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---------------- On 8/7/2004 6:31:26 PM Malcolm wrote: Coax won't do a darn bit better than good shielded single audio cable for a subwoofer. ---------------- in fact a coax cable and a shielded cable is almost the same thing. in a coax cable, the exterior conductor(-) act like a shield. so the interior conductor(+) receive no noise from the outside.

---------------- On 8/11/2004 7:43:35 AM cablacksmith wrote: Hey while we are talking about microscopic differences that are there on paper but no one has ears good enough or equipment good enough to hear the difference with, lets not forget that we can spend big money on fancy POWER CORDS! Yes lets forget about the 30 miles of transmission lines, thousands of customers tens of thousands of connections an un determinable number of air conditioners, fans, motors and electronic devices polluting our power source, lets concentrate on the last 6 feet of wire to our equipment and cure all of the worlds problems with that magical 6 feet of audiophile grade power cord! Yes on paper we can PROVE that it is cleaner to use, but in the real world, GET A LIFE! ---------------- that s exactly what i m trying to put a stress on (with my very poor english): there are difference, but they are so little that they cannot be heard in a home theatre. as you said there is so much factor in real life wich can act on how our system sounds that the difference between a 1000$ and a 0.5$ wire of 5 meters long would be unhearable. people who sells the wire show us the prove on the paper that their wire sounds better than the other.unfortunatly physics fact are often so tiny that a human being cannot see them without some special equipment.

---------------- On 8/11/2004 5:35:19 AM rear_naked_choke wrote: Well, I don't think I play music, movies or games very loud at all. Also, I never have problems with the satellites, just the sub grumbling. Might a move to the Promedia DD-5.1 help so I will be able to "move" some low-frequencies to the satellites? ---------------- no need to spend money for a DD5.1, it won t resolve your problem. does the button fot the bass management is set to about 10 or 11 o clock on the control pod? if it is turn above this,the bass are increase.it could lead to port noise on the sub or stuff like that.

---------------- On 8/11/2004 12:03:27 AM rear_naked_choke wrote: Okay, so I got the new 4.1 satellites and a CP-1, but the sub is still grumbling. From all your suggestions, these are the possible causes. a. too close to the wall - will try to move them later at least 30cm away from the port and speakers. b. they're only multimedia speakers and have their limits - I'm not playing anything special though. Just some games on my Xbox or some movies on a dvd player, and sometimes even just regular stuff grumbles. c. speakers are being overdriven - sorry what does this mean? and how can I fix it. I am using a Midiland ADS-200 decoder. Would moving to a Promedia DD-5.1 help with the grumbling sound? (if only because they might both be engineered for each other because they have the same manufacturer). I also heard that the DD-5.1 had an option to vary the amount of low-frequency sound distributed between the sub and satellites (I think there were 3 settings). So would I be able to set it such that I could channel more low-frequency sound to the satellites (making them more powerful), and less to the sub (eliminating the grumble)? Of course this is the v2-400 sub/amp so there is no sub input, just an all-in-one "input" jack into the decoder, but just theoretically would it work? ---------------- B and C are the same things: promedia speakers are small smeakers, if you ask too much from them they are overdrived. the amp send a lot of power to the speakers, but the speakers are not made to handle as much power or to play as loud as you want. dou you play music at very loud volume? if you turn the volume down or if you just turn the volume of the sub down it should sound better. if it don t, then it s not the B or C probleme.

---------------- On 8/10/2004 6:00:45 PM Gramas701 wrote: the best conducters of electricity go as follows plat silver gold copper now if you ever go to other forums where the people are a little bit more techy, you will find that the reason that people use gold connecters is because the sound tends to be warmer when sound is passed through the connection where as the silver connections are not only a much softer material and break easier but the sound is cold and it tends to have a anegatie effect..... but then again I am preaching the good word to (for the most part) people who believe there is no difference between home depot wire and name brands. Which is find because everyone here can think for themselves just as I do. ---------------- unfortunatly, it s not as simple as you think. conductivity depends on the frequencies you run into the wire. for exemple for low frenwuencies coper will be better than silver, but for high frequencies it s the opposite.

---------------- On 8/10/2004 1:09:13 PM D-MAN wrote: We are clearly divided into two camps: the pro-wire crowd and the "wire is just wire" crowd. Here is my PRO-WIRE argument (again)... Wire is not just wire. Length, diameter, structure (winding style), and metalurgy all have an impact on the conductivity of wire. Even the type of insulation used can have an effect. Also if wire was just wire (and hence, conductance is just conductance and is equal for all wires), then there would presumably be nothing such as "super-conductivity", which flies in the face of science, for there could be nothing that one could do to enhance conductivity, period. The fact that conductivity varies with temperature is indicative that wires are subject to environmental variables, too. Wires of all sorts have variances in conductance that have to do with a variety of things. If you don't think so, then why are there differences in various lightbulbs, fuses, and (gasp) tubes, semi-conductors, IC chips, capacitors, resistors, inductors, transformers, power lines, AC power cables, and amplifiers, tuners, cd players, receivers, preamps, speakers, tv's, relays, and other things that require electrical conductance in order to operate (that is, perform work)? Why don't they all use the SAME EXACT WIRE in them? In all applications, if wire was just wire... Why do metals vary in conductance? Why do they coat the inside of radar and microwave waveguides with silver? Why does diameter have anything to do with current flow? Why is copper better than lead? The electrical valence is DIFFERENT on a atomic level. Physical differences, undeniably factual, tested, proven. Ever smelled the burning wiring in a car? Ever blown a fuse? Ok, we all have, but the RESISTANCE to current flow was the culprit. We can all see that wires have a set of operational LIMITS to the amount of current (due to the RESISTANCE inherent in the wire) that it can take without catostrophic results. It should be plainly seen by all that there are methods that can be employed to OPTIMIZE the ability to conduct current at certain frequencies or ranges. Here's the short answer: Wire is NOT just wire. Current requirements vary with the application which includes voltage, current, and frequency, and so does the conductivity requirements on the wire. Choose the wire most appropriate to the application. This leads us to the SPEAKER CABLE issue; 20Hz to 20KHz or so at several hundred watts (let's assume). Why would 12 gauge wire be better than 28 gauge given the same brand and type? If 12 ga. is good, wouldn't 8 be even better? If wire was just wire, this wouldn't be the case. Conductivity, kids...less resistance. And conductivity can be optimised. DM ---------------- you re right on some point: -material is important for a wire -the method used to make the wire is important but don forget that some improvement are so tiny that they cannot be feel by a human being. forthermore for audio we don t often use long wire. using silver wire for high frequencies can make a noticeable difference if you use wire that make some kilometers but for 5 meter lenght wire, you won t see any change, exept your empty wallet

---------------- On 8/10/2004 9:55:32 AM Jay481985 wrote: ??? gold is not a better conductor of electricity then copper. silver is though but tarnishes rather easily ---------------- i made some studies in physics mesurements.i totaly agree with you, gold bring nothing.silver may bring a little thing at high frequencies but the improvement is so little that i bet it can t be heard. people who make expansive wire must justify their price, even if the gold effect is a lie.it seems that all the way of earning money are good for them.

---------------- On 8/11/2004 12:48:24 AM Scp53 wrote: just a correction of what you said. most of the ref series is made in china. only the rf 5 and 7's and matching surrounds/center are made in the USA. I think the rsw subs may be made in the USA too. not sure though. but Im positive about the lower ref stuff because my rb25's say made in china and I was told ONLY the high end refs are made in the USA. besides who cares where there made. I've seen stuff made in china thats really good and some stuff thats not so good. and Ive seen USA made stuff good and not so good. its sent to china for one reason- to keep the price down and/or increase profits(IMO). and Klipsch backs it with a 5yr warrenty besides, so where its made doesn't matter. I think the components them selves may be produced in the USA. but then assembled in China. scp53 ---------------- you re right, my synergy speakers are made in china and a friend of mine has RF3, they re made in china too. be carreful, the last time i said that where klipsch speakers are made doesn t matter, american people of the forum kicked me

if you take a big 100% copper wire it will do the job. cablacksmith and yromj are right. don t waste money on expansive wire. expansive wire sometime have silver or gold to carry high frequencies better than coper. but for a human being it s almost imposible to make the difference. it s better to buy cheap coper wire and spend the remaining money on good speakers or a good amp or anything that will really improve your system. if you have the best system of the world, the room that match this system and some perfect ears, expansive wire MAY make a little difference.

---------------- On 8/9/2004 10:12:25 PM colterphoto1 wrote: BTW, where did you end up putting the sub. Bet it wasn't where you expected it to be?!?!? ---------------- i ve a ksw10, it has good bass but it is not very powerfull. the place it sounds the best is a corner, with some space between the ksw10 and the walls. don t forget that the place where you put sub in a room depends also of who place the sub. some people like big bass, other prefers discrete but very sharp bass...it s a matter of taste. in fact, most of the times the sub end up in a corner with me. and once the sub in a corner my girlfriend don t scream on me because there is a big black box in the middle of the room

---------------- On 8/9/2004 9:27:37 AM Timbobelmo wrote: Can you also tell me which is best for music in a large room/hall. I do "DJing" occasionally. ---------------- the reference or synergy would do the job. they don t need a lot of power to rock the house with my system i have a cheap yamaha with 65 W per channel and i cannot turn it at more than the quarter of the power because it s too loud for me.

i had 2 set of promedia 2.1 and then a promedia 5.1 before i got my synergie speaker. the promedia 2.1 sounds very good for the size of the sat. i used the 2 promedia together in order to have a 4.2 system (the promedia V2-400 has not been release in france).the 2 sub working together were too powerfull against the sat, i had lower the volume of the sub. the promedia 5.1 sound as good as the promedia 2.1 and slightly louder. the synergy speaker are totally different. with just the 2 SF1 as main i got more bass than with the 2 sub of the promedia 2.1 or the sub of the promedia 5.1. the SF1 are more detailled.you can heard all the details of a record. it can be a desavantage: i descover some background noise on some track that sounded good on promedia(it don t come fron the speaker because if we listen to them loud and very sharply with the promedia we can heard those noises). i ve heard some reference speaker they sound better than the synergy even if they don t go as deep as the SF1.i don t bought them because klipsch speaker are very expansive in france and i could only afford the synergy serie. if you have a small room and if you don t want some big speakers go for the promedia. if you have a large room and a lot of money go for the reference. if you have a normal room or a large room but not a lot of money go for the synergy. anyway for the price they cost, klipsch speakers really worth the money. a klipsch speaker can beat in quality almost any speaker of the same price.

i have synergy serie speakers. they sound very good.and they worth the money. but the reference speakers sound better. here klipsch speakers are very expansive, that s why i got synergy instead of reference. if you can spent the extra dollars for reference speakers you should not hesitate.

it worth testing this option if you don t want to return your amp.

---------------- On 8/6/2004 4:11:31 PM colterphoto1 wrote: I heard a theory that you place the sub where you will sit, then CRAWL AROUND the room and find where the bass sounds best, then put the sub there. Weird theory, but it might just work. ---------------- it works very well.

---------------- On 8/6/2004 10:54:32 PM marksdad wrote: be carefull about too many speaks in too small a room i used to do 6.1 in a small room and it seemed that the sound was just bouncing off of each other, just do a good solid ht, you wont get much more from a 6.1 or 7.1 or 3.1 it depends more on quality than quantity, as far as buying smaller off brand speaks, WOW???????? ---------------- you re right. if the room is too small too many speakers won t sound good at all. it will be messy.

it only remains the amp or the control pod.

the CP1 are stands right? i don t think the humming sound could come from stands... or your speakers stands are linked to a power source?!

if you cannot buy enormous speakers, the SF1 could do the job: they go deep enough(40Hz), so you won t need a sub if you only listen to music, and they are quite slim for some floorstanding loudspeakers. if you have not the place for floorstanding speakers, go for some RB or SB with the sub that match.

i made a mistake, i d like to wrote "unfortunatly for us".

---------------- On 8/6/2004 7:10:22 AM krustyoldsarge wrote: Tant pis, c'est la merde, n'est-ce pas? Czilla: ya hear what everyone is sayin'! Give klipsch a fair listen. Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you mentioning anything about your budget limitiations.... ---------------- en fait ce serai plutot l inverse: ce n est pas du tout de la merde!les enceintes klipsch sont formidables!! the synergy serie is of course not as good as the reference one, but if you don t want to spend all your money they are some really good speakers.

krustyoldsarge,unfortunatly for use, it seems that klipsch are cheap only in the usa

---------------- On 8/6/2004 3:06:33 AM Czilla9000 wrote: So your guys opinion is that both new and old Klipsch speakers will beat out any competitor at any price point? EXAMPLE: The Klipsch RB-15 will outperform anyother $300 non-Klipsch speaker. Is that your opinion...do you hold Klipsch in that high an esteem? BTW...that dresser is not mine. I just grabbed that pic off internet as example. ---------------- for me, a klipsch speaker beat almost(it should be some ecxeption) any other non klipsch speakers of the same price.but it s because i fall in love of the klipsch sound. some people don t enjoy the way klipsch speakers sounds. you really should listen to a pair of klipsch speakers. i think you should not buy without listenning before. audio is like food, it s a matter of taste.

all klipsch speakers worth the price they cost. from the promedia to the klipschorn. if you want good speakers for a very low cost you could go for synergy serie speaker or some old klipsch speaker. if you have more money you could go for something more serious ( a pair of reference speakers from 3 to 7 with a sub if they are RB). i have SF1 as main they really worth the money even if in france they are expensive and hard to find.they sound better than other speakers twice more expansive. as i already said, you should go to a shop that sells klipsch speakers and listen to a pair them.i bet you will leave the store with a paire of klipsch speakers.

you can use your SB1 as rear in order to make a 7.1 system.