ClaudeJ1

No, just Butt ugly JBL's. Impressive, he must own a warehouse. Just a jab at COYTEE, ClaudeJ1....that's why Mike is King ,because he has Klipsch...although, if I didn't have Klipsch, JBL would be my next choice.... Mine too, I have JBL 2404 Tweeters on my Khorns, I like tweeters that get to 20Khz and have wide dispersion. I have been buying used EV DH1A drivers, which Roy Delgado said were good drivers (he curved one for me at the Pilgrimage). I will probably build my own Tractrix horns for them, but will use JBL tweeters, until I can afford Jubilees.

No, just Butt ugly JBL's. Impressive, he must own a warehouse.

Two points: 1) This is not an analog/digital issue. Geoff Emerick was smashing/compressing Beatles stuff through a Fairchild about 40 years back--and the old fogeys hated it then too. Today musicians are lined up to have Vlado Mellor (at $495/hr), or Sterling Sound, or whoever-- clip their mix through an AD-122, because that is the sound they want. Now....different 'loudness' issues are being conflated here but the really smashed sound so prevelent today is Artist driven -- done by big studios and independants. And lots of engineers are scrambling to catch on the loudness learning curve that bands are demanding. 2) It is a bit unfair to characterize PWK's CD views via a single 22 year old conversation. Despite what he said at that moment in time--he did eventually listen to CDs at home. Mark 1) Good point. I didn't mean to make it so. Actually he didn't use the word "hate" he said "didn't like." Like it or not, we are all becoming old fogeys too ;>) Since the big dollars have always come from teenagers, whose entire income and allowance is disposable, I'm not surprised that dynamic AND data compression for iPods and clones are the order of the day for the biz. 2) Perhaps it is an unfair characterization in a sense, but I didn't get much of a chance to speak with him after that as other priorities in my life took over. I was rather surprised by his response at the time, and my impression was that it would be difficult to change his mind. I actually sent him a reel to reel tape (which was his medium of choice) made from the best Telarc CD's of the time (1985), but I'm not sure it contributed to changing his mind or not, about CD quality or commercial recordings, since the Telarc digitals, as far as I knew then, were made with his preferred miking technique in his own recordings. Someone posted a snapshot of one of his letters here on the forum quoting Doug Sax of Sheffield Labs and denouncing the "overkill" dynamic range of CD's. Not sure of the date. So his listening to CD's later may have come from the much improved D/A sections of most players over time, along with a reluctant accomodation, evolving away from a fading storage and playback medium.

22 years ago, I was a guest of PWK at his home. He told me he hated CD's and referred to ALL commercial recordings as "Dilute Stereo" and that he would NOT listen to them. For a few hours, he played me some of his own recording of symphonies, with a few jazz guests musicians, but always full orchestra. That was some of the best sound I ever heard. Lots of depth and realism. He told me he did all his recordings with 2 spaced omni microphones. Looks like time has proven him more correct than he was back then.

Chicago is only 6 hours away so we could meet halfway if you are serious. He's only 2 channel and his wife wants him to shrink the foot print. I'm trying to sell some Choruses, so maybe I can trade him and sell the Horizontal Cornwalls. His wife is involved so I'm not sure how it will go. Did you want the pair or just one? I will get some pix if he decides. I don't think I can lose on the trade.

While I don't know why they were made that way for 2 channel (very large "bookshelf?"), they seem to be the ticket for a 5.1 system since they can "lay low" below an HD TV or projection on the wall.

My brother might have a pair of these for sale. They were professionally veneered in Oak. They have the horns turned 90 degrees. Are they worth more as single center front in a 5.1 system?

My brother has a pair of Horizontal Cornwalls he is thinking of selling. He bought the cabinets from a musician who had pulled all the drivers out to use for PA. He got them Oak Veneered and bought all new drivers and Xovers about 20 years ago. They should work really well for you in the center. I'm sure someone else would buy the other one who is in the same boat. Email or PM me if interested.

My brother might have a pair of these for sale. They were professionally veneered in Oak. They have the horns turned 90 degrees. Are they worth more as single center front in a 5.1 system?

Well you did a good job AFAI can tell. Thank you. The main reason I even asked is because I wanted to find out if there is any attenuation going on with the tweeter horn. If so, how much, because I may be interested in using a Cornwall III tweeter (tractrix) with my newly acquired LaScala cab for the 6th channel on my 6.1 receiver, I have a K5J from 1956 with a JBL LE 85 driver, which is 16 ohms, so if the Cornwall III tweeter is effcicient enough, I could run it straight into the 2 uF capacitor of my "A: Xover and maybe bypass the autoformer if I needed less attenuation. I know the Cornwall III specs out at 102 db efficiency, which is only 2 db away from a LaScala/Khorn, so that tweeter may be useful. If it's being attenuated on a Cornwall III, then I know it would work with a La Scala. Mostly I want to know if there is an Lpad or autoformer being used on that tweeter. tweeter K-107-TI 1" (2.54cm) Titanium diaphragm compression driver high frequency hornK-79-T Tractrix

Sure I would love a photo of the cornwall III schematic, you are the first to respond. Are you curious enough to do it? If it's like the Chorus, is should be attached to the plastic cup that holds the speaker connectors. thanks in advance.

Anyone have one sketched out or a picture of the Xover?

I'm driving 2 Khorns, 1 LaScala, a Chorus II rears with an Onkyo, 6xxx series. Gorgeous sound. I have had Khorns for 30 years, and this is as good of an amp as I've ever had with 2-channel, including Marantz tubes.

OK, so I'm assuming that the Autoformer taps are, in effect in series/parallel with the cap value feeding the coil of each respective driver, so I need to consider the inductances of the Autoformer as part of the Xover point?

I have a digital meter, so I can only measure the DC ohms of a voice coil, which is about 13 ohms for the JBL mid driver and about 6 ohms for the tweeter. Both appear to be close to a K55V and a K77 in terms of nominal rating, but I'm not sure.

Got a great deal today for sure ($35). Gave it a sponge bath inside and out to get rid of dust and dog hair. It's Fir plywood, not birch, like my 1977 center channel La Scala. This one will make the 6th channel in my 6.1 setup (presently 5.1). Thanks for pointing this out, Bob. Co-incidentally, I had to pick up a couch for my college daughter only 3 miles from this guy's house. I'll have to pull my K33 E from the Peavey FH-1 and plug in my Klipsch K5J horn with the JBL LE85 and use a spare JBL 2404. I just need to get a fine threaded screw (one missing) from the hardware store to mount the woofer. Anyone know what year this cab was built? I enlarged the Ser. #. It also came with a Peerless 70 Volt Xformer, which I removed. We'll see how it plays tomrrow. I have a boatload of film capacitors, so I will listen to these first before I upgrade them. Bob, can I run the tweeter and the midrange off separate taps on the autoformer? Pretty the JBL stuff is way more efficient than the Atlas stuff and the drivers don't match each other in efficiency.

Well, I rescued the Xover, Bob, and got the empty LaScala cab for $10. The whole thing required a major sponge bath, but it lives. I will upload pictures.

So why couldn't you be in Atlanta or someplace closer? I would jump on that if I were close by. Bruce OK, so how about if we meet for lunch in Cincinnati, then? I'll bring the speakers, you bring the cash.

She's got 2 but I married the youngest and best looking of the 3.

Understood. My fiancee co-signed for my original Klipschorns 30 years ago this year, right before we were married. They arrived right after the honeymoon, so she left for the day so my 2 music buddies and I (with some imported beers) could set them up and enjoy them. She also arranged for me to tour the factory in Hope for my 31st birthday 22 years ago. She came along and we spent the day with Mr. and Mrs. Paul W Klipsch. What a woman!!

These will go up on Ebay in a few days, but I posted here first. The other speaker's serial is #8923142. claudej1@aol.com

more photos. No major nicks anywhere. Beautiful grain and color. Tight bass, great sound, but you already know that.

Pair in excellent condition. Consecutive serial numbers. Detroit Area. Pickup only. Asking $595. will deliver to 50 mile radius.

I know that most Klipsch listeners have been known as "DB freaks" at one time or another, myself included. However, I feel that we should follow the advice of PWK about protecting our hearing for the long haul and to listen at levels that are more "realistic" to real music, with perhaps a real symphony as reference or a smal club Jazz ensemble. According to OSHA, we can toloerate 90 db levels in a factory for an 8-hour shift without permanent hearing loss. 93 db for 4 hours, 96 db for 2 hrs, and so on. I'm not sure that these numbers are conservative enough. The people that set up the standards for 5.1 specificatons feel that, for the home, 85 db should be a "normal" listening level, with the system allowing for 105 db peaks at all requencies without distortion. Since even the Klipsch computer speakers can meet this criteria, how many of you monitor your listening levels with a Radio Shack sound meter? I do it and find that from around 85 to 88 db level at my listning postition gives me satisfying results. If you guys measure, what is the average listening level for YOU?