Youthman
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Yeah, I might be the one saying that but I do realize it doesn't have a magnet or speaker terminals. It moves based on the pressure created from the Active Driver.
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I guess it just depends on what frequencies they are playing. I'm not certain what is considered as mid-bass.
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2 minutes ago, Frzninvt said:
Bass that you can truly feel, the La Scala's provide enough mid-bass punch.
Unfortunately, not in my theater room. The LaScalas have very little bottom end without a sub. They might do much better in my living room with hard wood floors. The bass they do produce is clean though.
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5 minutes ago, bkevind said:
One thing to consider here, which you probably know already - a passive radiator sort of does the same job as a port.
Actually, I learned this after posting the video. I always thought the RSW-15 was considered a sealed sub but others have informed me that it's more like a ported. Learn something new every day.
7 minutes ago, bkevind said:The RSW-15 is NOT a dual driver sub. It has a single 15" active driver, with a passive radiator.
That I did know. The Active is in the back connected to the amp, the passive is in the front.
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SVS also said, "As you probably know, your subs have a passive radiator instead of ports but they work in a similar manner – they augment deep bass output at/near the tuning frequency of the passive radiator. So it’s understandable the SB16U would have less output in the 20-35 Hz bandwidth. Above 35 Hz it would be close. "
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2 hours ago, CECAA850 said:
You're comparing 2 sealed subs to 2 ported, correct?
I believe so. I always thought the RSW-15's were considered a sealed sub but am now finding out from others that it's technically considered a ported sub because of the radiator even though it doesn't have a "hole" or a "port".
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7 minutes ago, willland said:
I thought about that after I posted. You basically had the same results with your RSW15 vs HGS15.
Yes, I got as much "slam" from a single RSW-15 as I did Dual Velodyne HGS15's so I sold the Velos.
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2 hours ago, CECAA850 said:
Is there a Cliff notes version somewhere? I can't watch a 13 minute video here at work
@CECAA850, here ya go.
Invited a friend over to help me move the heavy subs around for testing.Gave him a demo of my current setup LaScalas with (4) RSW-15's. Then we turned off the top two subs and demoed Dual RSW-15's.
Removed the right pair of RSW-15's from behind the screen and replaced it with 1 SVS SB-16. I turned off the top left RSW-15 so that we could demo 1 RSW-15 against 1 SVS SB-16.
Used SPL Meter to match levels on all speakers. RSW-15 was at 0dB in my Onkyo, had to increase the level to +8dB for the SB-16 to match the rest of the speakers.
We used the Train Wreck Scene in Super8 for each demo.
We didn't feel the SVS as much in the demo as the RSW-15. We both swapped seats and moved around the room to see if sub location might have been the cause. It wasn't.
Then we removed the other two RSW-15 and replaced them with the other SB-16. Playing both SB-16's, we still didn't feel it as much as we felt with Dual RSW-15's.
It wasn't scientific, it wasn't a "controlled test", no measurements were taken. We just noticed in that particular scene, the SVS didn't pressurize the room as the RSW-15.
The other thing we noticed is during the scene, there was a certain part that the SVS didn't sound "good". It was "floppy" sounding. It wasn't bottoming out or over excursion, it just didn't sound clean. It was very similar to the sound I heard from them during the beginning of Edge of Tomorrow. It's was a certain frequency that just didn't sound good in both demos.With that said, I still think the SB-16 are amazing subs. Lots of slam, they look gorgeous in piano black and I has a ton of advanced controls via the App.
Kyle and I were both rooting for the SB-16 since he owns the PB-13 and PB-16 and if they were an upgrade to my 4 RSW-15's, I was willing to sell them to help to put towards the purchase of the Dual SB-16's.
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6 hours ago, willland said:
As great a sub as the RSW15 is, there had to be "something" you guys missed that "prevented" the SB16 from at least matching the RSW in output/slam.
Kyle and I both thought the same thing but couldn't think of anything. Same location, same level match as rest of speakers, same seating location, same electronics, same crossover settings, same demo material. Not sure what else we could have done. It sounded great, we just felt the RSW-15 during the 1 vs 1 demo and the same with the dual vs dual demo. We weren't listening for accuracy, or how deep they went, we just both did not feel the same pressure in the chest like we experienced with the SVS.
SVS sent me an email stating he "wasn't completely surprised" at our results and that "in hindsight, because the Klipsch’s are a bass reflex design, the ported PB16-Ultras would have been the more fair comparison, even at the risk of moving the screen. That was my bad."
I originally requested the PB-16's but he felt since I've always had sealed subs, (Velodyne HGS15) and I wanted to put them behind the screen, the SB-16's would be the best choice.
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6 minutes ago, ACV92 said:
Youthman, and others will skewer me for saying so
Not me...I haven't done the sub crawl myself. LOL I know where my subs can go. Not much physical room in my theater.
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Google Sub Crawl
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LOL.
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Depends on if you want / need 4K. I haven't researched pricing lately but I'm guessing native 4K projectors are still pretty pricey. Maybe I'm wrong as electronics tend to drop like a rock in value.
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5 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:
I haven't watched the video yet, but believe what you are saying is true.
I have no personal knowledge if this is true...that is just my opinion based on my own personal assumptions. I'll check with Klipsch to see if they would be interested in sending me one to compare to the RSW-15.
11 minutes ago, wvu80 said:You don't know that...yet.
You are correct...I have not heard the R-115SW yet. Let me go back and bold and italicize think.
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40 minutes ago, dtr20 said:
You should try to work your magic with klipsch and get them to send you as pair of r-115sw subs for you to review with the rf7 III and for you to put them up against the rsw15
That's a good idea, especially since I have not heard them yet. I have not yet heard the R-115SW but I don't think the R-115SW is on the same level as the RSW-15. Dual 15's, larger amp, not to mention $900 MSRP vs $1800 MSRP. Still might be fun though.
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Here is a screenshot of the ad.
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Might be a good option for him - https://www.facebook.com/groups/hometheaterenthusiasts/permalink/1679507188752379/?sale_post_id=1679507188752379
I have the AE8000u and love it.
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I finally had the opportunity to compare my Klipsch RSW-15's with the SVS SB-16 Ultra subs. Both subs sound fantastic but one stood out above the other
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If you are looking at Klipsch subs, see if you can find and demo the older RSW-15. It definitely hits pretty hard. Ported though would give you much more slam.
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If you need help with your photos, email them to mike@soleproductions.com and I'll get them added to your original post.
Michael
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Dual subs looks awesome!
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Those look pretty cool in black. Love the grills too. Good luck with your sale.
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Good tip Dean!
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So at least we both are in an agreement the receiver would not be the best option?
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Klipsch RSW-15 vs SVS SB-16
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On left I had 2 RSW-15, on right I had 1 SVS. Turned top left RSW-15 off so it was 1 vs 1. We did not switch sides of the subs.
Then we removed the 2 RSW-15 from the left side and replaced it with the other SVS so now we have 1 SVS on left and 1 on right which would have been the same locations as the Dual RSW-15 that we tested. I can upload a photo when I get home of the Dual SVS in place behind the screen.