Dan-OH!~

djk - I fail to see where/how we differ..., unless you're saying that the T-35 doesn't directly radiate it's sound..... my reference was to FOLDED horns......, ...the fact that Alembec used T-35's for the Wall fo Sound's tweeters....., would seem to be one more reason why Cornwalls are such fine speakers for listenin to the Dead (as I said....) I do believe we are actually in aggreement.... Dan-OH!~

Will do eq...., here's a little project update...., I went to http://www.deadbase.com/ where they have a nice DB w/search engine, to find out what list of shows had these Jazz greats visiting and came up with the following dates.... Ornette Coleman 2/23/93, 12/09/93 David Murray 9/22/93, 2/26/95 Branford Marsalis 3/28 & 29/90 (prob. the shows that some of the Without a Net tracks came from w/Branford) 12/31/90, 9/10/91, 12/10/93 & 12/16/94 I have the 2/23/93 show on DAT and will be lending it to a friend to transcribe to CD..., 9/10/91 is available for free download in .shn format (w/NO compression loss) at http://www.gdlive.com so I'll pull that entire show down..., I've asked the help of some of my "cyber-buddy's" in pulling together some material from these other shows. I plan on making a 1 - 2 CD compilation set, may throw in a track or 2 from the Grissman/Garcia So What CD (although that's not quite in the Jazz/Dead theme...). I'll also be making some entire show copies for myself and trading friends.. as a side thought, if one wanted to take a tangent on this theme, in the mean time, you could check out Without a Net, which does include several cuts with Branford, or as a slightly diff. twist, either of the "Jazz is Dead" releases, which has a fine group of musicians, playing Dead tunes, in a more Jazzy tradition....., includin the talents of Jimmy Herring (Aquarium Resque Unit), Alphonso Johnson and a couple of guys that were in the Dixie Dregs.... relative to Allan's 72 Berkely show, it must of been one of the following... Date Venue 08-21-72 Berkeley Community Theatre, Berkeley, Ca. 08-22-72 Berkeley Community Theatre, Berkeley, Ca. 08-24-72 Berkeley Community Theatre, Berkeley, Ca. 08-25-72 Berkeley Community Theatre, Berkeley, Ca. that must've been their only Berkeley run that year... ....I'm having some fun with this little project, once the CD's are ready, I'll need your mailin addresses...., you can email them to Dan_Schwenn@Maxtor.com ...have a Grate one, Dan-OH!~

WOW, Cornwall procurement, has really been poppin.. that must be 3 newly acquired sets, just amongst participants on this board....., WELCOME ALL to the "club" TOO bad EV doesn't have some sort of low vol. discounts..., sounds like quite a few of us were set for some new T-35 diaphrams...., I've been procrastinating on the purchase of some for some time.. ....wondering about the diff.s between the EV's and the much pricier Klipsch versions.... (reportedly with some extra backing ring....???), I couldn't decide on which to go for...., but now I think I'll pull the trigger on some of these reasonably priced EV's.. (anyone got the handle on the Atlas Diaphrams for the squawker???? I'd like to refresh those also....) fini, don't feel too bad not detecting the open Tweeter, ..if that B crossover was done like many of the rest.., the squawker is actually left open ended (not limited on it's high end output....) and can do a pretty good job of covering for the Tweeter...., so upon an initial audition, it could have sounded "normal". ....there sure has been an influx of Cornwall purchases and associated discussions, 'round here of late... Dan-OH!~

well, Allen...., since I sort of opened this door... I may have to see if I can round up some prime examples, of Jazz Greats, standin in with the Dead and burn them to some sort of compilation CD.... it sounds like a good challenge (that could take me a while)...., watch this space, and if I can come up with a good example, I'll get back in touch with ya....., If I can find some good examples to download... it'll go the quickest..., if it involves some DAT->CD work it may take a little longer.... it could be a good selection to have around, for anyone that might not be that familiar with the Dead, but do appreciate Jazz..., ...it will still sound like some extended jammin..., these guys didn't come around to do a sing-a-long to Truckin..., but it should be more of the sort that you may like... eq - "all the years combined...", should add up to something....

Allan, it sounds like, if nothing else, you had an interesting day back there in 72...., believe it or not, if you could remember the approx. time of the year, we could probably list the set list, to that 3 hr. jam...., their shows have been VERY well documented. I've given up on trying to understand, let alone to explain why they can sound so good to so many of us..., and not to others.... in a way they're like Klipsch speakers...., to us our Klipsh's are one of the best creations, made by man, to listen to our favorite tunes...., to some others they're "harsh" or don't sound "right" (the coloration they've grown accsutomed to, isn't present, IMHO...) the Dead always pushed the envelope on sound equip. too.... (especially in those days) and many times, paid the price in "tech. difficulties....", long delays, etc. I've seen their infamous "Wall of Sound" (designed and built by Alembec, used circa 73, 74) written up in text books on sound system design. ..in those days, they had a very "familiar" relationship with the audience....., sounds like Bob was just explaining the delay... ...perhaps, sometime if you're given the opp. you ought to give yourself and your Cornwalls a treat...., and play some more recent (early 90's), Dead show material, from when the likes of Branford Marsalis, Ornette Coleman or David Murry, felt inclined to stand in with them....., if the Jazz twist might turn your ear, a little better... Branford was doing it often enough, that he almost earned honorary band membership.... Dan-OH!~

Tom, from what you said... "It also means that the speaker in the photo showing the up arrow sticker(which is the left speaker in the vertical mode), becomes the right speaker in the lowboy mode. " ...so this convention would always have the horns UP and Outbound?? That's what works the best in my current application.. I bet you're still enjoying the "break-in"... Dan-OH!~

I find it interesting (and very understandable), that you went for your favorite DEAD CD, for your 1st listen.... ..the 3 regional sets of Cornwalls (including mine), that I'm aware of, probably spend the majority of their time, playin Dead, or "Dead related" tunes.. In my opinion (and obviously that of a couple of friends of mine...), Cornwalls are THE speaker to play Dead with...., talk about the "take ya there" sort of Live sound reality....., I've heard nothing else that will emulate the true concert sound as well.... ...they may not have folded horns (like the Khorns, Belles and La Scala's)..... but the "Wall of Sound" didn't have anything but DIRECT RADIATION either... have fun listenin... Dan-OH!~

Those look like some FINE Cornwalls...., ...it's interesting that these wouldn't have been designated as II's, for having the mirror, vertical horn setup. Maybe by 72 they stopped using that designation.. I see your's also have the "this end UP" sticker for std. or "Lowboy" placement (which still seems unique to risorless examples...). Are your horns on the same side as the PWK emblem, or the opposite side? You should be one happy buyer.... Dan-OH!~

Allan, what does the text say on that second sticker? I wonder if they only included that second sticker on spkr's that were not shipped with a factory riser... (seems like that would be the case..) Does the emblem rotate, so it could have the proper orientation in the "low boy" position?? You did a nice job on your home spun risers...., from the photo, I wouldn't have spotted that they were not factory... Dan-OH!~

Allan, those look VERY similar to my 65's, that ARE designated II's, but as yet another (never ending??) twist to the differences in these "special" Cornwalls, my PWK emblems are mounted on the opp. side of the horns rather than the same corner, as yours are...., It is interesting, with these being somewhat rare, that there have been like 3 sets available between here and ebay, in the last month..... I'm still wondering (and I guess I should post to THAT thread..), about the set that sounded like they were intended for either "standard" or "Lowboy" staging..., ....those must not have risers..., and a pivoting emblem?????? ....I think Jim should buy one of these sets of early II's, so he can perform and report... an A - B, B comparison, to his 2 sets of standard Cornwalls..., and resolve some of these vertical vs horizontal horn notions, for us....., Dan-OH!~

going back through this thread..., and catching up on some responces ... cc1091 - back to the question of common components.., it would appear that the only component that's diff. between the orig. Cornwall, and "old" II's would be the "motor-board" (love that term for it, must be of Brit origin)..., the panel which the spkr's are mounted to. all other components including the crossover are the same.... Ray - that "wierd" look, must be one of those "eye of the beholder" things..., to me they look logical. Speakers having to look just alike (rather than mirror images of each other), must be a product of conditioning. On another note, After reading one of your other posts a while back....., I tried swapping my mirrored II's around, so that the Horns were inbound (as you had stated something about that being the rec. positioning) and found that, at least in my listening room, to my ears....., I went from having FANTASTIC (your setting in the same room with the artist.....) "Imaging", to nearly none (it was much more like you were just listening to a couple of stereo spkr's in a room....). Thus I pulled the 2 wheeled hand truck, back into the house, and swapped 'em back to Horn's outbound (don't like to drag those metal feet across our tile floor...., and I sure don't lift these without some form of assistance....). djk - it would seem to me, to be a bit of a stretch, to say that early Cornwall II's were "intended" for Lowboy usage. They did offer them in either version (although as I recall, the Cornwall II was the only Klipsch with this Lowboy offering). I believe I saw that same literature on ebay and the Lowboy was shown to the right of the std. upright model (infering to me, that it was another option). I would assume that these Lowboy's may have been preffered in some theater or auditorium type applications. I can't imagine that it was a very popular home item. I've been searching the web a little, to see if I could find the spec.s including dispersion patterns for these horns, but I haven't had any luck finding that level of detail...., does anyone else have such in "soft" form??? Dan-OH!~

They used the same drivers and horns, their orientation and placement is the only difference...., I'm going to have to see about getting some images of my oldie II's one of these times and post them... the orig. cane grills have at least by become, see through enough, that you could easily distinguish the spkr placement. The I's and later II's have the horns mounted horiz. and on centerline of the cabinet (inline with and directly above the Woofer). The old time, (special order) II's have the Woofer offset to one side (but at appr. the same hieght), while both the Squawker & Tweeter Horns are rotated 90 deg. and offset to the opp. side of the woofer (and to my eye and perception, are mounted slightly higher). They were made in matched "Mirrored" pairs..... I most certainly LOVE the sound from mine...., but they ARE needing an estetic upgrade... Dan-OH!~

these had caught my eye and interest also...., I was tempted to write the seller to inquire if the horns were vertically oriented, or not...., (although I have no actual interest in buying this pair) they are obviously some "early II's", the labels are basically the same as my 67's (which DO have factory risors), but these current units on ebay, do not seem to be "mirrored", even though they have consecutive s/n's....., take note that the PWK emblems are on the same side.., on my "mirrored" II's the emblems are also on opposite sides. relative to spkr placement, I'd always set mine with the horns to the outside, until I saw some rec. to the contrary on this board...., I switched them to the inside, but I believe I'll be going back to the outbound horn orientation...., I've yet to figure out which might really be the "standard" method. Dan-OH!~

Ray, I had only acted on intuition (which apparently might be wrong) when I've set my mirrored Cornwalls up, with the horns set to the outside...., just seemed more right. I've not tried setting them up with the horns inbound......., I also was about to report that I thought these set up a rather defined "sweet spot" (with me trying to point the horns directly at the sweet spot), but I may have been 90 degrees out of whack, on that dispersion notion also.... do you know the rational for setting the horns up, inbound in the pair???? Dan

That backside/internal pic, sure looks like familiar territory, to my model CD15, circa 65 Cornwall II's..., only diff. I see is that my Woofer is the K-33-J, with a big round magnet housing. mine were originally black. I'm guessing many of these black models may have been hung in theaters and the like..., these went to a private home, where the original ownwer elected to paint them off white (???), I'm still waffling between repainting them black (which would match the rear surround col.s that I purchased recently), or applying a nice veneer. ...so presently they do NOT look so good, but they DO SOUND SO FINE!! Dan

gee, my 1st time of having an opinion/responce asked of me on this board..... I guess one should reply.. ... I guess over all, I wouldn't limit my search for either a I or a II, but rec. keeping your options open to both...., depending more on the condition & sound (if you can get to them to listen....) of a given pair of Cornwalls. I LOVE my circa 65 II's, which are probably pretty similar to Allen's, in that they have the mirrored, vertical Horn placement (and older drivers, & magnets). A couple of my friends have circa 80-ish I's that also sound EXCELLENT...., in their listening inviroments... but I've not had an opp., to do a good A-B comparison on either. I took a look on the set that was being refered to on Ebay, in Texas....., and if you could go give them a listen, I'd check them out......., ..otherwise, for Cornwalls as old as Allen's and mine, where the same components were used in both I's & II's and horn placement was the only diff. I'd certainly lean towards the vertical mirrored placement of the II's...., seems to just make more sense. I wonder if they are any less prone to the effect of the woofer talking to the squaker's horn, etc..., it would seem the primary direction of the sound waves would be at more of a glancing angle.... I can also see where they might make a different sound stage... Dan

Weiming, That must have been SOME KIND of shipping charges to get those big puppies all the way to Singapore. For that kind of money, I'd think that UPS would make things right, somehow. Once the repairs are made, I'm sure you'll be very happy with them. Between Cornwall ownership (I have some circa 65 Cornwall II's) and the fact that I visit your country occassionally for work, we have a couple of things in common. Enjoy your new additions... Dan