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Great tip CP1. I have in fact snapped off the head of many a drywall screw. What do you suggest?

Thanks, Rdmarsiii! They sound great. Until this room I have always had surrounds behind me or behind and to the side a little. Now that I have them directly on either side of the listener I really like it. I toyed with the idea of speaker stands at ear level but it is a small-ish room (13.5 X 18) and I needed the floor space. First movie I watched with them this was Seven. I have seen that movie many times - never before did the rain sound so real (it rains throughout the entire movie). It was as if it was raining in my room. JM, you were the catalyst to get this done. I used your pix and guessed at how you did it. Once I got your email (I think you were quite busy then) I felt like I had at least captured the spirit of yours and figured I would not end up picking them off the floor. So far so good.

Mmmmmm. Industrial LaScala. I could make the drive to northern NY perhaps. Don't tell my wife. Those would be some killer outdoor speakers for around the pool this summer don't ya think? Like the others said...let us see some pix and serial numbers. You can probably sell them right here.

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Was not sure if I should post this in HT or General....so check out this post if you want info on how I mounted my Heresy for surrounds. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=67574

A couple of months ago I wanted to hang my Heresies from the wall/ceiling for surrounds. I saw a couple of posts with Heresies mounted and PMed members to pick their brains on how they did it. Not being the most patient person I needed them done that weekend so set out to look at existing pix and go from there. I eventually got some input form forum members, but I was already done. They pretty much had a similar variation of what I cam up with. This is what worked for me. Working fine so farno loud thumps in the night as they are still in place and very solid. I thought this might help somebody in the future. You will need a 2X4 and some plywood along with some 2 inch drywall screws, a drill and a Phillips head screwdriver. Cut the 2X4 into three pieces the exact same length. A lot will depend on the location of your wall studs and floor/ceiling joists. If you get lucky enough to have 2 studs fall across your desired listening location then I would go with 18-20 long pieces of 2X4. This will allow you to span the 2 studs (assuming they are on 16 centers) and have a really solid mount. I was not that lucky. I found the studs and wanted to be sure I was attached to at least one. However I felt my speaker placement was more important then the use of two studs (safety factor be damnedsound rules the roost at my home). With this in mind I struck out to mount the one piece of 2X4 into the stud and use two other in wall anchors for a total of three fasteners on the wall. For the one fastener mounted to the stud I used a 3 inch lag bolt for the other two you can find fasteners at Home Depot designed to hold 50 pounds in ½ inch drywall. They are basically bolts with a pointy collar around them that penetrates the drywall then flattens out inside the drywall. Somebody chime in herewhat are they? E-Z Anchor, toggle bolts, something else??? I figured a lag bolt plus two of those 50 pound things along with the ceiling mount was more then enough for my 40 some pound speaker. Next task is to figure out what angle you want the speakers mounted on. This will depend on the width of your room and listening location. Use those 10th grade algebra skills to draw a right triangle where the legs of the triangle are: A) Distance between your ear when seated and the wall minus 15 inches (I found 15 inches to be a good guess for depth of heresy plus/minus a bit for the fact that it is not going to be flat on the wall) Spot from A above to middle of heresy And the hypotenuse of the triangle is: C) the distance from the middle of the heresy to your ear when seated Now Calculate the angle between B and C. This is the angle you want to cut the plywood. The rest you can pretty much figure out from the pictures. Mount one piece of the 2X4 in the middle of the top part of the plywood (ceiling part) flush with the top edge of the plywood. I used two drywall screws on each side pre drilling a pilot hole. Now do the same with the wall portion of the plywood. Next mount this plywood and 2X4 contraption to the ceiling and wall using the correct combination of lag bolts, anchors as necessary. You might see from my picture that I used drywall screws to attach the ceiling 2x4 to hold it in place then ran the lag bolts in for added strength. Try to get the right angle of the plywood as close to the wall and ceiling as possible. You probably dont have an exactly 90 degree angle where the wall meets the ceiling due to drywall tape, mud and finishingbut do the best you can. I choose to run my speaker wire to a wall plate with banana connectors so I did not have to mess with attaching speaker wires behind the speaker once mounted. That would be a PITA. Simply run your wires to an electrical box attach the wires to the female banana thing-a-ma-jig and put the plate on the box. Next run a short set of wires from you Heresy to your banana plugs. Remove the back of the heresy (H II users you will have to get creative here). I figured 3 carriage bolts were more then enough to secure the last piece of 2x4 to the back panel. I used flat washers and lock washers inside with the nuts. You will notice the 2x4 mounted to the heresy is off center. This was to position the speaker where I wanted it relative to the mount that is now on the wall. Final step call a friend and have them hold the speaker in place while you run screws through the plywood sides into the 2x4 attached to the Heresy. Stick the banana plugs into the wall plate receptacles and you are ready to listen. Of course I did this all as a test fit with the intention of painting the mount black but never got around to it. I am truly lazy at the core of my being. Now if you look close you see bare plywood behind the heresy. Hey give me a break it is dark and you should be watching the movie!

You might be right about the shipping. My zip is 21154 and I would estimate them to weigh about 8-10 pounds. Too bad you don't live in Toronto I have a friend there that comes down from time to time. He could have brought them back for you and you could pick them up in person. Probably not that difficult to make, matching veneer and finishing might be the toughest. If yours are black then it should be pretty simple..

Jim, did you get any feel for the LPs? What type of music and the condition? I might be interested could I talk you into helping with shipping if he does not want to? Thanks, Rich EDIT: I called about LPs got answering machine...waiting for a call back.

What finish are yours? I have two pair of WO Heresies pulling surround duty mounted on my walls. Both came with risers and are not needed. I have toyed with the idea of ebay or keeping them incase they ever move to a place that needs them. However I am in a get-rid-of-junk-taking-up-space-mood. I might be able to be talked in to giving them away if you talk to me real nice or at the very least selling them cheap. You would have to prove yourself a worthy forum member by promising to return a favor to a fellow forum member some day or at the very least not take them from me for free and turn around and sell them on ebay. BTW mine are from original heresiescan anyone confirm that they are the same or different for HII? You interested, martindemon?

I love KG4s. If you had the room I would get 3 more and a sub. 5 KG4s would be killer.

I 2nd the question as to what is inside? Would the shorthorn make a good center between two khorns?

--What about the sound quality between 12 year old amps and todays latest technology? Thanks-- I think it would be hard to tell unless you could A/B them side by side. I just bought a 1960-ish Scott amp for two channel use and my Carver amps are early 1990s. You also see a lot of people trying to dig up the vintage gear (amps, TTs, etc). My gut tells me that today it is more about the money then the sound. Not like 1992 was a long time ago in grand scheme of things and Bob Carver has always been known for sticking to his guns rather then listening to board members. Bottom line I don't think you would be unhappy either way. In a perfect world given unlimited time I would scrounge up the old TFMs then find a store that would let you in home demo the Sunfire. If you like the Sunfire better you could sell the TFMs for about what you have in them. If you like the TFMs better give em and give back the Sunfire. Probably not a realistic scenarios...but a sure way to tell. Last week there was some discussion about multiple 2 channel amps vs. a single multi-channel amps and Frzn and others confirmed my feeling that separate power supplies, caps, and the like have their pros. I personally like the look of a lot of amps in a rack. Looks more like a professional studio to me. However it depends on what you like and the space you have. Kriton is right about the space it surely takes up more of it. Not sure I agree with him about the wiring. You still have to hook up all the channels and all the speakers regardless if they are to one box or many.

I have Forte IIs and Chorus Is. The CIs don't have a passive but if I remember correctly Forte I and II both have passives in the back. You will need to consider the placement. If your room is big enough that you can put some space between the forte and wall and still have room for seating you should be good. There will be some difference in sound between the FI and FII, but using for surround duty I don't think you will have any issues. For HT applications I personally like the CI for the reason you don't have to have so much space behind them. Sounds like you are well on your way to a great sounding system. Good Luck

I believe he has a TGIV and is wondering if he should get a multi-channel sunfire amp or look for more TFM-45 2 channel amps to go with the TGIV. BTW TGIV is a pre/pro not a receiver. If he did not already have one TFM-45 I might suggest he go with the multi-channel sunfire. However, since he already has one AND assuming (not always safe to assume) he likes it. I would consider getting two more TFM-45s for a 6.1 set up and go from there. He can always sell the old carver amps for close to what he buys them for. Maybe more if he buys in the summer and sells in the winter. Just my $0.02. I listened to a TGIV with the sunfire 5 channel amp and liked it. So much so I bought the TGIV. For me I like the sound of the older carver TFM amps and since I had already had a TFM-25 I went the route of tracking down more TFMs rather then getting the new sunfire multi-channel amps. Hey, interesting side note this is my 500th postman I need to lay off this obsession for a while.

The nice thing about the old gear is the price is pretty stable. You could probably buy a few more 45s try them for a year or so, then sell them for about what you paid for them if you wanted.

norcuron, not 100% sure of what you are asking...but if you already have 1 TFM-45 I would seriously consider looking for a few more. I have 4 Carver TFM-25s working with my Sunfire TGIV and love it. Sure the 5-7 channel amps take up less space. But I like having multiple 2 channel amps with seperate power supplies. Give it some thought.

So when should GaryMD and I make our plans to come take them off of you? Name the day and the price.

If two please were not enough please, Please, PLEASE!

If they are WO you DO NOT want to keep them you want to sell them to me....please please!!!

---------------- On 6/23/2005 12:37:29 PM Frzninvt wrote: "I do have a lot of cords to keep pluged in and buttons to switch on." Rich, you don't have a Panamax or similar unit to plug those amps into so when you turn on your preamp/receiver it turns everything else on? I push one button and everything else turns on, staggered too. Amps on last and off first. ---------------- I have a furman conditioner but everyting is just plugged into that. I have though about getting a sequencer of some type. Just have not...for now it is not that big of a deal to turn them on one at a time.

Cool, I am in good shape then. I don't have much of an electronics background, but my gut feeling was that 3 two channel amps just had to be better then 1 six channel amp. All other things being equal. I do have a lot of cords to keep pluged in and buttons to switch on. Sort of like launching the space shuttle when I power up for a movie. Thanks for the input!

Sunfire Theater Grand IV Pre/Pro. Sounds great, looks great, simple to use. It is mated with 4 Carver TFM-25 2 channel amps for 8 X 225 Watts, though I only need 7 of the 8 channels. Hmmm, what to do with that other one. I have loved the sound of the Carver TFM since the early 90s. Been thinking of a multi-channel HT amp, but can't really justify it. I also like the idea of having separate power supplies and transformers for every two channels rather then one for 7 channels. Not sure if that really matters, but makes me sleep better at night. And hey, what looks cooler then a bunch of amps stacked up in a rack???

I am quite certain it has something to do with panda bears given to the U.S. by China.

---------------- On 6/22/2005 3:23:21 PM garymd wrote: It'll definitely work with the Scott. I think the output needs to be at least 2.0mV. Can't give you an opinion on the cart since I've never heard one. Are you not satified with the Goldring? ---------------- Gary, I am not unhappy with the Goldring...but my gut tells me that if I get a 175 $$ cart with the TT that there has to be room for improvement. I like the Bass of the Goldring, but I feel like the sound stage is missing over the Shure you lent me with the Thorens. My voices don't sound nearly as "in the middle" of the room Roy, Thanks for the info on the Dyna. I have read good things and thought I would end up with one when I was going with a Scout TT...things changed, so now I am thinking I could get the Cart for the time being and work toward the TT

Anyone out there using a Dynavector 10X5 cartridge? Thinking about a used MC version. Particularly interested in knowing if it would be a small, large or no step forward over the stock Goldring 1012GX that came with my Musichall mmf-5. Thought it might be nice to check out a MC over a MM cartridge. This is the high output variety MC cart. That should work with my Scott 222C right? All thought and opinions welcome - Thanks!