3 like those guys. A guy I work with plays gospel soul and he can absolutely tear up a B3. I was in Lincoln, NE several years back and saw a combo that I WISH i could remember the name of. The young fellow playing the B3 had it together. Everything from a sweet, high frequency saturated whispering 'coo' to an in-your-face growl that would impress a Bengal tiger. The Sax/Clarinet player was no slouch either. I've not taken any of my inherited vinyl over to the corns yet because there is no turntable set up there. Give me time. Forrest ---------------- On 7/21/2003 12:31:07 AM Allan Songer wrote: Organ records? How 'bout Larry Young or Jimmy Smith? ----------------

I agree with you about the clarity and presence. Today when I sang (shure sm58) and played the guitar (acoustic with seymour duncan woody pickup through a phase shifter) and a smattering of reverb... the effect was quite stunning. The room is maybe 800 square feet... possibly a bit more... but certainly not a huge hall. I can understand how you're pleased with singing through the heresys! Just out of curiousity, other then reverberation and echo, what effects do you like to put on your voice? Are you a tenor or a bass or both? I've heard about aural exciters, and would like to know a little bit about them, but to be honest, I've never heard a bad singer cured by effects. I've heard good singers polished by effects, though. I'm a big fan of quality reverb, but rarely have I ever heard compression devices that I liked. well, gotta go for now, Forrest ---------------- On 7/19/2003 12:13:06 AM IndyKlipschFan wrote: In the for what it is worth catagory... I have used, for some time now, the Heresy's to sing through, on top of the Cornwalls playing music Karaoke wise, with fantastic clearity, presence, dynamics, and could not be happier. The Heresy's are turned up a little more of course, vocals (with some fancy digital effects) are very clear and true through these. I would agree, do not to attempt to play with them at really loud concert levels. (Although sometimes at mid-high levels for sure is fun. LOL) If you have good equipment going into these, that is clean etc., etc., how wonderful a sunday sermon must feel. ----------------

Thanks for the source on good recordings! I'll be sure to check that out. I loved the mental pic of Fox at a Dead show (or Jerry at a Fox recital). Spent some time today alone in the room with Bach's B minor Mass... John Elliot Gardner and the Monteverdi choir... heady stuff. I get lost in such 'confections for the ear' as Kurt Vonnegut has described music. I'm going to the site right-away to check it out. Interesting note.. here in Bowling Green, KY, at the 'downtown' Presbyterian church, is a 1976 Aeolian Skinner. Well, not Exactly... it is a sipes organ voiced by Robert Skinner, but it is a very nice two manual american classic tracker. (29 ranks). It does, however, have an aeolian skinner plaque on it. I've been told it was the last instrument voiced by Robert Skinner. Don't know if it's true, but there ya go! the very large Baptist church here burnt to the ground a few years back, and when they rebuilt they installed a 57 rank Cassavant, 3 manuals, with kickin' sound, and a room built for musical performances. It has a 32' contra-basson (quarter scale). Electric 32' extensions on the diapasons and bourdons. One of the dreams of retirement years is to tour the country and take in historic instrument recitals. I would love to experience the Riverside organ that Dr. Fox designed, under the fingers of a skilled player, of course. anyway, thanks for the recommendations! Forrest ---------------- On 7/20/2003 6:31:39 PM jt1stcav wrote: Virgil Fox and Jerry Garcia were both phenomenal musicians who will be sorely missed from the musical world. They had alot to contribute, and their unique styles of performing the music they loved so much will continue to influence new musicians for many generations to come! Just imagine if Virgil ever attended a Dead concert at the Golden Gate Park, or if Jerry ever saw Virgil jumping up and down on the organ bench at the Filmore East...groovy! The purists were jealous of Virgil...they saw the natural talent he possessed, but rediculed him for his outlandish costumes and romantic renditions of Baroque organ music. I think Virgil understood Bach better than any other musician alive! Virgil Fox was such a great entertainer off the bench as well...how I wish I could have attended one of his recitals, and listen to him enthral the audience with his stories. Yeah, I know a little about the "King of Instruments"...I grew up on organs and the music composed and performed for them; my dad works for a small pipe organ servicing firm in CT, and their latest project is the complete restoration of the massive 1949 Aeolian-Skinner organ in Boston's Symphony Hall. I don't know if you're familiar with the Dorian record label, but if you want to hear some exciting digital recordings by the renown French organist Jean Guillou on new important pipe organs (that have 32' reeds that will give your Cornwall's woofers a hellava workout), then go to www.dorian.com to their online catalog and scroll down the page to "Organ". There you'll find their complete organ listings...many of the CD's listed I own, and all are performed flawlessly, and the CD's sonics are spectacular! ----------------

Thanks for the source on good recordings! I'll be sure to check that out. I loved the mental pic of Fox at a Dead show (or Jerry at a Fox recital). Spent some time today alone in the room with Bach's B minor Mass... John Elliot Gardner and the Monteverdi choir... heady stuff. I get lost in such 'confections for the ear' as Kurt Vonnegut has described music. I'm going to the site right-away to check it out. Interesting note.. here in Bowling Green, KY, at the 'downtown' Presbyterian church, is a 1976 Aeolian Skinner. Well, not Exactly... it is a sipes organ voiced by Robert Skinner, but it is a very nice two manual american classic tracker. (29 ranks). It does, however, have an aeolian skinner plaque on it. I've been told it was the last instrument voiced by Robert Skinner. Don't know if it's true, but there ya go! the very large Baptist church here burnt to the ground a few years back, and when they rebuilt they installed a 57 rank Cassavant, 3 manuals, with kickin' sound, and a room built for musical performances. It has a 32' contra-basson (quarter scale). Electric 32' extensions on the diapasons and bourdons. One of the dreams of retirement years is to tour the country and take in historic instrument recitals. I would love to experience the Riverside organ that Dr. Fox designed, under the fingers of a skilled player, of course. anyway, thanks for the recommendations! Forrest ---------------- On 7/20/2003 6:31:39 PM jt1stcav wrote: Virgil Fox and Jerry Garcia were both phenomenal musicians who will be sorely missed from the musical world. They had alot to contribute, and their unique styles of performing the music they loved so much will continue to influence new musicians for many generations to come! Just imagine if Virgil ever attended a Dead concert at the Golden Gate Park, or if Jerry ever saw Virgil jumping up and down on the organ bench at the Filmore East...groovy! The purists were jealous of Virgil...they saw the natural talent he possessed, but rediculed him for his outlandish costumes and romantic renditions of Baroque organ music. I think Virgil understood Bach better than any other musician alive! Virgil Fox was such a great entertainer off the bench as well...how I wish I could have attended one of his recitals, and listen to him enthral the audience with his stories. Yeah, I know a little about the "King of Instruments"...I grew up on organs and the music composed and performed for them; my dad works for a small pipe organ servicing firm in CT, and their latest project is the complete restoration of the massive 1949 Aeolian-Skinner organ in Boston's Symphony Hall. I don't know if you're familiar with the Dorian record label, but if you want to hear some exciting digital recordings by the renown French organist Jean Guillou on new important pipe organs (that have 32' reeds that will give your Cornwall's woofers a hellava workout), then go to www.dorian.com to their online catalog and scroll down the page to "Organ". There you'll find their complete organ listings...many of the CD's listed I own, and all are performed flawlessly, and the CD's sonics are spectacular! ----------------

Garymd, I've never heard of Ric Masten. I'll keep an ear out for him. You mention the Pizza Tapes in another post, and yes, I've heard of them, just never heard *them*. My very first rock and roll concert was a Grateful Dead show. May 18th, 1977. the night before the widely traded (and recent vault release) 5/19/77. I was ruined for most other rock and roll shows from that time forward. . That group knew how to use dynamics better than just about any group I've ever heard... maybe barring Genesis.. those guys were excellent as well. I do remember seeing the wall of McIntosh amps behind their sound system... tubes a glowin'. It was also the only time I saw Keith playing a grand piano. goodness... memories. The speakers in the church sound magnificent. It is a purchase I feel hugely satisfied in making. Question, though.. should I caulk the squawker? I've asked for advice here but no one has suggested any yet! Is that a good thing? ha ha. Seriously, a fellow musician (guitarist and incredible singer) came up to me today after church and told me that the sound of the cornwalls was like getting his *** whipped with silk. He said he got the quote from Matrix II. It was a complement, he said. I was striving to get greater clarity and projection of sound with lower volumes, and I think I've done just that. Later, Forrest (seriously thinking about a pair of Cornwalls for his home now). I notice on other forums where you were talking about the 'weather report suite' and Bob Weir's vocal placement in the soundstage. Interesting. I'll have to check that out. I like the recording from Dick's Picks 1 (I think that's right.. the cd is not near).. 12/29/73 Tampa, FL... of the Weather report suite... the phil bomb in Let it Grow.... BAM!! ahhhhhhhhhh.... ---------------- On 7/18/2003 10:23:17 PM garymd wrote: ---------------- On 7/18/2003 9:59:45 PM Woodog wrote: Garymd, from the looks of the system you have, I think you made it. Unitarians are not opposed to laying up treasure here on earth, for what that's worth. I get to do a huge variety of music as a performer, for instance, I'll be playing (guitar) and singing Hunter/Garcia's 'Friend of the Devil' this Sunday for the prelude. Next Sunday I'll be playing a disc of Murray Perriah's performance of Schubert's Impromptu in F minor. As far as the LRY go, that is in some ways a blanket description of Unitarian Universalists. Jews and Unitarians have a long history going back to the holocaust. (of course, this is all TOTALLY non hifi talk, but interesting to me anyway). I'll quit now... thanks, Forrest ---------------- On 7/18/2003 6:08:53 PM garymd wrote: Woodog, Funny you should post this because when I was a kid, although we are Jewish, my parents started going to a Unitarian Church. They had an amazing stereo system and was one of the major reasons I got into hifi. I always told my parents that I wanted a system that sounded as good as the one at church. My parents found the church to be a wonderful social outlet and I spent a lot of time as a member of the LRY group. Is that group still in existence and do you know what it stands for? As a conservative, I have to laugh thinking back on those days. Answer: Liberal Relgious Youth ---------------- Just as I was reading your post "Friend of the Devil" popped on the heresys. The version from Garcia/Grisman Grateful Dawg soundtrack. Maybe there are some khorns waiting for me in the next world. For now I'm content with my cornwalls and heresys. Sorry but I'll have to revert back to my Judaism when it comes to my Klipsch treasures. BTW - Do you remember the Unitarian singer/songwriter Ric Masten I think his name was. He came to our church a few times and I think I still have one of his albums around somewhere. ----------------

One of my favorite organ music discs is Peter Hurford's (spelling??) recording of romantic organ music. Romantic as in period as opposed to lust inspiring (but you knew that!!). A gem from that disc is Vierne's Berceuse. With the cornwall's soundstage you get a sense of the space of the cathedral Mr. Hurford is playing in. Another favorite from that disc is the Widor's Toccata from the Fifth Symphony. It is at a much more relaxed tempo than Fox's Indy 500 pace. Even the Cornwall's have to give up on the 32' reeds though. heheheheheheheh. I really feel as if I'm hearing my music collection for the first time. jt1stcav, did you ever get to hear virgil fox play? I'm 45, but in 73 or 74 I saw him in concert with that electronic Allen (I think it was at the time) instrument and a light show (although I'm not sure if it was Joe's lights like the ones from the Heavy Organ records). It was an experience. I believe he ended touring around 76 or so. anyway, it's late... gotta sleep sometime, Forrest ---------------- On 7/19/2003 4:40:46 PM jt1stcav wrote: ...And playing the "Digital Fox" through the Cornwalls in that Church must sound very lively and accurate, as if Virgil's playing the Ruffatti right there in front of you! Back in '80 I heard 2 pairs of Klipschorns driven by 2 Carver M-500t amps in a concert hall-sized room that housed a residence Marr & Colton theatre pipe organ owned by a doctor...how impressive it was to hear actual recordings of that very organ played back through those 4 Klipschorns; it virtually sounded as live as the organ itself (except that the recorded music was coming from all four corners instead of the organ chambers in front)! I think these big ol' Klipsch love big rooms, and so I can just imagine how much you really enjoy listening to your CW's and Heresys at your Church. Way to go! ----------------

I'm the same way about religion! Let's talk Hi-Fi instead! As far as your being worried about my use of these speakers, I'm not into painful volume, or even near painful volume. I'm into moderation and clarity. Besides, the reverberant field of the room there doesn't make high-volume listening very pleasant for very long. I like the fact that an orchestra can sound large and realistic without speaker strain. I'll treat them gently. honest!! Forrest ---------------- On 7/18/2003 10:27:37 PM William F. Gil McDermott wrote: I do wish to keep religion out of the subjects on the forum. Still. Most of what I know about the sects comes from Garrison Keeler's Prarie Home Companion. The Lutherans do X and the Catholics do Y, in Lake Woebegon. The most funny was the topless caffee. Catholics and Lutherans wouldn't be seen in there. So Catholics visited before church on Sunday, and Lutherans visited after church. He also had the Young Lutheran's guide to the orchestra. Which is the perfect musical instrument for a Lutheran? Yet it could be funny to say that each speaker of the Heritage series is most suited to a given sect or religion. I leave that to your imagination. Seriously, I do get a bit concened when any of these home speakers are used in the environent of a big hall. Moreso if they are being used with big organ pieces with deep bass. They're darn good. Nonetheless, please be careful in your expectations. Gil ----------------

Hey Gil! Thanks for all the kindness! An interesting bunch of stuff came with the Heresys I bought off EBAY. The description there was Harman Kardon amp & Klipsch speakers, so I got the preamp, amp and the Heresys in one fell swoop. The lady who sold them also sent me literature in an "Owner Information Packet" .. It includes sales flyers for the Cornwall and Heresy speakers. Pictures on the front (heresy with a banjo, Cornwall with a saxophone), blurbs, and specs and "Architects' and Engineer' Specifications" on the back side. the previous owner kept pretty much all literature together. It was reading about the cornwall there that I thought.. hmmmmmm... a google search turned up the belgian audio school review someone mentioned here, and a visit to these forums showed me that many of you thought of them as children to be loved and cared for rather than just boxes and testosterone statements. I've been reading for some weeks now, spending a lot of time pouring over the comments. There is a cool level of maturity and respect here. So I bought a pair of Cornwalls without ever having heard them because I loved the sound of the heresys and kept seeing again again comments about the Cornwalls being much like Heresys but with a huge soundstage and serious low end clarity. Also, being a classically trained pianist, the comment in the belgian site about the Cornwall being able to accurately reproduce piano music *really* got me interested. I'm really satisfied with this blind date! The very first recordings I listened to was Tone Poems, David Grisman, mandolin, and Tony Rice, guitar. These guys play live, non-compressed, into high speed two track analog tape and it is stunning. When I was listening though, I thought there might be something wrong because I kept hearing a noise that I had never heard before on other speakers... sort of like the noise of poor FM reception.. so I make some adjustments.. still there... then I realize... it is the players breathing. What clarity. thanks for your reply. Forrest

Garymd, from the looks of the system you have, I think you made it. Unitarians are not opposed to laying up treasure here on earth, for what that's worth. I get to do a huge variety of music as a performer, for instance, I'll be playing (guitar) and singing Hunter/Garcia's 'Friend of the Devil' this Sunday for the prelude. Next Sunday I'll be playing a disc of Murray Perriah's performance of Schubert's Impromptu in F minor. As far as the LRY go, that is in some ways a blanket description of Unitarian Universalists. Jews and Unitarians have a long history going back to the holocaust. (of course, this is all TOTALLY non hifi talk, but interesting to me anyway). I'll quit now... thanks, Forrest ---------------- On 7/18/2003 6:08:53 PM garymd wrote: Woodog, Funny you should post this because when I was a kid, although we are Jewish, my parents started going to a Unitarian Church. They had an amazing stereo system and was one of the major reasons I got into hifi. I always told my parents that I wanted a system that sounded as good as the one at church. My parents found the church to be a wonderful social outlet and I spent a lot of time as a member of the LRY group. Is that group still in existence and do you know what it stands for? As a conservative, I have to laugh thinking back on those days. Answer: Liberal Relgious Youth ----------------

jt1stcav, My favorite of the Virgil Fox performances is of the Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C.... recorded DDD when he was 69 years old, and suffering mightly from cancer. If you can't listen to that adagio and sigh, you might want to shop for a soul. I'll definitely play around with the placement as far as I can get away with it. They are a good group of singers, and the room size swallowed the Heresy's. I didn't necessarily want to be louder, just more *present* and clear. The Cornwalls have definitely helped that. Plus, the low 32.7 hz C note is real now, not just a ghost of what should be. The Toccata and Fugue from that same disc, Digital Fox, is sublime as well. My all time favorite disc for testing explosive transient responses is a recording of Rachmaninoff's piano concerto # 3, on the Phillips Label, Zoltan Kocsis, piano. It occurs around 9 min into the 2nd movement, a powerful attack with a huge piano chord and timpani and full orchestra... I took that disc to the church tonight to listen on the new digs ... and BAM! oh my! What an experience. **THOCK** right in the chest. Makes me hate my home system. heheheheh. ---------------- On 7/18/2003 8:10:29 PM jt1stcav wrote: Here's the Cornwall test report link Gil mentioned: http://www.belgaudio.com/kcmap.htm Congrats on the purchase of two very fine vintage horn speakers, the Heresys and the Cornwalls. Both are excellent loudspeakers in their own right, and I'm sure they sound wonderful playing back Virgil Fox's performance of Bach's "Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor" or the Alan Parsons Project! My Cornwalls are unmodified, but I have nothing against doing so if you feel the need. Placement really does make a difference, so if you've got the room, by all means play around with their positions. I wish my Catholic Church had Klipsch... Oh well, keep the faith, and the music, alive! ----------------

Yes, the serial numbers of the Cornwalls are 11P052 11P053 (don't know how I forgot that in all of that posting! hahahahaha) Forrest

I've placed a topic over in Odds and Mods 'Another new Klipsch user wanting advice' and know (from reading several bunches of posts from all around) that there are more than a few of you who know how to really optimize Cornwalls. If you've a mind too, check out the pics and offer up your best advice. I'm handy with a solder, and I really like the vibe I get from the forums. I think I probably should have posted those sets of pics here, but oh well ... thanks for your thoughts in advance. Forrest

Thanks if you made it this far! The last owner had a cat, and they also did a horrible job staining these speakers. I really want to have them redone, preferable the beautiful reddish color of the heresys... Is this a do it yourself type job, or would you recommend a professional? I really care about the things I commit to buying, and I really feel these speakers will be with me for good. So I want to treat them right and restore them to visual beauty while bringing them up to their sonic potential. The difference in sound to the room is already astounding, as I can attain superb clarity at moderate to low volume levels without system strain, but I would like to tame some of the 'in your face' midrange aggressiveness when I'm listening to music at louder volume levels. Any advice, again, would and will be appreciated. I'm tickled to own these. oh.. the type is CDBR.. I guess that makes em Birch? Thanks again, Forrest

This is the sound system that is powering all 4 speakers. Harman Kardon PA2200 power amp Harman Kardon PT2300 pre amp Eurorack mixer (SM57 mikes and Roland Rd-600).. plus an occasional extra signal... never driven very hard. effects loop (sparingly used) is an Alesis Quadraverb I always run in stereo if possible, and if you are sitting at the very back of the room, from left to right the speakers are Heresy (right channel), Cornwall (left channel), Cornwall (right channel), Heresy (left channel). this way .. I think, most anywhere in the room there is a good stereo image.

Is this the correct logo for the Heresys? Their Serial #'s are 102U689 and 102U690 (stamped into the wood... the paper on the back was gone)

Innards of the Heresy speakers.. should I rope caulk these? Leave em alone?