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I was going to ask if cameras were allowed, but as it sounds like attendees get to see things close to requiring non disclosure agreements I decided to only bring a camera for photographing the Klipshanatics outside the headquarters. But then it occured to me that there may be some public showroom type areas where photographs would be appropriate... See honey, this is what I want, isn't it pretty and not that big (the right camera angle can make a somewhat normal house look like a mansion, so why not make a Klipschorn or La Scala look a bit smaller than a small refrigerator ). (remember the Southfork Ranch on Dallas?, the house while not shabby or tiny looks much less grand in real life) My cell phone doesn't have a camera (industrial grade Nextel) - but really interferes horrendously bad with amplifiers and I'm sure other more sensitive electronics gear as well so would at least turn it off anyway.... Maybe you should make people sign a release and arm everyone with tasers should anyone try to gather too much information or get carried away in the engineering department (OK, time to get back to work so can get some much needed sleep)

Hey, if the Klipsch techies want to talk technical, GO FOR IT! I probably won't be able to understand much of it anymore, not that I ever could anyway, but I'd at least find it fun and interesting.... might be interesting to see if I can still decipher any amount of engineer speak.... Besides that, a demo of recording live music and then playing it back or having the live music repeated, out of site, as I read PWK did in his home years ago would be fascinating and very informative. I agree with whoever to let the Klipsch folks talk about whatever they want to share - they should have fun too after all - and if they want to speak engineer - then just do it - maybe put up a gong when it's time for someone else (anyone remember Chuck Barris' "The Gong Show"?) Maybe a demo of Klipsch speakers versus the comparably or more expensive competition. Not much of a competition, but could be interesting. Some of the PWK tapes sounds interesting... It would be a blast to know who, names, or companies represented, or overly generalized descriptions (to avoid any possible legal entanglements) the PWK showed his infamous BULL@^$% buttons to (I had thought he handed them out. What little exposure I've had to the "high end", I'm sure many who claim to be "high end" got a flash, or even long hard look.... (what they called CD resolution, sounded like a lot of hiss and other noise in the high frequencies to me, but what did I know I'm not an audiophile, but more a music lover - DUH isn't that's what this whole hifi thing is about? And movie soundtracks now of course, but seems that the requirements for getting it right are pretty much the same, the best my tin ears can tell (can't carry a tune in a bucket, that's we have boomboxes and portable music players)

Definitely will have to check out the Jazz Kitchen one of these days..... Not sure I was aware it existed even though I've lived an hour from Indy for almost 13 years now

Santa Klipsch is coming to town.... Christmas in June[H]

I might be able to help with some heavy lifting.... even worked as a human forklift in a summer job a few times many years ago, man, if I'd been paid by the ton....

So, See. Y'all (I did live in Texas for 5 years in the late 80's early 90's and really reqret not making a side trip to Hope on the way to and from Hoosier land around the holidays.....) are giving away a set of speakers. Jubilees no less with a lot of really cool history. Put my name in the hat. I'd use them as my main speakers (to replace my 20+ budget 2 ways slapped together in college 20+ years ago)... I think my teeanaged daughter even thought the Jubilee's looked pretty cool when I pulled up a picture (or she was just trying to humor me) and was maybe even excited when I mentioned the block party potential with (some serious effort) to haul them out to the patio.... heeheee.... don't like the music from across the field? or the 19-20 year old a couple of houses down - time to listen to what we want ... and could probably do that with my old Radio Shack receiver bought in high school back in 1978 or so, rated at a whopping 12 watts per channel (more than enough power, probably painfully lo fi for such revealing speakers). Makes me want to come by myself - more people are more competition [H] I still plan on telling anyone that might be interested anyway as way too much fun to pass up.... might have almost had a guest in my younger daughter's soccer coach but he'll be on vacation If I were to win, I think I'd have to return them should I ever want to get rid of them, but then I'd be insane (is that really bad, sane is good, don't I want to be in sane? or in sanity?) by then anyway. Suspect my kids would fight over them so fat chance of 'em getting out of the family. When we finally talked more in passing to the sweet widowed lady accross the street when we about to move from Plano Texas a few years back, she was complaining that her kids just wanted her speakers... my first thought Khorns or Belle Klipsch? Almost asked, but then afraid I might try to take advantage of her - might've solved her problem but I'd have felt guilty Definitely sign me up. I'll allow visitation. And I'm sure would keep them forever or until I become unsane, or my children have me committed so they can take them.

Already have .... and am looking forward to this already. Wish I'd have known about such things earlier living approx 1hr from the Klipsch Indy headquarters pretty much since I returned to Indiana in 1994. Of course this might create some problems with the wife ... once I spend a few hours listening to Klipsch speakers, I'm sure I'll have to get some and have been needing to improve my low budget 2 way speakers I slapped together towards the end of college 20+ years ago. She's good about catching stereo and speakers when I speak of spending any real coin. Not opposed to it, but not quite (yet) understanding the importance of really good audio. I've been good at avoiding stores that sell the really good stuff, keep putting it off until I can afford it, time for plan B [H] May have to investigate the used market. But I saved $$$ over buying them new... (maybe dtel should clone and sell his wife's audio genes....)

Yeah, I'd take a set of the JBL Everest DD66000 too if anyone wanted to give them to me ... maybe could trade them for the real thing?

Klipsch Phono Cartridge? I didn't know Klipsch made phono cartridges. I learned something new today so can leave work and go home happy now.... came back to work to finish up some stuff and haven't yet got back to work... Thinking a set of the Klipsch multimedia speakers would sound really good right now ... as I'm listening to my Grado SR-60's as speakers powered by my Creative Labs Zen Xtra - great headphones, especially for the $, but somewhat wimpy desktop speakers with this little power - though the sound is surprisingly good.... But I would still want the Jubs at this point ...

Very beatiful speakers Rigma. Thanks to Coytee for posting the link http://www.jubilation.ws/

Yes. Looking very good. And you really might want to consider wearing some shoes when working with wood sealer not to mention that some foot protection is a good thing when working with lumber of any kind. [H]

I had initially limited my choices to those in Trey's list.... Going outside that, I'd have to include the 60th anniversay Khorns and LaScala II, probably the LaScalla II ahead of the Khorns as I have no suitable corners... but if I'm dreaming anyway. There are some other offerings from other companies I'm intrigued by, larger Magnepans, Ohm Walsh, and some of the Legacy offerings. That said, Klipsch is the one brand I've thought I'd always have to audition before actually plunking down any real money and I've always dreamed of Klipschorns, 2 then 4 with a Belle or LaScala in the middle. My main speakers are a pair of 8" 2 ways using Peerless drivers I slapped together in college. I'm sure after the Pilgrimage I'll have to break down and get some real speakers (with no real budget, the Quintet III are probably about the most affordable way to get into surround sound....and soundwise probably would be hard to match in quality at twice the price. But back on topic, and after a bit more reading in the forum, I'd have to go with the Jubs, 2nd choice LaScala II (outside the list), 3rd choice Cornwall. I'm excited to get a chance to hear the Jubs and other newer things.... so if I'm going to dream of free speakers, at least go with something that I could fit into my current home... The Jubs might not pass the WAF. But maybe could be found acceptable, think of them as really cool industrial sculpture (not plug ugly as somebody said... I think tongue in cheek) think Frank Lloyd Wright's form follows function ideal (or was that someone else, the steel trap mind has gotten a bit rusty... thanks to the Klipsch forum for dusting off my audio cobwebs a bit [H]) - these babies are a work of art. Of course, could be payback for my wife not allowing me to keep the family moose antlers (I wish I would have, but she sounded serious about dumping me when I brought up the idea...) though I'd think she'd come around after living with such awesome sound for a few weeks... after all, she's put up with my homebuilt speakers with no grilles for > 20 years now

Trey, I've been planning on coming since I stumbled onto the pilgrimage announcement a few weeks ago. Probably just on Saturday and taking a break around noon for daughter's soccer game and return later that afternoon. I'm sure a lot of the measurements and things will be WAY over my head, but I used to read a lot and at one time condsidered going into some sort of audio engineering, then found my way into architecture school and graduated with BS in Environment Design and then MA in comp sci. Had I not thought I needed to get into the real world, not to mention the cost of higher education, I might have pursued acousitc design, music halls and the like. Back when I realized Klipsch had moved it's headquarters to Indianapols, my first thought was maybe I could get a job there someday, maybe there's a really good employee discount program. After 20 years with the same company, it'd be hard to start over, and me and long commutes (+- an hour from current home) don't get along and not going to move my family unless I have to with a 6th grader and junior in high school. (Of course there is telecommuting part of the time and Klipsch just seems like it be a great place to work...) It seems like the Klipsch employees are very passionate about their work - from what little exposure I've had to high-end audio (by including Klipsch in that, I mean that as a compliment) a lot of the people I've come into contact with do have a lot of passion, a lot also would be candidates for PWK's BULL$@$%! button and probably wouldn't consider Klipsch audiophile level of sound... But after catching a few reviews of Klipsch products over the last 28 to 30 years , many sounding like they don't want to like the sound, I don't think any could find anything bad to say and could (sometime grudgingly) come up with good things to say - most recently, not really a review but in an article by Sam Tellig in Stereophile (probably considered their current rouge black sheep writer) he was struck by the music coming out of a famous Italian architects villa (I had subscribed to Stereophile in the past, for 1 or 2 years but too much writing, while entertaining, deserving of the billboard sized yellow button - well my daughter was selling magazines for Girl Scouts and it was cheap...) God forbid that a speaker sound like music (my goal, but not so sure about the high-end audiphile types....) Getting excited about hi-fi again and then I get to hang out with the engineer types and demos of speakers where the goal has always been to sound like music or the spoken word... and only an hour away. Too much fun to pass up. Sorry for the rambling. I need to stay out of things like the forum when I've stayed up a LOT later than I SHOULD once a night owl, always a night owl Ben

aauugghh - my spelling really goes down the tubes as well (is there a spell check option for forum posts?)

I almost suggested to just invite the gang over during the Pilgrimage but didn't for the following reasons: I'm thinking building things is too much fun to pass up, but this Pilgrimage stuff also sounds too much funhmmm, a bit selfish maybe as I'm only planning on being there Saturday (yes, I'm planning on coming but probably when the Saturday schedule starts at 9:00 AM, then leave around noon and return after my daughter's 1:00 PM? soccer game - sorry but the kids take precedence over my fun - for now) probably a lot of excellent and willing help - but kind of takes time away from the Pilgramage activities - but could make the build party part of the Pilgrimage - maybe could convince Colter to relocate his Mountain of Klipsch (maybe I should trademark Mountina of Klipsch or offer it to Colter as I have no Mountain of Klipsch) - It seems a Mountain of Klipsch might be able to drown out power tools (maybe not a good idea ... hearing damage, might be a little too dangerous to operate power tools without being able to hear them - and your neighbors might not be as enthusiastic about high decibel music reproduction as the Klipsch faithful - but there's a lot of manual assembly type tasks to do also) potential liability issues - somebody gets hurt on your property you could be liable - insurance companies are probably very good at finding loopholes to avoid paying for such accidents - maybe some short term liabiltiy insurance would be in order - a homeowner, in theory the homeowners insurance company, can be sued if a worker for a contractor hired to work on one's house gets hurt - make sure any contractors have workmen's comp insurance - many don't as it's expensive - I doubt that any of the Pilgrimage attendees would want to sue you and doubt that they'd be careless (hide the brew until the jobs done, just in case) , but if they would get hurt they may have to if their insurance company won't pay or their insurance company may sue the homeowner to avoid paying I would say come up to Kokomo and see our play set (not as nice as the one you've bought) but the lumber is still piled up in the corner of our garage (hauled from Columbus IN to Bolingbrook IL approximately 14 years ago - didn't put it up then as already planning to move - didn't get it put up when moved to Kokomo IN back in 1994. The house we bought had a climber with a single swing - a variation for the hardware kit - I did buy the swinging bridge hardware kit and planned to connect the two and I think even cut all the lumber to size a few years ago. I also bought the hardware for a teeter totter and actually completed it, and then restacked everything into the corner of the garage where it still sits. The existing climber of pressure treated wood would give you an idea of what yours may look like in a few years without water protection - and it is probably from the old arsenic pressure treated word that probably worked better than the newer "safer" treatment. We do have a swing we bought ready made of kiln dried pressure treated Southern Yellow Pine (I think that was the claim and SYP seems to be common for PT in these parts). We treated it with some Thompson's Honey tinted word treatment, probably a little thick achieving a nice looking brown as opposed a more honey tint. We did that after sitting outside a couple of years, a little late as it had already started to shell and split and crack somewhat. Being kiln dried, before pressure treating they claimed, has the advantage that it was dry and ready for the wood treatment when we got it - most if not all pressure treated wood one buys is WET and will need to dry somewhat before it will accept treatment. And do use it soon as it will warp and twist in ways one would not imagine (especially if you leave it out and exposed to the elements like I've done for lumber for our Deckzilla project that's actually in progress - I didn't know lumber could warp and twist in the ways some of that has (DUH, stacked in the yard and only covered about 1/2 the winters much less the rest of the time.... One last suggestion, if you're budget can stomach it, buy some of the composite wood decking. We've been using Ultra Deck from Menard's on Deckzilla and it seems pretty stable after the same exposure. I think when I priced it a few years ago, the Ultra Deck wasn't too much more than Cedar decking and maybe comparable. The hollow goes for about $1.19 a foot for 5-1/4" wide and may still go on sale occasionally for $0.99 a foot which is what I think we paid for it. One not of caution though - I've found that the solid Ultra Deck (naturally a bit more expensive) that I have is thinner than the hollow though I think they started out the same (need to find my receipt as I think it has at least a 10 year warrenty and I stil have 2 to 3 years left). And definitely wear dusk masks and gloves when handling any pressure treated lumber. sorry for the rambling, I get this way when I stay up later than I should

Personally I would get pressure treated. The chemicals used today aren't as potentially dangerous as the old arsenic pressure treated lumber. Cosmetically, I'd much rather have cedar but pressure treated doesn't look too bad and can always tint using a tinted wood sealer. Cedar might require less maintenance than pressure treated if you don't mind the weathered grey color but I suspect you'll still want to protect it from water which you really need to do with pressure treated. Pressure treated lumber will warp and split something terrible if not protected from water - Cedar might be more water resistant. You will need to add a water protectent such as Thompson's wood sealer to pressure treated lumber after it's had a chance to dry out or you'll be disappointed in a couple of years. The Thompson's wood sealer is availble with tints, such as honey, which give a nice golden brown appearance. Another option, if offered, is to use composite wood decking for the decking portion as it requires very little maintenance but you'll still need to hose it off occasionally and protect the structure. Good luck. Ben

Chuck, I may have to do that sometime... I'm pretty new to BBQ but evn just throwing a pork loin on the smoker with doing very little to it is soooooo good, I really need to learn how to do it right. Ben

Awesome, fascinating collection of ads and stuff....

Gentlemen, I came across this thread searching for hot/cold outdoor frostproof faucets. I had seen the single handled Moen but it is not readily available. One of the local big box home centers does stock the horizontal Woodford model so that's what I went with... it even came with threads soldered on the inside while the Moen model I found just had bare copper tubing somewhat close together. Now I've just got to drill a couple of holes through the outer crawl space wall and get into my crawl space and get it installed. I hadn't been to the Klipsch website in some time and this time around signed up for the forum as it seems like too much fun. And living only about an hour away from the Klipsch headquarters in Indy, I might be able to make the pilgramage. So besides the info about hot/cold outdoor faucets, thanks for bring me to the Klipsch forum... Ben S

The idea of Roy and Jim Hunter and others talking sounds like a lot of fun... including answering some technical questions. Some reminiscing and talk about PWK would also be a lot of fun... I too would agree not to overload the Klipsch people too much as it should be as much fun for them as for the devotees and fans

So, if we don't want to come for the weekend, can we just show up Saturday morning? Sounds like too much fun if I can make it...

Given these choices, I'd go with the MCM Grand THX, Jub's, Cornwall III MCM Grand THX - way too big for my small house, but in the home theater of my dreams.... and awesome outdoor party speakers with a lot of effort to move 'em outside Jub's - also way too big for my small house, but maybe a little easier to move to the patio Cornwall III - Might actually fit in my small home - and still awesome patio speakers relatively easy to move for neighborhood parties I'd also be happy with Quintet III and Promdia 2.0 if you're giving them away [H] But if I'm dreaming, let's really get the legendary Klipsch sound Please sign me up if you do have a drawing