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Great post Colin! I disagree with you about combining a sub with the La Scala's, but aside from that...

---------------- On 11/12/2004 3:32:30 AM doudou wrote: ---------------- On 11/10/2004 11:27:45 AM psg wrote: Why? I'd rather leave the mains at 0dB and adjust the others. I don't want to increase the noise floor on the La Scala's. But as long as I don't overdrive the speaker with the highest +Xdb offset, I should be okay, right? ---------------- if you set your mains at +3db for exemple, your amp will have to feed the speakers with twice the power of the 0db level, if you set the mains at +6db the amp will have to produce 4 times more power, +9db become 8 time pore power... so if you need 10w for the center channel for example your amp will have to feed your mains with more than 80w if you set the main level at +10dB!!!! even if your amp doesn t clip, it will have more distortion than if you drive it at a lower level. ---------------- Salut Doudou, I'm quite familiar with the dB scale, thanks. But you were implying it's better to adjust down than up. Is there a reason for that? Currently, the mains are at 0dB, the rears are at +2 dB and the center is at +8dB. The only ones fed by the receiver's amplifier are the mains. The rear are in a separate power amplifier and the center is the TV. I never watch a movie above -20 dB, and only rarely above -25dB.

---------------- On 11/12/2004 4:24:24 AM doudou wrote: ---------------- On 11/11/2004 10:22:45 AM marksdad wrote: from synergy to 35's, is a large step, 1 that you will be comfortable with for a long time, and doudou, way to litteral kinda go too far to make a point wouldnt you ---------------- sorry but i don t undesrtand...don t forget english isn t my mother s tong ---------------- I didn't understand either, so...

On 11/12/2004 4:15:14 AM doudou wrote: psg, if a halfof your basment is not finished, you can finish it and make one only room for your gear, so your room will be large enough for klipschorns, the lascalas will become center and surrounds.there is just one lascala and some work to do missing 1- There's a load-bearing wall down the middle, as well as a staircase. 2- It would mean a massive amount of work. 3- Where would I store all my stuff?

If they can be either 2004 or 1992, then they are either 1992 or stolen since the seller said he has had them for years.

---------------- On 11/12/2004 9:42:42 AM garymd wrote: ---------------- On 11/11/2004 10:47:39 PM TBrennan wrote: I've owned both LSs and CWs and prefer the CWs. The LSs have a bass-shy sound but the CWs sound robust and fullbodied. The bass-shy tonal balance of the LSs gives me earwire; a sensation as though a wire was being twisted in my ears. I now find LSs to be quite obnoxious speakers though I did enjoy the ones I owned back in the 1970s; they did get VERY loud afterall. ---------------- If the lascalas are earbleeders, then wouldn't khorns be also since they share the same tweeter/squaker? Will the additional bass of the khorns offset that horrible midrange screech of the lascalas . The upper end of my khorns are actaully much smoother than that of my corns. Considerably less harsh (although I don't think either are actually harsh). Am I wrong? ---------------- I wondered the same thing! Same crossover too!

And again, here's the would-be room with a pair of Heresy's as center channel. Of course they would have to be black...

Here's what it would look like in my room with a sideways La Scala as center. I tried putting one on its side and feeding it the center channel on a movie. On-axis, the sound is fantastic. But my couch is kinda close to the front array, and the sound is not as good when sitting on the side. There are less high frquencies, and you get more of a feeling of listening to a speaker instead of just hearing voices. Not optimal... But great when seated closer to the middle!

I love the access you have to the back of your components! I am currently thinking about building another wall so I can have a walk way behind ALL my components, as well as being able to frame in shelving, and cavities for the TV and the speakers. It would clean up my install immensely instead of just having everything just plopped down on the floor. Thanks! It makes all the difference in the world. My basement is split down the middle, with half of it finished and the other half unfinished. The hole was already there in the load-bearing wall before I finished one half so I used it like that. Access is from the unfinished side so there's really no waisted space. Everything is at eye level and easy to get to. It's great! Do you ever have problems with CD's/DVD's falling off of the wall? :-) No. Also the black CD/VHS/DVD racks on the front wall are slanted so they don't fall out. Do you have rattle and buzz from the acoustic tiling? I have a suspended ceiling as well and the buzz is almost unbearable at times. I had a few vibration sounds when I first had my sub, but a few nudges later everything was fine. No buss. I also put in 3 inches of acoustic fiber within the framing of the ceiling, so that helps to keep the sound downstairs.

Todays is value is .84 cents CDN to $1 US I believe, it's a movin I wish! It's the reverse: 84 cents US is C$1 (The US dollar is worth more, but we all know what you meant. I'm just getting my post count up!)

1- The avr-325 was reviewed in the June 2003 issue of "Home Theater" and the amplifier reached 0.1% distorsion at 135W and 1% distorsion at 157W. into 4-ohms. Sorry about the omission.

---------------- On 11/10/2004 11:18:42 PM amonteiro wrote: ---------------- On 11/10/2004 9:32:10 PM psg wrote: But, yes, all h/k receivers are high-current and will drive down to 4 ohms easily. ---------------- Will they drive 4 ohms easily? I have the HK 525 and am about to buy some 4 ohm speakers. I did some googling and no where have I found them claim anything about 4 ohms ratings. I even saw in a few places that people said don't use 4 ohm speakers. I wouldn't be surprised if they do, just checking though because that would make my life a lot easier. ---------------- 1- The avr-325 was reviewed in the June 2003 issue of "Home Theater" and the amplifier reached 0.1% distorsion at 135W and 1% distorsion at 157W. 2- The h/k receivers are listed at Future Shop is being 4-ohm capable. 3- A friend of mine has 4-ohm Magnat speakers and wasn't ahppy with the sound with his Onkyo receiver. He wondered because his receiver was specifically not rated for 4 ohms. We plugged in my avr-325 and what a difference it made. With the Onkyo, the sound was flat, no dynamics, no bass. With the h/k it was all the opposite.

Here's mine, as seen from behind the couch. This is not HDTV, and there's no center speaker yet. The lower left image is the sub behind the couch and the left surround speaker (it's only a 5.1 setup). The lower right image is the access I have to my gear from another room, with the UHF-controlled Bell Expressvu PVR beneath it. I sometimes use the TV speakers as center, and sometimes go phantom. The plan is to add either a pair of Heresy's in a shelf over the TV, or a horizontally-mounted vertical Cornwall, or a sideways La Scala. This room is too small for Klipshorns instead of the La scala's, right? It's 11 feet wide and 30 feet deep.

Seems pricey, but use the conversion to U.S. Dollars. Is there duty or customs fees for equipment bought on the site? But I'm Canadian. :-) Our dollar is stronger these days, around C$1.20 = US$1, so the prices are still high. Don't know about duties... Are there any the other way around? Buying used speakers in the US and shipping them into Canada?

The custom La Scala is below the screen? Wow... hat's what I need over my TV!

My h/k avr-325 is a refurb from ecost.com. No problems with it...

Well you know what I think I suggested it in your other thread... But, yes, all h/k receivers are high-current and will drive down to 4 ohms easily. Relative to the bit more expensive avr-230, the avr-130 is a 5.1 receiver at 5 x 45W into 8 ohms (more into your 6 ohms), versus the avr-230's 7.1 receiver at 7 x 50W into 8 ohms. The 7.1 vs 5.1 might not be an issue for you. The other main difference is that the avr-130 has only a pre-out for the subwoofer while the avr-230 has pre-outs for all 8 channels (so you can later add external amplification). I would greatly recommend the avr-130 if you have little cash and are on the fence about it. Nice machine. Nice bass management for when you get that sub eventually.

Thanks! Two pairs of Klipschorns, two pairs of La Scala and one pair of Heresy's, all in Toronto. A bit far from me, but maybe Rob a.k.a Formica will be interested! Items are kinda pricey compared to ebay (3.2 K to 4K for Klipschorns, C$750 for Heresy's).

On 11/10/2004 3:55:53 PM minn_male42 wrote: another receiver to consider is the pioneer VSX-1014..... very nice feature set and sound.... the auto eq/room correction feature helps make a mediocre room sound much better.... (i have the same feature on my pioneer elite vsx-55txi) Yeah, the VSX-1014TX is THX-rated and has the same feature set as the Elite 52TX, except that the Elite has better quality parts inside. The 1014 is the top of the regular Pioneer heap and it's a good choice. It's at $367.99 at www.etronics.com (and maybe cheaper elsewhere; I didn't google) which is beyond your budget a bit, but might be worth it. But by then, you'll getting close to last year's NAD T742's price too at $399. There's always something else a bit beyond! If I were you (but I'm not), I'd go either h/k avr-320 or Pioneer VSX-1014TX.

At that price point, I'd go for Harman/Kardon AVR230 at www.etronics.com for $319.99 or maybe: Pioneer VSX-D914K at www.etronics.com for $309.99 or if you really can't go that much: Harman/Kardon AVR130 at www.etronics.com for $262.99 The AVR230 has more features than the AVR130, and is really worth the extra $57. I would personaly use rule Denon at this price point. Someone was recommending a Panasonic digital amp in another thread for $360 shipped. But I don't know anything about digital amps myself.

Never tried it. My PC is two stories higher than my h/k receiver. But that sold for US$150! Where did you find it for $10? See the review here (not so great gadget): http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,22845,00.asp

On 11/10/2004 11:55:39 AM Frzninvt wrote: You could do it like I did, the La Scala is laying on its side with my 43" Sony RPTV perched on top of it. That way it is only 2' tall. Plus the fact that you can get a pair of La Scala's for just a bit more than Heresy's! US$300 to US$400 for Heresy's, US$500 to US$700 for La Scala's. Might be able to find a single La Scala for less than a pair of Heresy's... I'll definately try it on its side tomorrow...

On 11/10/2004 1:31:21 PM Frzninvt wrote: The La Scala has been DeanG'd (Type AA with the Jensen PIO caps) and can hold it's own without the Academy. I can switch out the Academy with the push of a button. My listening chair is off axis from the La Scala's horns but I can hear it fine. The primary reason for the Academy is a good number of the DVD's have poorly mixed dialogue and the Academy is there to make it more intelligible. I'm really surprised. But I guess a lot of people listen to vertical cornwall's vertically too! I'm also surprised because you actually have rare vertical cornwalls and could use one as a center easily. Have you tried that? Is it better than the LS? I would be very interested in the answer... If you decide to split them up for center use, I'll buy one from you! Tomorrow I will switch a La Scala over to the center channel output and will lie it on it's side to hear what that sounds like. If I like the result, I might try that (if I can get over the funny look it has on its side). There are a bunch in Toronto still available, if a bit overpriced. The Velodyne's housing is so solid that it will not even vibrate that table much under normal use. However, I rarely play albums even though I have over 650 of them. It is nice to plop one on the table when I am in the mood though. And I suppose it doesn't do much anyway with an LP playing!

On 11/10/2004 12:51:17 PM J.4knee wrote: Since I am not familiar with your TV I'll have ot ask a dumb question or two. Does it sit on a stand or does it sit on a speaker box of sort incorporated into it. If it just the speakerless TV why not try a split La Scala? Put the HF section above the TV and the Bass bin below it. I wish I had the model number with me, but it has a rather tallish integrated stand where its speakers are. No room below the screen. This is not an HDTV. It's a 52 inch Samsumg RPTV purchased in winter 2001.

---------------- On 11/10/2004 11:41:39 AM CaptnBob wrote: For some reason - differences in measuring techniques or something - the earlier LaScala literature claims a frequency response of 45hz.-17khz. + - 5dB, efficiency of 104 dB for one watt at four feet (107 with flat network), a driver consist of a K-77, a K-55-V and a K-33, with a power handling capacity of 70 watts. Crossover points are 400 and 6000 hz. I think we need to launch an investigation into what happened to those 8 cycles on the low end. ---------------- There had 45 Hz at -5dB and now it's 53 Hz at -3 dB. Could be the same... What's more interesting is 104 db at 1W and 4 feet compared to today's 104 db at 1W and 1 meter. I had seen someplace that the 104 dB at 4 feet translated to 106 dB at 1 meter. But I've never seen a 70W rating; always 100W (except for the industrial version at 200W).