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Yep, I'm going! First time ever as well!

---------------- On 8/23/2003 5:59:25 PM Krillian Hex wrote: Of course, the bass is not meant to be heard, its meant to be felt. Yeah 1 sws is good, 2 is even better, but more is the best because in an average size room, the bass will be felt with extraordinary impact and no need to stress out the sub array by bringing up the sub volume, causing massive port noise. Im sure you can understand the reasoning behind that. Also, I have the 5.1 system connected to an audigy 2 card with 2 sws subs. Its great, but i know it could be better without stressing the sub so much. ---------------- I disagree, if you took away all of the frequencies from a recording that are considered "bass" (20-120Hz) that you can hear and left everything else (20Hz) and below, it'd sound like crap. Certain bass frequencies should be heard otherwise music would sound like crap.

---------------- On 7/18/2003 7:38:18 AM blake_mooney wrote: why the hell would you need more bass then a duel 8" sub and 1 SWS sub??? no offense but are you people deaf??? have you ever heard a DVD with the pro media 5.1's and an audigy 2 in an average size room??? ---------------- I have the Infinity EntraTwo 12" woofer with my Klipsch 4.1's and I could use some more bass ;-) I listen to a lot of rap and drum & bass music, so the more bass, the better :-) Real audiophiles don't like a lot of bass, they like accurate music reproduction. Having bass to the point of hardly being able to hear the mids and highs is not accurate music reproduction, but I sure as hell enjoy it.

I spent ~$14 bucks on some 16 guage and gold plated mini connectors from radio shack and did the whole operation myself. Not only does it look a lot nicer, but it did improve the quality of sound. I'm no audiophile and I don't have a trained ear or anything, but I did notice a difference. $14 bucks worth...maybe. I certainly wouldn't have spent $60 plus though to achieve the same effect.

On my first V2-400 System, whenever I touched the volume control knob the speakers made an awful crackling noise. I had that system for about 9 months before the amp blew and got a replacement. My next V2-400 system was fine, but again the amp blew after about 4 months. Currently, I'm on my current set of the newer 4.1's with the on/off switch and headphone jack. They've been working fine but in the past 4 months or so have started to make a slight crackling sound when adjusting the volume. It doesn't bother me that much because I've had these for about 2 years I'd guess and I'll be upgrading to the ultras.

Just get winamp 2...no spyware that I know of. Winamp.com -- click on the upper right hand corner to go to the winamp 2 download area. Try it, demo it out, and if you like it, keep it. If not, ditch it. You decide buster.

Ouch...I feel for you man.

I have my software settings set at 100 for everything. Sounds perfectly fine to me. I'm using a GTXP. Brian

MD -- Because you have such a small room and the 4.1 sub you have already is almost too much bass (for you), the infinity would be ridiculous! The only time I can really turn mine on is when there is no one else home, otherwise I get yelled at by 3 different people. However, if you really really like bass, then this is the thing to get. If you like rap/drum & bass type stuff, then it's essential to atleast get some sort of additional subwoofer.

I have the same sub as Pinipig. You can get it at CircuitCity right now on clearence for $284, that's the cheapest anywhere. It hits a hell of a lot lower and louder than the 4.1, 5.1, or SWS subwoofer. This things gotta be atleast 5 times louder than my 4.1 sub.

There's so much bass with both on at the same time that my monitor starts to shake and text becomes blurry. Brian

Noticeably? Heh heh heh. It's friggen ridiculous! It's like 10 times louder than before. If I turn the infinity up all the way, or really close to all the way it over powers the sats even if the sats are turned up half way (wicked loud). Everything in my room rattles, lol I love it! Brian

Dude, we're not even talking about you anymore. I was asking him how he was able to increase his output so much just by relocating his subwoofer. This isn't even about you.

Cool, I'd be interested in seeing that. I also placed my Infinity Entra Two 12" sub in the corner of my room and saw a dramatic increase in output. It's front firing, so the rear port is facing one of the walls, it sounds fantastic! Brian

InnovaZero, the post about decibel levels was directed towards MD1032. Brian

I never argued with you in this thread that 2/3rds volume on the sub isn't enough for you. I even supported your argument saying that the 4.1's sub was more than ample for most people. Then, you started getting all sarcastic and defensive on us for no reason. No one wants stuff like "OK, first of all, shut the **** up," to be posted on these boards.

I wasn't gonna post to shut you down, but your sarcasm about the decibel increase really irked me. A 3-6dB increase is tremendous, do you even know what a decibel is!? Read all about it right here: http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0835810.html Or, if you're too lazy to go there, I'll just take the most important part out of that source for you: "Noise intensity is measured in decibel units. The decibel scale is logarithmic; each 10-decibel increase represents a tenfold increase in noise intensity. Human perception of loudness also conforms to a logarithmic scale; a 10-decibel increase is perceived as roughly a doubling of loudness. Thus, 30 decibels is 10 times more intense than 20 decibels and sounds twice as loud; 40 decibels is 100 times more intense than 20 and sounds 4 times as loud; 80 decibels is 1 million times more intense than 20 and sounds 64 times as loud. Distance diminishes the effective decibel level reaching the ear." K thanks. Brian

Realistically, the 4.1 Sub is more than enough for most people. Music isn't meant to be heard with tons and tons of bass, you shouldn't even need to turn up your 4.1 sub more than half way depending on how it's positioned. However, if you're like me and really like bass, then more is always better :-). For a multimedia system, it's an awesome sub.

I think downfiring subs don't work too well with carpeted floors.

Lol, you call yourself a "bass hound" and you cringe when you turn the dial past 1/3rd...that's pretty weak. That's like my mom's listening level. IMO you can never have too much bass, but then again I'm a teenage boy =) I'm going to try and get out today to get the sub that pinipig has, he's convinced me! It just has to meet the PAF (Parental Approval Factor).

You're starting to convince me. Would I just connect an RCA cable from my GTXP to the KSW? Brian

I think I'll end up getting two SWS for a couple of reason: -It's only $300 total at BestBuy. -They're built for MultiMedia systems, and will inegrate flawlessly with my ProMedia's. If I were comparing a $150 KSW-10 to a $150 SWS, then I'd get the SWS. But why not get two SWS's and save $100 bucks. I've heard that the KSW-10 is weak anyways. Brian

I was there this afternoon, unfortunately I didn't check the website first :-( Funny how they raise the price on their own store and allow bestbuy to sell it 50 dollars cheaper. Brian

Try and buy the SWS online, you'll notice that they're now $50 more expensive. Justin, when I was as BestBuy last week, all they had was the GMX 5.1. I'll check today for the SWS, thanks for the tip. Brian

Has anyone else noticed that the price on the SWS has jumped from $149.99 to $199.99? I'm freaking out right now because I was about to buy two of them, and there's no way I'm spending an additional $100 bucks when I could have gotten them at the original price two days ago! Brian